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my interests in this forum are dwindling and i don't seem to be the only one
Old 1 week ago
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If this forum dies, how will we find the best free plugin to master to -14 LUFS and make a DDP, and why doesn't my CD-Text appear in iTunes, and what expensive thing should I buy instead of treating my room?

Also, do you mono the bass at 100Hz or 200Hz?

That's what many of the mastering forums have turned into now.
Don't forget about clipping the converters!

I'm just too busy these days and can find other things that are more productive of my time. As Thomas said.... the forum was really great about 10yr. ago with lots of knowledge being shared. Seems the tide has shifted and everyone wants the easy way out......
Old 1 week ago
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Hasn’t everyone just moved to the Facebook groups? It’s like Gearslutz all over again on Facebook.
The actual good thing about those two big Mastering Group on Facebook is that everyone display his real name, we're not political activist or discussiong about porn stuff so it's ok (or maybe we are).
This way, it's easier to know who is who.
But they're is still a bunch of people from here missing on fb (I don't blame them)
Old 1 week ago
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Things are not what they were 10 years ago. 10 years ago we still had famous, respected and approachable mastering engineers posting on this forum. They have mostly all left. Chased off by newbies that started fights with them or called them out for "not being with it" or arguing for the sake of arguing.
I was here 10 years ago and most of the pros were chased off by other pros.

A few names spring to mind.

Same thing is starting to happen on the Facebook groups, same people.
Old 1 week ago
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I took about a 2 year break from here and just recently got back on. I had a kid 2 years ago and my studio got super busy, so those 2 basically eliminated any browsing time. But yeah, after working all day in the studio, I don't really feel like discussing it. I'd rather hang with family to recharge for the next day.
Old 1 week ago
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Not an M.E., but love this forum, and deeply respect the pros here. I realize the moderators have lives to live outside of GS, but would it be possible to gently nudge obviously uneducated posters into the Mastering for Beginners sub-forum and improve the S/N ratio on this one?
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The actual good thing about those two big Mastering Group on Facebook is that everyone display his real name, we're not political activist or discussiong about porn stuff so it's ok (or maybe we are).
This way, it's easier to know who is who.
But they're is still a bunch of people from here missing on fb (I don't blame them)
If we talk the same groups, I tried it and found it even more worse than here. I also cant see a place for a real mastering discussion plattform on fb; no archive, no search function. A very short life discussion culture, which is so typical for social media. Healthy discussion last a few hours only in most cases, then ppl seem to loose interest. If youre too late youre out.
It mightbe a good place for some chatting here and there, but nothing from long time substance. Posting with real names is an advantage, for sure.
But all in all to most fb is just a cheap way for advertising and to me no proper way for sharing/receiving knowledge. Spending more than a few minutes there just makes me annoyed, because ppl think it mightbe super intetesting to post their privates in public. I have hard times finding those few proper posts within that bunch of narcistic flaunts. A waste of time. Man, socialmedia really let me doubt in human intelligence sometimes... At leadt its not a culture I want to be part of, so I try to stay away as far as possible (but without wrecking my business too much, which might be too late still....)
Old 1 week ago
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I was here 10 years ago and most of the pros were chased off by other pros.

A few names spring to mind.

Same thing is starting to happen on the Facebook groups, same people.
This.

Lets not pile all the blame on the newbies and "nobodies". That doesn't serve history right.
Old 1 week ago
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Hi teebaum,

i understand you, totally. Although it seems that i am new here, i am reading since many years. Hey, i "know" you from the german keyboard forum....man, that´s ..20 years ago or so?

For me it is absolutley mysterious how you (and also all you other pros) find time and energy, to give so much and detailed advice! You helped me a lot. Tme to say thank you!

Best,
Michael from berlin
Old 1 week ago
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It does seem like many posts that should be in the beginners forum end up here which is a shame.
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If this forum dies, how will we find the best free plugin to master to -14 LUFS and make a DDP, and why doesn't my CD-Text appear in iTunes, and what expensive thing should I buy instead of treating my room?

Also, do you mono the bass at 100Hz or 200Hz?

That's what many of the mastering forums have turned into now.
plot twist it's 150Hz
Old 1 week ago
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Hasn’t everyone just moved to the Facebook groups? It’s like Gearslutz all over again on Facebook.
This is the actual reason IMHO.

Real time dither war. Get involved.
Old 1 week ago
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If we talk the same groups, I tried it and found it even more worse than here. I also cant see a place for a real mastering discussion plattform on fb; no archive, no search function. A very short life discussion culture, which is so typical for social media. Healthy discussion last a few hours only in most cases, then ppl seem to loose interest. If youre too late youre out.
Couldn't agree more with this, basically sums up what I think about "social" media. "If you're too late you're out". The Macdonalds of discussion and relationship.
Old 1 week ago
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If we talk the same groups, I tried it and found it even more worse than here. I also cant see a place for a real mastering discussion plattform on fb; no archive, no search function. A very short life discussion culture, which is so typical for social media. Healthy discussion last a few hours only in most cases, then ppl seem to loose interest. If youre too late youre out.
It mightbe a good place for some chatting here and there, but nothing from long time substance. Posting with real names is an advantage, for sure.
But all in all to most fb is just a cheap way for advertising and to me no proper way for sharing/receiving knowledge. Spending more than a few minutes there just makes me annoyed, because ppl think it mightbe super intetesting to post their privates in public. I have hard times finding those few proper posts within that bunch of narcistic flaunts. A waste of time. Man, socialmedia really let me doubt in human intelligence sometimes... At leadt its not a culture I want to be part of, so I try to stay away as far as possible (but without wrecking my business too much, which might be too late still....)
I understand, it's something different.
You eat the feed or you miss it.

Maybe it's time to move to Instagram
Old 1 week ago
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Maybe it's time to move to Instagram
Ok. We should share some recipes for pizza then.
Old 1 week ago
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I well remember some person attempting a couple of years ago to be rude to Chris Athens with no inkling as to who he was, and getting royally rocketed - one of the lighter moments here

Dunning-Kruger is on display in this forum from time to time, people who don't know the extent of what they don't know - not unlike myself before the turn of the century! While everyone has to start somewhere and deserves a certain amount of leeway, there have been times when the only answer I could give has been 'carry on mastering for another ten years and you'll truly understand that' - while not my intention to be dismissive or flippant but give a genuine response, saying that a while back on another forum made one beginner who wanted instant answers very angry with me.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
And I thought that Dunning-Kruger was a new equalizer <GRIN>

On the serious side the article was a good read and may explain the old adage my mentor told me a long time ago "you have to know what you don't know before you can know/ask how to fix it".

Thanks for the heads up.
Old 1 week ago
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One mastering forum is all but dead. Almost no one posts there https://repforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php?board=30.0 Another mastering web board has seen multiple days go by with no one posting https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/prorecordingworkshop/ Either people are so busy they don't have time to post or they are losing interest or they have moved on to somewhere else. Times change and people's priorities change as well. FWIW
Old 1 week ago
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We need more moderators. There should always be moderators online and participating in discussion/seeing with their own eyes what needs to be fixed, and covering each others backs. Many forums work that way, and the community feeling it creates, especially as other members part up with the mods, is usually great.

So GS should invite more longtime members that regularly participate positively to join the moderator squad. We need a small army. (and of course, a zero tolerance for disrespectful behaviour and other bull****)
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Ok. We should share some recipes for pizza then.
Better, you should come to visit me and then we'll have pizza.

On IG, people are way more responding when I post about pizza than any kind of gear, room, release....
Old 1 week ago
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One mastering forum is all but dead. Almost no one posts there https://repforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php?board=30.0 Another mastering web board has seen multiple days go by with no one posting https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/prorecordingworkshop/ Either people are so busy they don't have time to post or they are losing interest or they have moved on to somewhere else. Times change and people's priorities change as well. FWIW
The Tapatalk forum with Terry Manning & DC is still a great one,

although the old pros are less likely to get frothy about a new plug-in

unless it's the new Weiss...

Cheers, JT

p.s. oh yeah, fwiw i still enjoy GS, lots of good & current information here.
Old 1 week ago
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There does seem to be more general hostility on Geraslutz than there used to be. I don't post in the section because i know bugger all about mastering, but its not just this section

I came here as a refugee for a few other boards that had become unreadable because of the the rise of the social media political warriors who wanted to proclaim their political principles in all sorts of inappropriate places.

Further, it was not an American dominated board, so it seemed to have a border perspective.

A lot of friction appears to arise from the of the never-ending (and practically useless) variations on the analog /digital debate, and the modern trend in argument that it's no longer OK to just have an opinion, but your opinion has to be PROVEN RIGHT and dissenters have to be ridiculed and crushed.

This sort of discussion is often a discussion of very subtle nuances, and not very suitable to the 'I must win" mentality that seem to have affected everyone in the last 10 years. the nuances get lost.
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It only takes a very few people to mess things up.
Old 1 week ago
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YouTube as well with comments, q&a and live stream
Old 1 week ago
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I lost my nuances when we moved in 2008. After a while it seemed obvious that they weren’t going to show up at the new house. I thought they’d be easy to replace, but they aren’t even on Amazon.
So it’s been broad strokes and bright colors only for more than ten years. I’ve learned to deal with it. But when you talk about nuances, it makes me a little sad.
Go on... I’ll be fine.
Old 1 week ago
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What’s the point.... post a topic or reply and someone will take offense sooner or later and claim it’s controversial. At that point the next move is getting reported and get an automatic infraction by the automated punishment system on gs. Infractions expire, but the 3 strikes and your out could probably happen with only one post. So who cares to post in a situation like this where it’s more important to beat to the chase of reporting instead of growing a knowledge base in the audio world
And yet here you are, posting on this forum.

My understanding is that reports do not generate “automatic” responses. Humans read the reports and decide whether and how to respond. You seem to have a dark and strange understanding of some back room evil machinery working at GS. That isn’t my experience at all. And I’m not without faults in my posts. I do sometimes really p*** some people off.
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Hey girls & boys,

despite the fact that abnormal high number of stupid posts (sorry Mods) is being put into this washing machine and believed it just can wash it all out I still believe that GS is a great place. A place of learning stuff, a place for not being afraid to ask, a place of exchange information on all levels of professionalism. Be that in the very beginning phase, medium or expert it is still respected place on the internet.

Surely I can relate to some of you who are pissed at all sorts of bullies and posts full hate, not understanding, rudeness and such. Sometimes is hard not to return the ball when something gets to your nerves. It really is.

I'm a long time reader but only in late year or two begun posting as I didn't have anything to contribute to a professional discussion. Still not participating and being smart know-it-all if thread is far higher than my capabilities. I can read freely and learn. But I would not engage and spill BS all over. Unfortunately there is no option of closing the door for rudeness and supidity 100%.

Going thru posts where learning and contributing is a mutual thing can really be rewarding. Awkward and rude, noses high, stupid and such are to be igored and that's probably that.

Still loving GS and still learning!

Krešo
Old 1 week ago
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my interests in this forum are dwindling day by day - and i don't seem to be the only one.

many of the engineers i was happy to contribute to seem to be less and less here or at least hardly writing any more.

it seems to be a general phenomenon that forums are losing importance, but i noticed it only in the last months.

is it just my point of view or does it seem similar to you?
the audiophile plague having invaded this forum, you harvest what you have sown, the silence.
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What’s the point.... post a topic or reply and someone will take offense sooner or later and claim it’s controversial. At that point the next move is getting reported and get an automatic infraction by the automated punishment system on gs. Infractions expire, but the 3 strikes and your out could probably happen with only one post. So who cares to post in a situation like this where it’s more important to beat to the chase of reporting instead of growing a knowledge base in the audio world
Dude. It's Gearslutz, not the Hunger Games.
Old 1 week ago
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What do you guys think of adding a “pro mastering” sub forum? Then maybe remove the “mastering for beginners” sub forum. I think that might solve a few of the issues mentioned in this thread.
Old 1 week ago
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I don't think it's necessarily losing importance, but like many things there's an ebb and flow to it. The other social media sites get views, but I don't like those formats. I started using forums (at least forum like software) around 1984-1985. That's the format I like best. Within those years I've had more or less interest at times depending on life, career, etc.

For myself, I read a lot here, but post/reply pretty infrequently. I'm not sure that I've even started a thread myself. I'm thankful for the insight that I get from individuals such as yourself that I wouldn't easily obtain otherwise.
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They were called BBS's and accessed via whopping 300bps modems, then eventually 1200 and 2400bps. I started 'online' around 10-11 years old on my Commodore 64 using local BBS's (aka boards). Ran my own board from around '87-89 (based on Color64 BBS), but only had a handful of users, because I only had a single dedicated phone line.
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