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I had my studio acoustics tweaked last week...amazing!
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I had my studio acoustics tweaked last week...amazing!

I have a good friend who is a college professor and audio engineer come to my studio at my request and tweaked my acoustics. Nothing out of the ordinary but the results were amazing. I always thought my mastering studio sounded GREAT but now it sounds FANTASTIC. We moved some equipment and the mastering console around and changed the speaker orientation and slightly changed their location in the room. My friend has AMAZING ears and was able to do all of this with very little equipment just his ears and a variable tone generator and some music. The room now sounds INCREDIBLE and I can hear so much more inner detail. WOW!!! I just had to brag a bit. Monitoring chain is Avocet, Bryston IVB ST amplifier and a pair of ALON IV speakers that have been tweaked. I did a LOT of listening over the past few days and the changes are amazing...WOW!!!

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The Room is of such great importance it cannot be overstated. Where any treatments added or just new positioning?
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I really like to read post like this because it is where sound improvements are the more obvious. And it costs nothing !

Ok maybe a fresh beer for your friend
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Had a similar experience back then in my old room. Did hundreds of measurements to achieve the best possible compromise, studied hundreds of infos in books, magazines and the internet, talked to several studio designers over the years, build/bought a lot of different absorber and dissembled them and never was fully satisfied.
Then one day a guy with great ears, but literally no textbook acoustical references comes by (some here might disparaging call him just "an audiophile"), did listen to some random music for a few minutes while walking through the room, did no measurements and hadnt seen mine, but immediately named my biggest acoustical prob in absolute preciseness and also a (quite simple) solution to resolved it by just rearranging speakers etc. I was very sceptical, but in the end it works out great (also by measurements) and showed me another huge perspective in the world of sound. It was that day that teaches me that doing things by ear and use measurements only for final approvement sometimes really is the much better/eefective way (but needs a lot of listening training and experiences of course).
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The Room is of such great importance it cannot be overstated. Where any treatments added or just new positioning?
He added some "pillows" on my front ASC tube traps and we put the "cones" back on the Alon IV speakers. (I had been using Sorbothane pads.) He did a very good job and I am thankful that he was able to do all he did without me having to pay a lot of money for new acoustics. We also added some absorptive padding to the back of my computer monitor. WOW I am impressed...FWIW
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I have a good friend who is a college professor and audio engineer come to my studio at my request and tweaked my acoustics. Nothing out of the ordinary but the results were amazing. I always thought my mastering studio sounded GREAT but now it sounds FANTASTIC. We moved some equipment and the mastering console around and changed the speaker orientation and slightly changed their location in the room. My friend has AMAZING ears and was able to do all of this with very little equipment just his ears and a variable tone generator and some music. The room now sounds INCREDIBLE and I can hear so much more inner detail. WOW!!! I just had to brag a bit. Monitoring chain is Avocet, Bryston IVB ST amplifier and a pair of ALON IV speakers that have been tweaked. I did a LOT of listening over the past few days and the changes are amazing...WOW!!!

FWIW
Kudos Thomas!

The smart thing was that you enlisted the services of a third party.

Someone with an objective viewpoint, ears and skills.

What’s the quote from Einstein(?)

“We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.”

Which goes for Mastering as well, 3rd Party Expertise! :~o}>

Best, JT
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I would be careful with the padding on rear of monitor, keep checking for heat/fire risk.
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I would be careful with the padding on rear of monitor, keep checking for heat/fire risk.
Thanks for the heads up. Appreciate it.
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Just wondering since you also had your monitors on sorbothane pads. What was the reason to remove them?
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If you ever want to get your place dialed in proper give my friend Gavin a call. He really knows his stuff and has the equipment and experience to do it right.


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I have a good friend who is a college professor and audio engineer come to my studio at my request and tweaked my acoustics. Nothing out of the ordinary but the results were amazing. I always thought my mastering studio sounded GREAT but now it sounds FANTASTIC. We moved some equipment and the mastering console around and changed the speaker orientation and slightly changed their location in the room. My friend has AMAZING ears and was able to do all of this with very little equipment just his ears and a variable tone generator and some music. The room now sounds INCREDIBLE and I can hear so much more inner detail. WOW!!! I just had to brag a bit. Monitoring chain is Avocet, Bryston IVB ST amplifier and a pair of ALON IV speakers that have been tweaked. I did a LOT of listening over the past few days and the changes are amazing...WOW!!!

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Hey fello Ohioan I’m in Toledo. Can you post pics please? I’m interested in getting my room more treated before I buy anymore equipment
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I would love to have a reputable guy come do this in my studio, I just don’t know who to trust. Seems like there are probably 50 acoustic specialist imposters for every legit guy. Any chance your friend would like a paid trip to Portland for a weekend?
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Just wondering since you also had your monitors on sorbothane pads. What was the reason to remove them?
My friend thought the ALONs would be helped by going back to the cones. The speakers sit on two 175 pound granite plinths which are in reality granite surface plates accurate to 1/10,000 th of an inch. I got them from here years ago Sucuri WebSite Firewall - Access Denied

And yes the speakers do sound better/different.

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Hey fello Ohioan I’m in Toledo. Can you post pics please? I’m interested in getting my room more treated before I buy anymore equipment
Sure.
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He added some "pillows" on my front ASC tube traps and we put the "cones" back on the Alon IV speakers. (I had been using Sorbothane pads.) He did a very good job and I am thankful that he was able to do all he did without me having to pay a lot of money for new acoustics. We also added some absorptive padding to the back of my computer monitor. WOW I am impressed...FWIW
did you measure speaker response before and after changing things?
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did you measure speaker response before and after changing things?
We did not.
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We did not.
too bad: would have been interesting to see whether the improvements you achieved would also get reflected in a measurement.

anyway, enjoy your new sound!
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too bad: would have been interesting to see whether the improvements you achieved would also get reflected in a measurement.

anyway, enjoy your new sound!
I do not have any sophisticated room measuring software/hardware so I could not do any before and after measurements.

I AM however enjoying my new sound and I just did a mastering session on Monday and it was very easy to dial in my mastering, easier than it has ever been. Thanks for the nice thoughts.
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I do not have any sophisticated room measuring software/hardware so I could not do any before and after measurements.
Room EQ Wizard is free:

REW - Room EQ Wizard Room Acoustics Software

and here's a primer on how to set it up:

Room EQ Wizard Tutorial - GIK Acoustics

Once it's set up it's straightforward to use. An indispensable tool, I couldn't have gotten my new room as good as it is without it.
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Room EQ Wizard is free:

REW - Room EQ Wizard Room Acoustics Software

and here's a primer on how to set it up:

Room EQ Wizard Tutorial - GIK Acoustics

Once it's set up it's straightforward to use. An indispensable tool, I couldn't have gotten my new room as good as it is without it.
Thanks for the heads up. Be safe and have a GREAT week!
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Just this week I did the same. Ended up moving my listening position forward 9" (which involved relocating my desktop computer) and then in turn adjusted speaker toe-in about 3/4". From there I decided to experiment with putting the range limiters back in the GIK Monster Traps on my front wall (the traps were performing better without the limiters at my previous listening position). A very welcomed improvement between those three adjustment and the measurement mic confirms! Total money spent = $0.
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Just this week I did the same. Ended up moving my listening position forward 9" (which involved relocating my desktop computer) and then in turn adjusted speaker toe-in about 3/4". From there I decided to experiment with putting the range limiters back in the GIK Monster Traps on my front wall (the traps were performing better without the limiters at my previous listening position). A very welcomed improvement between those three adjustment and the measurement mic confirms! Total money spent = $0.
Yeah, that will sound better; more direct sound, wider stereo image, less room interaction, and as you said flatter FR. Cool!
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Yeah, that will sound better; more direct sound, wider stereo image, less room interaction, and as you said flatter FR. Cool!
Totally! I forgot to add that by moving the listening position forward I was also able to get by with positioning my computer monitor directly inline with my speaker's drivers/tweeters (see attached image from Thomas Barefoot). This greatly minimizes screen reflections as opposed to having one's monitor in front or behind the drivers/tweeters. So yeah, 4 small adjustments at no cost to me and a huge improvement!

I am adding one final bass trap this weekend at my front wall-to-ceiling corner. The room is measuring very flat but I have a bit of a null at 125hz at listening position, Radioshack SPL meter is showing a boost in that corner at 125hz and I just so happen to have a GIK 244 bass trap laying around. The 244 trap when J-mounted has a center absorption frequency of 125hz coming in at 16.66 sabins per unit. It should even out that null nicely. I love making a good thing even better..
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Just this week I did the same. Ended up moving my listening position forward 9" (which involved relocating my desktop computer) and then in turn adjusted speaker toe-in about 3/4". From there I decided to experiment with putting the range limiters back in the GIK Monster Traps on my front wall (the traps were performing better without the limiters at my previous listening position). A very welcomed improvement between those three adjustment and the measurement mic confirms! Total money spent = $0.
Glad it worked out. It is amazing to realize that your studio can be changed to sound even better without spending any money. Congrats!!!
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I would be careful with the padding on rear of monitor, keep checking for heat/fire risk.
I found these on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and they seem to work well on the back of my monitor. Measured the temperature of the back of the monitor without the pads and with and no decernable difference. I put them in a random order on the back of the monitor. They come with adhesive so it is easy to mount them. FWIW
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Hey fello Ohioan I’m in Toledo. Can you post pics please? I’m interested in getting my room more treated before I buy anymore equipment
A quick picture of studio. Enjoy. Better picture coming soon.
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I found these on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and they seem to work well on the back of my monitor. Measured the temperature of the back of the monitor without the pads and with and no decernable difference. I put them in a random order on the back of the monitor. They come with adhesive so it is easy to mount them. FWIW
i love neoprene, guess it’s a fetish of sorts!

now i’m trying to decide where i could use those?

equipment pads of some sort!

when they built my studio floor, and floated it on neoprene pucks,

they did a great job, which save the floor in a flood we had years ago.

i was so disappointed that they didn’t save any spare pucks for me to use for something else.

ordering the neoprene pads Now!

Best, JT
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Just did some more tweaking. Added some Neoprene 6" by 6" pads to the speakers on the sides and the back to damp out some resonances. I have a percussion mallet that I use to listen for resonances in equipment and walls. Works well. We also moved an Ipad from on the desk to almost horizontal on the left side of the desk. We also walked around the room looking for loose equipment that was vibrating. I put rubber pads on all the rack space fillers on our racks to damp out any vibrations. The room sounds incredible and we just did a hip hop mix down and mastering and the bass was so easy to dial in as were the vocals. One of my interns, who took a semester off, came back and after listening in the room to some music he was familiar with turned to me and said WOW! I am very excited and have spent hours just listening to old projects.

My thanks to my friend the professor.
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... positioning my computer monitor directly inline with my speaker's drivers/tweeters...
Something lots of people pay no attention to. And in many situations, a good reason to put your display(s) somewhere else entirely. In any case, it's way better than when we used to have big CRT monitors between the speakers (aka big empty glass jugs).
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Something lots of people pay no attention to. And in many situations, a good reason to put your display(s) somewhere else entirely. In any case, it's way better than when we used to have big CRT monitors between the speakers (aka big empty glass jugs).
Fortunately I've never had to deal with CRT's in a studio environment!

And yes, in many situations off to the side or mounted on the front wall is the best location. The diagram I posted is in reference to proper placement if your best workable option is say a few feet in front or a few feet behind (but not wall-mounted) your speakers. In that case the best placement for it is directly flush with the cones of your speakers.
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