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Can I bounce two mastered tracks?
Old 6 days ago
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Can I bounce two mastered tracks?

Hi Folks,

This ME sent me two mastered version of the same track. I would like to pick some stuff from the first version (i.e. intro and outro) and others from the second.
I don't want to ask for another revision, so:

It's ok if I "mashup" the two mastered version and print a new bounce from my Daw? There is some stuff that I should care of?
Old 6 days ago
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if you really know what you're doing, why not.
Be carefull about the level during crossfade, since you're working with loud (I gues) material, the sum during the crossfade could exceed 0dBfs.

Also I woud recommend to use 24bits version (or 32) and not the 16bits version so you don't (accidentaly) redither thing
Old 6 days ago
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if you really know what you're doing, why not.
Be carefull about the level during crossfade, since you're working with loud (I gues) material, the sum during the crossfade could exceed 0dBfs.

Also I woud recommend to use 24bits version (or 32) and not the 16bits version so you don't (accidentaly) redither thing
plus just changing the bit rate might give you overs.
Old 6 days ago
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plus just changing the bit rate might give you overs.
I don't see how it could be possible, changing sample rate could cause over but Bit Rate, no.
Old 6 days ago
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Also I woud recommend to use 24bits version (or 32) and not the 16bits version so you don't (accidentaly) redither thing
Interesting. I usually advise creating a 16 bit session and using the 16 bit version because I assume that no DAW will automatically dither the export of a 16 bit file from a 16 bit session. Do I assume wrongly?
Old 6 days ago
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Interesting. I usually advise creating a 16 bit session and using the 16 bit version because I assume that no DAW will automatically dither the export of a 16 bit file from a 16 bit session. Do I assume wrongly?
It depends how the DAW is set up.
In Hofa Master for example, if dither is on, it's gonna dither no matter the bit depth.
In Samp/Sequoïa, there is a "smart dither" function that switch the dither on only if the bit depth is above te destination file.
Old 6 days ago
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It depends how the DAW is set up.
In Hofa Master for example, if dither is on, it's gonna dither no matter the bit depth.
In Samp/Sequoïa, there is a "smart dither" function that switch the dither on only if the bit depth is above te destination file.
That makes sense.

But if the 24 bit version is at 48k or 96k SR then the client will have to use possibly questionable SRC and dither in whatever DAW they are using... So that advice would only apply if 24/44 masters had been delivered, no? I might prefer double dither over DIY SRC...
Old 5 days ago
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That makes sense.

But if the 24 bit version is at 48k or 96k SR then the client will have to use possibly questionable SRC and dither in whatever DAW they are using... So that advice would only apply if 24/44 masters had been delivered, no? I might prefer double dither over DIY SRC...
Oh yes, sure !!
Old 5 days ago
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It should be an extremely simple matter for your mastering engineer to supply this edit version for you - in all formats needed. That's their job (supplying the final masters).

Also: Bit depth = bits per sample. Bit rate = bits per second.
Old 5 days ago
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Yes, I always call it word length, to avoid confusion. And it's a far better descriptor too.
Old 4 days ago
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Word length of bit = 3 letters.
Old 4 days ago
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wow! thanks for all the replies. A lot of technical info I need to elaborate. Anyway, I use Reaper, if I understand correctly I should export the final master in the same bitrate of the originals (which is 16), be careful about crossfade and avoid dithering? (there is an option in Reaper to disable internal dithering)
Old 4 days ago
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If you alter those files in reaper the word length is automaticly changed to 32 Bit. Rendering those new file to 16 Bit again needs another dithering therefore.
Do yourself a favour and ask the ME about an edit. Its his job, you have paid him and he has send out two different versions to choose from for a reason, I think.
Old 4 days ago
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No need for re-dithering if the levels remain untouched.
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No need for re-dithering if the levels remain untouched.

We are talking a crossfade here, so levels were indeed altered. See pics below.



I really wish ppl would think twice before posting or at least read the topic carefully. A lot of posts lately especially from those ppl posting anonym are just so unnecessary, the permanent questioning of the obvious is just so annoying and really kills my personal sake to still be helpful here and elsewhere in the www (and I bet Im far from being alone with that)...
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Old 4 days ago
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We are talking a crossfade here, so levels were indeed altered. See pics below.



I really wish ppl would think twice before posting or at least read the topic carefully. A lot of posts lately especially from those ppl posting anonym are just so unnecessary, the permanent questioning of the obvious is just so annoying and really kills my personal sake to still be helpful here and elsewhere in the www (and I bet Im far from being alone with that)...
The question is : Can you live with undithered material for the time of the crossfade ? 50ms ? 1 sec?
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The question is : Can you live with undithered material for the time of the crossfade ? 50ms ? 1 sec?
I dont think that is the question. The question is: "is the word length altered by doing a crossfade?" And the answer is: "yes".
I will not join a discussion about: " is dither necessary", because Im wise....

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Old 3 days ago
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If you alter those files in reaper the word length is automaticly changed to 32 Bit. Rendering those new file to 16 Bit again needs another dithering therefore.
Your post made it seem like you generally need to dither because of Reaper's internal 32bit conversion (isn't it 64 bit, nevermind), which is not true. If I misunderstood you, well sorry. It happens.

I missed the part where OP was talking about crossfades.
Still, dithering for a few milliseconds of crossfades, not important at all, nobody is ever going to actually hear that ...
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