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Old 6 days ago
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Need Really Help ! LUFS and Loudness...

Hi Fam,

I finished my melodic progressive house track, the mixing sounds good to my ears, however, I am always comparing with my reference track with level meters, even the values are similar I can not get that commercial sound from my track...

Lufs, crest factor and even the spectrum looks almost the same. So can someone please tell me the truth behind the mastering (loudness) (I watched probably every tutorial on youtube)

Also I did mixing for every channel in a good way (EQ, gain staging, saturation, compressing)

1. When I listen my track, the mixing sounds okay for me but I can not get the same loudness level even the values are the same, why is that ? (But I am close to it, there is no huge difference)

2. Why I can not get the final commercial sound like in the reference track ? I am so close but any suggestions will be amazing ! What is your secret ?

3. I believe the tutorials which I paid and watched tons of tutorials on Youtube are not saying the truth behind the mastering, do you agree, what is the golden information/technique to do a good mastering (or in the mixing stage to achieve that bright/shiny commercial sound in general, overall of the track)

I attached the pictures of the loudest part of the tracks.
Thanks in advance ! Looking forward to read your opinions.
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Old 6 days ago
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Check out this thread: How do people make these slammed masters with the low end not messed up?

Especially post #41 !
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Well tons of good posts in this thread ! I am reading now, thank you !
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Don't you love the help you get around here? My advice is to give LANDR a try.
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Originally Posted by SinanYuksek View Post
Hi Fam,

I finished my melodic progressive house track, the mixing sounds good to my ears, however, I am always comparing with my reference track with level meters, even the values are similar I can not get that commercial sound from my track...

Lufs, crest factor and even the spectrum looks almost the same. So can someone please tell me the truth behind the mastering (loudness) (I watched probably every tutorial on youtube)

Also I did mixing for every channel in a good way (EQ, gain staging, saturation, compressing)

1. When I listen my track, the mixing sounds okay for me but I can not get the same loudness level even the values are the same, why is that ? (But I am close to it, there is no huge difference)

2. Why I can not get the final commercial sound like in the reference track ? I am so close but any suggestions will be amazing ! What is your secret ?

3. I believe the tutorials which I paid and watched tons of tutorials on Youtube are not saying the truth behind the mastering, do you agree, what is the golden information/technique to do a good mastering (or in the mixing stage to achieve that bright/shiny commercial sound in general, overall of the track)

I attached the pictures of the loudest part of the tracks.
Thanks in advance ! Looking forward to read your opinions.
pretty much the same when measuring fr, leq, lufs, thd etc.: a measurement is just a pic from a particular angle and cannot show it all/there are theoretical (and practical) limits what information a measurment can provide.

unless i have to comply with specific rules, i tend not to base my descisions on measurements but try to make things sound the best possible way i can; some will measure fine, other will not.

some glorious sound measures pretty bad/terrible sound amazingly well! reasons are often the arrangement, instrumentation and interpretation, all of which cannot get changed by technical means or one would do more harm than good by trying to make things 'measure' well... - and then there's taste!
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Don’t look at pretty pictures or numbers... this is where your ears and many, many, many years of training come into play.

No one becomes a surgeon overnight... nor do you become a mastering engineer overnight. 10 years, is about what it takes IMHO... and that’s doing it day in and day out.

In my day (old man speech here), you had to learn every aspect of being an audio engineer before you could even think of becoming a mastering engineer. Your contemporaries were never going to hire you unless you could supply results they couldn’t achieve themselves.

This year alone I’ve had more clients come back to Silvertone because they got tired of trying to figure it out themselves. Some have stopped recording themselves all together.

I tell clients you can only be great at so many things... so are you a guitar player or an engineer are you a song writer of mastering engineer. Etc... just because a person can play or sing it doesn’t automatically make them a recording engineer.


Of course everyone today is told they can do it themselves. While that may be possible for some for most just the opposite will be true. What’s wrong with a group effort? I tell all my clients that I am grateful for them making me part of the team... and I truly am. I feel privileged every time someone hires me.

There is no magic involved, not one is hiding secrets... it’s all about skill level, which ALWAYS takes time to develop... and some people will never develop it no matter how bad they want it.

That’s life!
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