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Old 8th February 2019
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Old 8th February 2019
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Apparently Austin is one of the most Google-ized cities in the nation, they have a huge building here, and due to the exponential growth the traffic is a huge gridlock.
As a result, a zillion people are using google maps for traffic routing in real time, which works amazingly well.
I too have learned to trust it for cross town trips, especially during rush hours which keep growing in duration.
recently GM got me 20 miles across town to a remote studio for an AES meeting in less than 30 minutes, even through construction.
i was -amazed-. would have taken at least a hour if i had been going it alone.
i was driving, which i prefer to do myself, which i’ve been doing since the late 60s, all the nuances of driving are quite delicate, i feel it.
would i trust a self driving car? not really, too many nuances and micro decisions being correlated by my entire body and brain.
GM routing you from point to point is actually an easy task, simple math, but very impressive.
So A.I. assist and enhance.... Okay.
but letting AI drive or (and i quote) “Master” .... Hell No!
far too many aesthetics involved to let a multiband preset butcher it into a BLUNDER.
Cheers, JT
oh yeah p.s. Tens of Thousands... maybe a months gross here, the author is naive & ill informed.
Old 17th May 2019
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Right now, no. In the long run, yes. AI should be able to train itself for all the possible situations that might come up in mastering. I did, most of you have done so I’d imagine, so why couldn’t something with greater intelligence processing than our own brains learn the same thing? Well, guess what... it can and will eventually.
Until AI learns how to distinguish individual instruments in a mix it will never know the difference between - and musical relationship of - frequency content and musical intent. When it learns to be able to tell when a bass guitar is dull and a rhythm guitar is bright in the same mix and knows what to do about it, then maybe. It's not even remotely close to that now. AI is good at knowing what but has no idea about why.

Run a song through AI mastering 10 times. Does it keep getting better?
Old 17th May 2019
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When A.I. can make sense of these two sentences, then i'll start worrying about job security:

#1 : The umbrella wouldn't fit into the suitcase because it was too big.

#2 : The umbrella wouldn't fit into the suitcase because it was too small.
Old 20th May 2019
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Most of you guys forget about the exponential and not linear nature of such developments.

Just one example http://fakejoerogan.com/

..and for anyone seriously interested in the topic of AI, I recommend this interview with Stuart Russell:
https://after-on.com/episodes-31-60/047
Old 20th May 2019
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Nick Herbert, PhD's Elemental Mind https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....4,203,200_.jpg covers the topic of Artificial Intelligence (among other things, including quantum physics). He describes the Turing Test. When you're chatting on a computer with an unseen interlocutor and think it's a human, but it ain't, that's the definition of artificial intelligence - a plausible simulation of human dialogue... If we're befooled, the conversation simulation software's 'intelligent'. If we call it out as a simulation, it's not presenting 'artificial intelligence'. He points out that, strictly scientifically speaking, we don't really know if anyone is not artificial. They may (all) be a convincing, biologicially-alive but mentally-fake simulation of a real person - a cyborg (aka 'skin job'). Furthermore, what we really want to create is artificial 'awareness'. We don't want the robot merely to sound real. We want it to feel (that it's) real. We want it to know that it's conscious for it really to be artificially 'intelligent'. But we don't know if anyone else (any other human, even) is truly aware that he's alive. He says he's aware. But he might have been programmed somehow to tell us that. Also, there's the BioAPI. http://www.dataasylum.com/
This curious website explains that we've all been wired for monitoring and, in many cases, cognitive influence by a quantum supercomputer that uses wifi to signal to battalions of nanobots that are inside everyone (including animals and plants). It claims that microfibers have been dispersed from airplanes. The microfibers are protective sheaths for self-assembling nanobots. We breath in the microfibers without knowing it - since they're so small - and are plentiful - so, unavoidably inhaled - and are always being dispersed. The microfibers break down in our bodies, releasing the nanobot payload. The nanobots are small enough to travel through the blood-brain barrier. They encapsulate neurons and bridge synapses. At least one micro-camera grows in one of our eyes so that the program can see what we see. it can read our thoughts and send data via wifi to the supercomputer running the BioAPI. Also, it has the ability to inject thoughts into ours. We have no way of telling that the thoughts are not our own. So, we act on them. Neat. With this in mind, it's possible that human mastering engineers are AI mastering engineers. (mic drop)
Old 20th May 2019
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With this in mind, it's possible that human mastering engineers are AI mastering engineers. (mic drop)
Now that's the most plausible explanation for the loudness wars I've ever seen.
Old 21st May 2019
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perhaps the answer is to replace ~ all ~ human endeavors with AI.

including humans themselves ...musicians, plumbers, mechanics & massage therapists.

then it would be only robots exchanging data (& metadata) with other robots...

ala SkyNet!

JT

p.s. and dreaming of electric sheep, while wondering if they have souls...
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Old 4 weeks ago
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AI is no more than rebranded ergonomy, plus a hell lot of PR, religion and naive belief.

http://theconversation.com/worried-a...mptions-103561

https://www.joshworth.com/stop-calli...-intelligence/


Computers are really just filing machines. To be accurate, they don't even compute. They move and file stuff.

One needs serious imagination to develop a paranoia in this situation. As said before in this thread. You can see the cutting edge, the best financed, best equipped and consulted A.I. at work every day in your weak, ridiculously mistargetted google, amazon and FB ads. The best they can do is finding out that you looked for a washing machine last week, bombarding you with the same product over and over again, despite the fact that you bought it already, directly from amazon. A pretty dumb and crude mechanism. These are the very very very best in AI today. 50 year old thermostats exhibit more empathy to humans! :D

In no way it is worth wetting pants. The promoted vision of AI vs the real world diverge, to say the least. We already had 3-4 AI hypes over the last 4 decades, all landed in the dust.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Nick Herbert, PhD's Elemental Mind https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....4,203,200_.jpg covers the topic of Artificial Intelligence (among other things, including quantum physics). He describes the Turing Test. When you're chatting on a computer with an unseen interlocutor and think it's a human, but it ain't, that's the definition of artificial intelligence - a plausible simulation of human dialogue... If we're befooled, the conversation simulation software's 'intelligent'. If we call it out as a simulation, it's not presenting 'artificial intelligence'. He points out that, strictly scientifically speaking, we don't really know if anyone is not artificial. They may (all) be a convincing, biologicially-alive but mentally-fake simulation of a real person - a cyborg (aka 'skin job'). Furthermore, what we really want to create is artificial 'awareness'. We don't want the robot merely to sound real. We want it to feel (that it's) real. We want it to know that it's conscious for it really to be artificially 'intelligent'. But we don't know if anyone else (any other human, even) is truly aware that he's alive. He says he's aware. But he might have been programmed somehow to tell us that. Also, there's the BioAPI. http://www.dataasylum.com/
This curious website explains that we've all been wired for monitoring and, in many cases, cognitive influence by a quantum supercomputer that uses wifi to signal to battalions of nanobots that are inside everyone (including animals and plants). It claims that microfibers have been dispersed from airplanes. The microfibers are protective sheaths for self-assembling nanobots. We breath in the microfibers without knowing it - since they're so small - and are plentiful - so, unavoidably inhaled - and are always being dispersed. The microfibers break down in our bodies, releasing the nanobot payload. The nanobots are small enough to travel through the blood-brain barrier. They encapsulate neurons and bridge synapses. At least one micro-camera grows in one of our eyes so that the program can see what we see. it can read our thoughts and send data via wifi to the supercomputer running the BioAPI. Also, it has the ability to inject thoughts into ours. We have no way of telling that the thoughts are not our own. So, we act on them. Neat. With this in mind, it's possible that human mastering engineers are AI mastering engineers. (mic drop)

I know i shouldn't even loose time with this but i just can't resist, so...

- How do nanobots transmit wifi waves that are many times bigger then them?
- Where do the energy for processing and transmitting comes from?
- How would you inject the microfibers in the air without people with respiratory problems like asthma dying straight away?
- How could a micro-camera work to actually film something at that level: i mean, even if you could do a lens that size (you can't) it would only film atoms.
- How could it read toughts if consciouness is not even a thing, but a different model for everyone defined by personal neurological structures shaped by experience?
- Brain processes 400 billion bits a second, has a memory of up to 2.5 petabytes and absorbs at least 34gb info a day (i think these numbers are all on the low end cause don't take into account neurological system like proprioceptive senses and such which could multiply this by a million-fold). How exactly would you transmit this info via wi-fi without anyone ever noticing - don't matter the fact that there's not enough bandwith.

I could go on, i won't. wtf
Old 4 weeks ago
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AI is no more than rebranded ergonomy, plus a hell lot of PR, religion and naive belief.

http://theconversation.com/worried-a...mptions-103561

https://www.joshworth.com/stop-calli...-intelligence/


Computers are really just filing machines. To be accurate, they don't even compute. They move and file stuff.

One needs serious imagination to develop a paranoia in this situation. As said before in this thread. You can see the cutting edge, the best financed, best equipped and consulted A.I. at work every day in your weak, ridiculously mistargetted google, amazon and FB ads. The best they can do is finding out that you looked for a washing machine last week, bombarding you with the same product over and over again, despite the fact that you bought it already, directly from amazon. A pretty dumb and crude mechanism. These are the very very very best in AI today. 50 year old thermostats exhibit more empathy to humans! :D

In no way it is worth wetting pants. The promoted vision of AI vs the real world diverge, to say the least. We already had 3-4 AI hypes over the last 4 decades, all landed in the dust.
It's just like VR or even voice recognition.
We can't even get voice recognition to work in Siri and what not (try any language that isn't english that doesn't have such a large data base and see).
I love people just jump from "Alexa play Dispacito" working to AI is gonna solve everything / kill us all.
Old 4 weeks ago
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perhaps the answer is to replace ~ all ~ human endeavors with AI.

including humans themselves ...musicians, plumbers, mechanics & massage therapists.

then it would be only robots exchanging data (& metadata) with other robots...

ala SkyNet!

JT

p.s. and dreaming of electric sheep, while wondering if they have souls...
if you are making your living doing a repetitive dumb ass job ( I know I am), you will ultimately get replaced by AI/robotics. Its slowly creeping in bit by bit. I dont know where you are but a crap load of parking lots became all non-human maintained. the people that used to collect tickets are gone. then the people that directed the backed up traffic in the morning rush hours went gone. now you just drive right in, park your car and pay via either an app on your phone or at a automated booth.

I dont know about mastering as I am not an expert. but maybe generic mastering for cheap $10 ear buds will be replaved by AI and the specialty high end mastering for hi end high fidelity LPs will be done by humans?
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if you are making your living doing a repetitive dumb ass job ( I know I am), you will ultimately get replaced by AI/robotics. Its slowly creeping in bit by bit. I dont know where you are but a crap load of parking lots became all non-human maintained. the people that used to collect tickets are gone. then the people that directed the backed up traffic in the morning rush hours went gone. now you just drive right in, park your car and pay via either an app on your phone or at a automated booth.

I dont know about mastering as I am not an expert. but maybe generic mastering for cheap $10 ear buds will be replaved by AI and the specialty high end mastering for hi end high fidelity LPs will be done by humans?
i even see it at the local grocery where there are 10 new “AI” checkout kiosks and fewer human checkers. but they need a troubleshooter to solve problems with the kiosk & human confusion. I always go to a real human checker if possible, to help maintain their job importance.

corporate ceo’s & cfo’s that are converting jobs to AI for profit to please shareholders... very disappointing character :-o)

and while “mastering” by robot can certainly get the job done, any artist or producer worth their salt will realize the value of experienced human real mastering.

cheers, jt
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Old 4 weeks ago
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i even see it at the local grocery where there are 10 new “AI” checkout kiosks and fewer human checkers. but they need a troubleshooter to solve problems with the kiosk & human confusion. I always go to a real human checker if possible, to help maintain their job importance.

corporate ceo’s & cfo’s that are converting jobs to AI for profit to please shareholders... very disappointing character :-o)

and while “mastering” by robot can certainly get the job done, any artist or producer worth their salt will realize the value of experienced human real mastering.

cheers, jt
I recall a few years ago when it first started, i also try to mess it up by purposely going to human check out people. but all in vain. i think the automation is slowly creeping in.

if you read up on AI, it makes sense and in some cases is better. Humans make errors as they get tired or antsy and want to go home at end of day. AI does not make any errors and does not go anywhere. Its also a faster at calculation of large amounts of data. Your human brain can only deal with a fraction of the data a computer can and that computer can calculate and analyze that data much much faster than you can.

The key is to ask yourself, are you doing a repetitive and predictable job and how much actual thought process is involved? I guess LANDR is baby steps towards online services in auto mastering for the masses one day.
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It could work if the robots are programmed to clip audio and hit digital zero.
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I recall a few years ago when it first started, i also try to mess it up by purposely going to human check out people. but all in vain. i think the automation is slowly creeping in.

if you read up on AI, it makes sense and in some cases is better. Humans make errors as they get tired or antsy and want to go home at end of day. AI does not make any errors and does not go anywhere. Its also a faster at calculation of large amounts of data. Your human brain can only deal with a fraction of the data a computer can and that computer can calculate and analyze that data much much faster than you can.

The key is to ask yourself, are you doing a repetitive and predictable job and how much actual thought process is involved? I guess LANDR is baby steps towards online services in auto mastering for the masses one day.
My best half is doing that stupid ass job - checking the print quality of some paper molded to the surface of the MDF furniture I am sure we all have. I am also prone to be substituted by an AI bot with software GUI and workflow description.
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Creative mastering is enhancing whatever is most engaging about the music while at the same time minimizing anything that distracts from the musical experience. All of this is based on the objectivity of one's very first experience with the recording in a high-resolution environment.

It'll be a long time before AI can begin to make such judgment calls. Unfortunately, there is a lot of hype around selling magical "mastering tools" instead of quality monitoring.
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I know i shouldn't even loose time with this but i just can't resist, so...

- How do nanobots transmit wifi waves that are many times bigger then them?
Please study the website linked (dataasylum.com). It explains that the nanobots that we're all wired with are self-assembling and that they encapsulate neurons. A neuron is around 0,052 mm in diameter. So, that would be 52.000,00 nanometers (52 thousand)... So, each 'nanobot' is maybe tens or hundreds of nanometers in diameter and with hundreds or thousands of them joined together, they can cover the relatively large sizes found inside the brain. Joined in myriad ways, they could become large enough to provide a local radio station within a given convolution. But maybe it works rather differently. The specifics are not yet openly known. The evidence of artificial interference is nevertheless noticeable to some.

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- Where do the energy for processing and transmitting comes from?
Perhaps the targets unintentionally provide the power for their own abuse? The human body makes electricity. Luigi Galvani once thought that 'bio-electricity' was different from that of lightning or static charges. But he wasn't thinking clearly about this until one of his assistants touched an exposed frog leg nerve with a statically-charged scalpel and saw the dead frog's leg kick as if it were alive. Our brain is a circuit. There is resistance and capacitance inside. It uses electron holes, just like a calculator or a computer or an electric can opener.

Also, there are claims that 'Tesla', who may well be an industrial decoy, came up with 'wireless lighting', cited (even) on Wikipedia: 'Tesla told onlookers that he was sure a system like his could eventually conduct "intelligible signals or perhaps even power to any distance without the use of wires" by conducting it through the Earth.' So, maybe the quantum supercomputer can use a very high frequency wifi* that provides the power for the nanobots as well as the data network.

* wifi doesn't mean anything more than 'wireless' signaling. There's no specific frequency limited to it, although most civilian wifi is low in frequency and power. Nothing like the HAARP, for example.

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- How would you inject the microfibers in the air without people with respiratory problems like asthma dying straight away?
If a known asthma sufferer choked and died, would anyone be looking for ultra small fibers as the culprit? The EPA supposedly doesn't need to look at anything smaller than 3 microns. If the fibers are small enough to be invisible, most people would assume that the deceased suffered an asthma attack - the body killing itself due to needless overwork. Perhaps the protective sheaths are even coated with something that expands the blood and breathing passageways in hosts to preclude respiratory stress. Or, maybe asthma is an allergic response to these very microfibers? If this is confusing and strange, then you're paying attention. Think big. Imagine that our enemy is very advanced and adept. Come on, this is fun!

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- How could a micro-camera work to actually film something at that level: i mean, even if you could do a lens that size (you can't) it would only film atoms.
An atom is supposedly between 0,1 and 0,5 nanometers. If the lens grows with a magnifying effect on the light-beam patterns that enter it, it could see more than large molecules - it could be used as 'a rearview camera on a car'. (source: https://petapixel.com/2011/03/10/res...grain-of-salt/)

The better argument against the micro-camera implants growing in our eyes is that, provided the BioAPI's nanobot hardware can read our thoughts (as is claimed), why can't it tap into our existing optical hardware / visual cortex and steal a copy of what our own (big) eyes see? If it can hear what we hear, then it's already doing that with our auditory hardware. Some of the explanations may be slightly or largely off due to the writer of the website being a victim of this high-tech attack, rather than him being one of the mad scientists running the machine room, knowing all the specifics of the craft.

If you take the time to get well irie (to shield the mind against cognitive diss.- / shock-denial-based coping-mechanisms) and then look closely at that website, you might start sensing that this is answering some questions you've had for the past ten or fifteen years since the 'jet-cirrus' spraying chatter went 'live'. This explains the wide-spread urban legend of 'gangstalking'. I mean, it's not paranoid to wonder if we're being exposed to military tests. They admit to as much. We have rights against being attacked by fellow civilians, but the courts are apparently rigged, and Big Bro is certainly above the law. Any questions? <duck>


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- How could it read toughts if consciouness is not even a thing, but a different model for everyone defined by personal neurological structures shaped by experience?
I like Steely Dan as much as the next ME, but your question is tautologically pretzled. Your assertion that consciousness is not even a thing is academic 'hand-waving'. Obviously, thoughts exist - they are the product of electrical activity inside the brain encountering and leaving behind protein deposits and acetyl-choline and maybe some barbiturates? 0; When we enter REM sleep mode, our brains cause an EEG to get busy because we're having thoughts - we're dreaming. Cogito ergo cogito...

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- Brain processes 400 billion bits a second, has a memory of up to 2.5 petabytes and absorbs at least 34gb info a day (i think these numbers are all on the low end cause don't take into account neurological system like proprioceptive senses and such which could multiply this by a million-fold). How exactly would you transmit this info via wi-fi without anyone ever noticing - don't matter the fact that there's not enough bandwith.

I could go on, i won't. wtf
('...just can't resist...'?) Of course, it would make sense for someone irresistibly to be influenced by the BioAPI to discredit the notion that there's software monitoring and controlling the (targeted) masses. 0; According to the website (dataasylum.com), the application is designed to use us against each other! As for the computing power of the best, secret quantum supercomputer versus an average human brain, it reads as if you're overestimating people (who generally suck a math - can't even tell when something's not statistically plausible) and underestimating covert technology about which you'd forcibly know very little (since it's covert). That's wtf.
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Creative mastering is enhancing whatever is most engaging about the music while at the same time minimizing anything that distracts from the musical experience. All of this is based on the objectivity of one's very first experience with the recording in a high-resolution environment.

It'll be a long time before AI can begin to make such judgment calls. Unfortunately, there is a lot of hype around selling magical "mastering tools" instead of quality monitoring.
yes, and I totally agree. but i think if you look at it as, lets say mastering "pop" genre and you are mastering the same sort of files on a regular basis, you might be approaching it the same repetitive way. that/those process(es) can be trans-functioned into a mathematical algorithm and passed on to AI. the only way it would be harder to do that is if you took a 180 turn with every song project and decided to make it completely unique and different than every other song thats out there in that genre. and most probably, your Joe Shmo that wants to be the next Michael Buble does not want a Radiohead type vibe on his record.He wants you to use Michael Bubles release as a reference for his record so it sounds like it.

AI is here and it will be coming even more in a strong way and it will disrupt and transform the labor market. I am sure of it. Jobs that exist today will not exist tomorrow. I have already accepted that what I do will be transform to an AI. Its highly repetitive work. How much of a doom and gloom situation it is is all dependent on your outlook on life and things. I dont know about you, but the male members in my family were not highly educated academics or teachers. My dad spent his active years banging out iron with a hammer all day. My grand dad laid out big heavy rail road tracks around the country in all sorts of weather. Back breaking work. I got to sit around in a room ****ing around with computers all day. I sure am glad I didnt wind up doing their jobs. Sometimes progress is good.
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AI is no more than rebranded ergonomy, plus a hell lot of PR, religion and naive belief.

http://theconversation.com/worried-a...mptions-103561

https://www.joshworth.com/stop-calli...-intelligence/


Computers are really just filing machines. To be accurate, they don't even compute. They move and file stuff.

One needs serious imagination to develop a paranoia in this situation. As said before in this thread. You can see the cutting edge, the best financed, best equipped and consulted A.I. at work every day in your weak, ridiculously mistargetted google, amazon and FB ads. The best they can do is finding out that you looked for a washing machine last week, bombarding you with the same product over and over again, despite the fact that you bought it already, directly from amazon. A pretty dumb and crude mechanism. These are the very very very best in AI today. 50 year old thermostats exhibit more empathy to humans! :D

In no way it is worth wetting pants. The promoted vision of AI vs the real world diverge, to say the least. We already had 3-4 AI hypes over the last 4 decades, all landed in the dust.
What you say is true in many regards, but you take the wrong conclusion IMO.
It is true that what in the press nowadays is called 'AI' is mostly reinforcement learning algorithms.
What you are referring to is mostly referred to as superintelligence, and the chances of this arriving very soon are not that high.
But it is certainly possible. Since the development of intelligence is possible (humans being the proof on this), it is also true that it can develop on another substrate. Nothing thus far seems to hint that the development of intelligence is bound to carbon-based wet lumps.
And if intelligence can develop on other substrates that posses advantages like vastly faster computing speeds, everlasting memory etc., we should worry quite a bit, since it would very soon surpass us at anything we can imagine. Very soon being seconds after the initial development of general intelligence.
And even if the chances are of this happening are not very high (which is debatable, and the smartest minds on this planet disagree vastly on this), it would be absolutely stupid not to spend thoughts on the possible implications, since it would be the most profound change that humanity ever faced.
We also worry about huge astroids colliding with earth, and the chances of this happening in our lifetime are not very high either.

And going away from the superintelligence topic, also the 'stupid' reinforced learning algorithms are something to be very worried about. Jobs being taken away is one thing (and it happens to the crowd in this forum already now), your 'ridicously mistargeted' algorithms at work at Facebook et al. ripping apart our societies and having their role in things like the Trump election and Brexit are only the most obvious writings on the wall.

You're a smart guy Fabien, I recommend you read this book. Probably the deepest analysis about the problems AI research should be concerned of:
https://www.amazon.com/Superintellig.../dp/1501227742
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Computers are really just filing machines. To be accurate, they don't even compute. They move and file stuff.

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its impossible for me to beat my mac at chess.

and i played A grade for a few years at least.

that dam computer out thinks me every time.

somehow ?????

dont underestimate the enemy is a zen master saying

time will tell.

Buddha
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Just back from conference at our local university on music and AI - http://aias.au.dk/events/aiasconfere...lintelligence/ - it seems there's consensus that AI in music, including e.g. landr, still mostly is about marketing and smokescreening techniques..

That said, there's promising potential (still mainly potential) in deep learning for creative and generative musical purposes.

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its impossible for me to beat my mac at chess.

and i played A grade for a few years at least.

that dam computer out thinks me every time.

somehow ?????

dont underestimate the enemy is a zen master saying

time will tell.

Buddha
to play chess well is a question of memory, no intelligence.

The word of A.I is an abuse of language used by sellers, the word "deep learning" is better.

A software can not translate "I'am a donkey" if the context is unknown.

So regarding the sound quality of the mainstream production, the mastering by software will be common and will do gain more money for the label.

ten years ago, the traders said the same thing about the software "we are so intelligent, a software will can not replace us"
Today, The softwares or "exchanged-trade fund" do better than human
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This article suggests you also need to know what to remember, and that requires one to have visualization, calculation, creativity, and analytical prowess.

https://chessfox.com/the-7-fundamental-chess-skills/


Again, this time from Wikipedia: '...Turing proposed that "if a human could not distinguish between responses from a machine and a human, the machine could be considered "intelligent".'

So, respectfully, 'A. I.' is not really anything so impressive as 'deep learning' - since that can't be proven scientifically to have taken place. What can be proven is whether or not someone was befooled into thinking a machine was a person. Again, this reveals that we don't even know (for a fact) if a person has any learning. We only know that they do or don't sound as if they know something, which is all we can ever go by (and instinct, which, of course, isn't 'science').

The illusion of greatness delivered by some hot sand. Like a mirage, eh?
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People speakes to their car, reviles SIRI, fondles their iPhone .... There are a long time than human do not made difference between a human and an artefact.
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People speakes to their car, reviles SIRI, fondles their iPhone .... There are a long time than human do not made difference between a human and an artefact.
I speak to myself and my Id all the time.
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to play chess well is a question of memory, no intelligence.

The word of A.I is an abuse of language used by sellers, the word "deep learning" is better.

A software can not translate "I'am a donkey" if the context is unknown.

So regarding the sound quality of the mainstream production, the mastering by software will be common and will do gain more money for the label.

ten years ago, the traders said the same thing about the software "we are so intelligent, a software will can not replace us"
Today, The softwares or "exchanged-trade fund" do better than human
explains everything perfectly. thanks

Buddha
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