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Old 13th August 2018
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I'll ask the opposite: how clean/transparent is it?
Old 14th August 2018
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Quick note on all this then...

The compression action is VERY transparent. The tilt sidechain eq + being able to dial in in-between FF/FB settings (seriously, why this isn't on every compressor I don't know) mean you can really tailor it to a signal. Terrific.

The sound, I think Jakob said it best when he said 'clean, but in a way that is exciting'. It has a character, but it's not glaring, just pleasant. That character is also quite level-dependent. Sometimes it feels better run cooler, sometimes you want a bit more. Generally speaking, I prefer it run cooler. So it's not a straight wire - at all - but it's not got gobs of colour either. So, what Jakob said.

I'll try to remember to do some samples, honestly!! Just a bit manic here...
Old 14th October 2018
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curious how it compares sound-wise to other good optical comps aside from its great possibilities.
i'm almost in the "mood" to buy a great opto. ;- )

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The compression action is VERY transparent.
you have also the Foote which always interested me.
how do their behavior compare to each other?
Old 14th October 2018
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Its time for some sound samples/video clips
Old 3rd November 2018
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It looks REAL
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Old 3rd November 2018
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Aah, but that one is the G21 - she's also a complicated personality, although very different.

G24 looks something like this:

(yes, we are still waiting for the review to come out. If anyone has a reliable handle on SOS mag, please let me know)
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Old 4th November 2018
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Aah, but that one is the G21 - she's also a complicated personality, although very different.

G24 looks something like this:

(yes, we are still waiting for the review to come out. If anyone has a reliable handle on SOS mag, please let me know)
Fred "Frenzy" here on GS writes reviews for SOS and is active in this mastering sub. Send him a PM.
Otherwise we'll have either take a leap of faith and buy it or go chase Bob Mac. for a review....
Old 5th November 2018
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No sound examples just yet, but we're working on some quick-demonstration videos..

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Hello there Mr. Erland.

Just out of curiosity, but also from my knowledge thirst satisfaction, what's all that fuss about Cadmium part in G24 and why is Cadmium both so tricky that it needs special paperwork (I know that it's poisonous in some exceeded quantities, of course) and what's the benefit of using Cadmium in audio signal path?

If this is so newbie question and everyone else here know the answer then shoot me guys right away! Hehe... That only means I don't know that much. Which I don't! But, somehow this question intrigues me and I'd love to hear it first hand from the builder's perspective. I really think there's no such thing as a stupid (unimportant) question. Just answers...

Thnx in advance and wish you all the best!

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Old 13th November 2018
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Hi Krešo,

It's a long and complicated story. In short:

EU has banned Cadmium in electronics, because it is unhealthy for environment.

Which is right&fine.

But you can't ban it completely because it is also found as an impurity of e.g. aluminium, so they set a 0.1% limit. The catch is that this 0.1% is valid in "mechanically separable components", which means that whatever thin layer you can scrape off must not contain more than this.

And it's impossible to make a photoresistor without having Cadmium-Sulphide in the surface, because this is what makes the photosensitivity. And there's VERY little of it: the ones I use contains ca. 50uG of cadmium each.

So one of my completely legal anodized aluminum frontplates probably contains more Cadmium than 500 G24 compressors.

In effect, EU has banned optical compression as such - and the whole industry continues, pretending nothing happened. Some lying openly about it, others claiming non-existing permissions, but most of them trying to ignore the problem away. Which pisses me off, thus the passive-aggressive naming of the cadmium compressor

And no, the aggressive is not in the compression. She's a quite delicate beast, the first compressor I've designed that really works well on acoustic and even classical..

Jakob E.

edit: This thread discusses the problem also - over many years..: Worrying European Legislation
Old 13th November 2018
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Hello Mr. Erland,

thank you very much for making it short and an explanation.

I asked sincerely and out of not knowing the facts and now you explained it. So, thank you for that!

Regarding the legaslative issue, yes, I agree that there's no sense at all in it. No sense at all being one item on a special notice while other, completely "legal" carrying much more - not!

Ehmmm, anyway, thank you for your kind reply. I am learning every day.

Best regards from Zagreb!

Krešo
Old 4th December 2018
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Sorry - it's on a monumental to-do list!

Got a new room to finish building, moving to do etc.... will get it done though. Apologies all.
Curious as well
Maybe you could try to send exemples with the origina file of this thread : mastering compressor comparison test

Best!
Old 4th December 2018
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Curious as well
Maybe you could try to send exemples with the origina file of this thread : mastering compressor comparison test

Best!
we make a second round in the first days 2019 - if the distributor (hallo, matthias :-) ) send us a unit, we can lnclude the g24 in the test
Old 4th December 2018
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we make a second round in the first days 2019 - if the distributor (hallo, matthias :-) ) send us a unit, we can lnclude the g24 in the test
fantastic! what other units will you be including jn the test?!
Old 4th December 2018
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fantastic! what other units will you be including jn the test?!
we will see - vertigo vsc2, wes dione, spl pq, Bereich03audio, maybe tk-lizer, maybe...
Old 5th December 2018
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we will see - vertigo vsc2, wes dione, spl pq, Bereich03audio, maybe tk-lizer, maybe...
That sounds dangerous!
Old 4 weeks ago
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Gyraf G24 sound clips is here finally - also suggested in the great "Mastering Compressor Comparison" thread: WeTransfer

Three variations:

Gyraf G24 FEEDFORWARD.wav
Gyraf G24 FEEDBACK_FASTER-RELEASE_HIGHER-RATIO.wav
Gyraf G24 FEEDBACK.wav

..all courtesy of Emil at "ET Mastering"

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Old 4 weeks ago
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Three variations:

Gyraf G24 FEEDFORWARD.wav
Gyraf G24 FEEDBACK_FASTER-RELEASE_HIGHER-RATIO.wav
Gyraf G24 FEEDBACK.wav

..all courtesy of Emil at "ET Mastering"

Jakob E.
Thanks to Emil for getting those done! Apologies for my rubbishness (busy!!).

Worth stressing to listeners that these are 3 variations out of a preposterous number of possibilities... the variable feedforward/feedback alone is incredibly flexible.
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