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Quality stereo widening

Hello everyone,

Question - I am looking for a quality stereo widening tool.
First - I don't normally go to stereo widening, actually more often narrowing, since I find many mixes to be what I refer to as "sunk in" meaning the center (kick, snare, vocals etc.) to be too far back in the sound stage.
Of course getting that balance good combined with eq on the sides will often solve it. That will more times than not actually sound wider even though it is technically not. You know bla bla bla.
However - sometimes customers do request quite heavy stereo widening (regardless of my opinion). I have found some that do sound quite good like the brainworx masterdesk stereo widening but since I do master analog (maselec, gyratec etc) I do not want to go thru a fake analog stage (like masterdesk) just for the stereo widening. I find many modern plugins like the Ozone stuff to be heavyhanded and artificially sounding. Do any of you have a tip for a good quality widener (that's not just an M/S balance tool)?

Cheers,
A
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Hello everyone,

Question - I am looking for a quality stereo widening tool.
First - I don't normally go to stereo widening, actually more often narrowing, since I find many mixes to be what I refer to as "sunk in" meaning the center (kick, snare, vocals etc.) to be too far back in the sound stage.
Of course getting that balance good combined with eq on the sides will often solve it. That will more times than not actually sound wider even though it is technically not. You know bla bla bla.
However - sometimes customers do request quite heavy stereo widening (regardless of my opinion). I have found some that do sound quite good like the brainworx masterdesk stereo widening but since I do master analog (maselec, gyratec etc) I do not want to go thru a fake analog stage (like masterdesk) just for the stereo widening. I find many modern plugins like the Ozone stuff to be heavyhanded and artificially sounding. Do any of you have a tip for a good quality widener (that's not just an M/S balance tool)?

Cheers,
A
Try, Precision K-Stereo Ambience Recovery (UAD)
Old 2 weeks ago
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Aaaa. Yeah, that's a good idea. Will do! I remember many years ago when it was launched, but I've never tried it or really heard someone talk about it since. Do you use it?
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Aaaa. Yeah, that's a good idea. Will do! I remember many years ago when it was launched, but I've never tried it or really heard someone talk about it since. Do you use it?
Yes, as it is not too invasive....
Old 2 weeks ago
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Good point. ;-)

The trouble sometimes is, some customers don't have their heads in the subtle widening game... So, sometimes not-so-subtle widening is what is needed. But I want the good kind, not the bad kind. ;-) i'll check it out though for sure.
Old 2 weeks ago
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Waves S1...$39. Anything beyond that is a waste of money IMO.
Old 2 weeks ago
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Mathew Lane DrMS. Very intuitive high quality plug-in for widening, narrowing, focusing and more:
https://www.mathewlane.com/downloads/drms/

Or its analog hardware version — OnTheMoon Spacecraft:
https://www.mathewlane.com/spacecraft/
Old 2 weeks ago
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I like SPL Vitalizer stereo width knob on my masters versus side boost, side eq, side multiband compression/expansion. It is nice option and it is a bit different sound because it's using SPL trick (out of phase stereo information mixed back) and you can get really wide without "phasy" artifacts and weak mono sound. Of course sometimes i use different process but this SPL stuff is my favorite for 10 years already.
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Try, Precision K-Stereo Ambience Recovery (UAD)
It's quite bad in my opinion. It's based around delay and you can clearly hear delay artifacts on drums in a track in mid channel especially. Just my own experience with this plug-in. Algorithmix version of this plug-in actually a bit better.
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StereoSavage isn't well known, but it should be IMO.

It has four types of common widening methods, mid-side, modulation, a simple interface, and great sound.

http://www.credland.net/stereosavage/
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Seconded! I was just about to add this one. Great tool!
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try Voxengo MSED and the Stereo Widener, both free...
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In no order

StageOne

Noisebud Leaky2

CenterOne

DMG Multiplicity

Oeksound Spiff (yep)
Old 2 weeks ago
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You may want to check Waves Center

For the record I think that the ozone stereoizer
is probably the best tool across the board.
Old 2 weeks ago
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The Imager in Ozone 9 has a good feature for keeping the low frequencies mono whilst adding width to the others. The lissajous meter is also very useful.
Old 2 weeks ago
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I also forgot ircam flux spat which can manipulate depth and
width in very realistic and hi-def manner.
Old 1 week ago
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If you want more width while remaining mono compatible give this a try: https://www.raisingjakestudios.com/plugins.html

Last edited by Nonlinear; 1 week ago at 12:36 AM..
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i prefer encoding to m/s first and then use whatever tool to affect stereo width (mostly allpass filters) - all hardware here...
Old 1 week ago
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The Knif Eksa is my current favorite method for M/S. I rarely think music needs a full level boost or cut in M/S. If anything maybe it’s just frequency specific, and I’ll be damned if I have ever heard a finer EQ. To date it’s the most satisfying piece of outboard I’ve had or heard, and that applies to getting in and out of M/S also.
Old 1 week ago
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bx_digital V3 at 140% is the ticket
Old 1 week ago
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Infected Mushroom Wider. And it's $Free.99

https://polyversemusic.com/products/wider/
Old 1 week ago
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Soundcraft stereo input modules have those in analog. Full left = mono. Center is stereo. Full right is "wide" using phase cancellation. It does wonders on a Bricasti M7 reverb, makes it wrap around your head. Plus it's analog so no degradation.
Old 1 week ago
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Infected Mushroom Wider. And it's $Free.99

https://polyversemusic.com/products/wider/
This gets a bit flangy the more you push the percentage.
Old 2 days ago
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M/S
Old 1 day ago
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Of course getting that balance good combined with eq on the sides will often solve it. That will more times than not actually sound wider even though it is technically not.
Regular EQ alone will usually be enough, by default. Especially if most stereo / wider cues are in deficient areas of the spectrum (eg: mids, tops).
Old 1 day ago
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Regular EQ alone will usually be enough, by default. Especially if most stereo / wider cues are in deficient areas of the spectrum (eg: mids, tops).
+1

M/S EQ is massively over-used, in my opinion. In most circumstances regular stereo EQ will get the job done just fine, without the weirdness and balances changes that often come with M/S manipulation.
Old 1 day ago
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Yup! M/S processing is to modern production what big reverb was to 80’s production.
Old 12 hours ago
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So now stereo widening plays into fashion as to how it is done? M/S is fine and what I use. We could on and on beating what is essentially a dead horse topic. Wait ...this is GS, ..resume.
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