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ITB Clipper/Limiter similar to clipping an Analog to Digital Converter ?

Can you suggest a limiter/clipper - in the box - that is similar to clipping an A-D Converter like the infamous Lavry Gold and it's +6dB soft saturation process ?
Old 1 week ago
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For a Lavry-esque sound, I use Stillwell Event Horizon, with the Soft Clip knob at around 10 o'clock.

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Old 1 week ago
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Also very interested in this. I was trying SIR Standard Clip the other day using the Soft Clip Pro algorithm and it was able to shave a db off without any audible trade-offs, but does it behave comparably to clipping analog converters?
Old 1 week ago
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I love the standard clip - it can be either subtle or aggressive

I love the soft clip on heavy drum and synth busses etc

The hard clip setting is great for mix bus to shave a few dbs pre-limiting

Can’t comment on how it compares to hardware - but I wouldn’t be without it.
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DMG Limitless has a section for this.

I've never found any use for it, I prefer Ozone's "Clipping" mode for incredibly fast chopping off as it works really well with snappy snares and kick drums and retains some control of the time constants.

I tried clipping my old Prism AD1 Dream fresh from being serviced by Prism but it sounded like...


... clipping.
Old 3 days ago
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I have multiple different analog clippers here including converters that clip really well.
Tried a bunch of the ones mentioned.

Nothing ITB reminded me of any of them. Not even close.
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I have multiple different analog clippers here including converters that clip really well.
Tried a bunch of the ones mentioned.

Nothing ITB reminded me of any of them. Not even close.
That’s my feeling too.
Old 3 days ago
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I have multiple different analog clippers here including converters that clip really well.
Tried a bunch of the ones mentioned.

Nothing ITB reminded me of any of them. Not even close.
Can you tell us your favorites from convertors list? I clip my Apogee Rosetta 200 and it can handle few db's without total breakdown. Any RME i've tired can't handle even 1db for example.
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I do sometimes wonder if those attempting to replicate the sound of high end A/D clipping ITB have ever actually heard what sounds like. Beyond vaguely knowing that it has been used on an unknown number of successful records, I mean.

Bear in mind that when MEs first started doing this they were being asked to produce insanely loud masters without access to 2020's array of extremely transparent, tweakable brickwall limiters. If Limitless, Pro-L2, Ozone, Limiter6 etc had all been around in the mid 90s do we really think A/D clipping would have become such a big thing?

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I do sometimes wonder if those attempting to replicate the sound of high end A/D clipping ITB have ever actually heard what it even sounds like. Beyond vaguely knowing that it has been used on an unknown number of successful records, I mean.

Bear in mind that when MEs first started doing this they were being asked to produce insanely loud masters without access to the year 2020's array of extremely transparent, tweakable brickwall limiters. If Limitless, Pro-L2, Ozone, Limiter6 etc had all been around in the mid 90s do we really think A/D clipping would have become such a big thing?
Yes, it's just another tool.
Old 2 days ago
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Can you suggest a limiter/clipper - in the box - that is similar to clipping an A-D Converter like the infamous Lavry Gold and it's +6dB soft saturation process ?
I've never worked with the Gold's but excluding any saturation or soft-clip functions, the high end converters I've worked with just sound clean. The analogue stages have plenty of headroom so what clips is the modulator. So pretty much the equivalent of oversampled hard digital clipping.

SIR Audio Standard Clip with high oversampling gives similar results.

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I've never worked with the Gold's but excluding any saturation or soft-clip functions, the high end converters I've worked with just sound clean. The analogue stages have plenty of headroom so what clips is the modulator. So pretty much the equivalent of oversampled hard digital clipping.

SIR Audio Standard Clip with high oversampling gives similar results.

Alistair
To me the results are really different still. SIR with high oversampling is very linear phase sounding and really changes the top end. Clipping converters (for instance the Forssells) sounds nothing like this. Its way more open and faster sounding.
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Try Voxengo OCV128 https://www.voxengo.com/product/ovc128/
I use it before limiter now.
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Can you suggest a limiter/clipper - in the box - that is similar to clipping an A-D Converter like the infamous Lavry Gold and it's +6dB soft saturation process ?
That soft "saturation" was more about linear digital gain below -6 or -3dBFS only and a high headroom analogue stage clipping at 0dBFS, rather than "saturation" in the way that many people expect it now with added variable harmonics.
Some software compressors can be set up with a soft knee gain response curve to mimic this with zero attack, resulting in, basically, upwards compression.
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Would love to hear some comparisons between hardware (eg. Lavry) and Voxengo's OVC-128 plugin.
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Would love to hear some comparisons between hardware (eg. Lavry) and Voxengo's OVC-128 plugin.
PM me a sample, I'll do it
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