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Loudest brickwall limiter in 2016
Old 7th March 2016
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Loudest brickwall limiter in 2016

Hello!
I know that the official loudness war is over.
But sometimes I need to go to the limits (-7/-6 RSM).

So, my question to all:
What is the best limiter at the moment to achieve immense loudness without strange sideeffects???

I got very good results with A.O.M. Invisible Limiter.
Then I also compared it with the brand new DMG Limitless limiter (in aggressive mode). By comparing both, the A.O.M. limiter feels a bit cooler in a very good way.

But maybe there are better/louder limiters out!?
Old 7th March 2016
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Depends on the material too. A track can go very loud with a nice sound in a limiter but not in an other which works better for another track....
Old 7th March 2016
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At the moment i'm looking for a limiter or a clipper/limiter combination with uncolored and very loud results without a lot of ISPs.
Maybe there is a pro here who have a tipp for this?!?
As I said before:
Invisible Limiter and Limitless gave me very good results.
But maybe there are another one out there
Old 7th March 2016
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You should at least try this one, it is free, and great!
https://vladgsound.wordpress.com/cat.../limiter-№6/
Old 7th March 2016
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It's really very simple: choose a good limiter and crank it up to the desired volume. Then put GClip before the limiter and chop off some of the transients, and choose your desired ratio of punch versus distortion.
Old 7th March 2016
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You should at least try this one, it is free, and great!
https://vladgsound.wordpress.com/cat.../limiter-№6/
Thanks funka, i'll give it a try!
Old 7th March 2016
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Sometimes you just need to make it louder.
I get it, sometimes you just need to rub your balls on the ears of the guy next to you, as aggressively as possible, like some sort of pagan, tribal dominance ritual involving pig heads.

What I tend to do is simple: just do away with fancy stuff.
No frills.
Get real.

What you do, is get the gain effect of your choice (or even the master fader, just to show the puny mix who is the lord and master) and just... crank it up, the 6 or 7 dB you would with a normal limiter.
It will add some anti-euphonic harmonics which will boost the clarity of the mix. Treble detail for days. It won't squash it, see – at no point the level is going down.
Down is for systems and syndromes, not for your precious mix.

Just SMASH the mix's head against a concrete wall repeatedly, until the bone is just starting to crack.
What doesn't kill you makes you louder.

But wait.
Sometimes, you just want MORE. Just LOUDER, right?
Like BOLD AND CAPS AND UNDERLINE – ALL IN ONE.

Well I've got the secret potion for you, my friend. Free of charge. I don't chicken out.
I give my secrets away. I am not worthy. But you might be the one who will be.

So what you do, right, is you grab your mouse, hover over the gain fader, and you right-click and hold.

And you just move the fader up.
Just, up. You keep going.

How much, you ask?
I don't know.
How many trousers is a respectable quantity to have? I'm not your grandma.
Then again what does she know, right?

It's 2016.
Crank it TO THE MAX.

Your ears will bleed, the mix will sound more aggressive than any stupid "aggressive" settings on any mama's boy limiter you've ever heard of.

And then, the clouds will part.

You have conquered.
You are now the Master of the Fader.
People will cower. Ladies will look at you with teary eyes. Maybe even squinting.
Your mix is now a Master, and is now officially the loudest, meanest, and puchiest in town.

They will sing songs about you.
But most likely they will brickwall-limit them, so they won't be as loud as the original.
They will just be a tribute.
Old 7th March 2016
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Remember, my friend.

To the MAX.
Old 7th March 2016
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sausage fattener.
Old 7th March 2016
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Originally Posted by DistortingJack View Post
Sometimes you just need to make it louder.
I get it, sometimes you just need to rub your balls on the ears of the guy next to you, as aggressively as possible, like some sort of pagan, tribal dominance ritual involving pig heads.

What I tend to do is simple: just do away with fancy stuff.
No frills.
Get real.

What you do, is get the gain effect of your choice (or even the master fader, just to show the puny mix who is the lord and master) and just... crank it up, the 6 or 7 dB you would with a normal limiter.
It will add some anti-euphonic harmonics which will boost the clarity of the mix. Treble detail for days. It won't squash it, see – at no point the level is going down.
Down is for systems and syndromes, not for your precious mix.

Just SMASH the mix's head against a concrete wall repeatedly, until the bone is just starting to crack.
What doesn't kill you makes you louder.

But wait.
Sometimes, you just want MORE. Just LOUDER, right?
Like BOLD AND CAPS AND UNDERLINE – ALL IN ONE.

Well I've got the secret potion for you, my friend. Free of charge. I don't chicken out.
I give my secrets away. I am not worthy. But you might be the one who will be.

So what you do, right, is you grab your mouse, hover over the gain fader, and you right-click and hold.

And you just move the fader up.
Just, up. You keep going.

How much, you ask?
I don't know.
How many trousers is a respectable quantity to have? I'm not your grandma.
Then again what does she know, right?

It's 2016.
Crank it TO THE MAX.

Your ears will bleed, the mix will sound more aggressive than any stupid "aggressive" settings on any mama's boy limiter you've ever heard of.

And then, the clouds will part.

You have conquered.
You are now the Master of the Fader.
People will cower. Ladies will look at you with teary eyes. Maybe even squinting.
Your mix is now a Master, and is now officially the loudest, meanest, and puchiest in town.

They will sing songs about you.
But most likely they will brickwall-limit them, so they won't be as loud as the original.
They will just be a tribute.
Welcome to holy Gearslutz - here we are!!!
Old 7th March 2016
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sausage fattener.
Yeah, Sausage Fattener is a great tool to get a rms levels.
But there are too many side effects.
Old 7th March 2016
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Remember, my friend.

To the MAX.
Btw: i like it
Old 8th March 2016
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Try our Stealth Limiter. You can get very loud without destroying your material.
Old 8th March 2016
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Originally Posted by Peter - IK View Post
Try our Stealth Limiter. You can get very loud without destroying your material.

hmmm not really
Old 8th March 2016
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hmmm not really
Yes, really. There's a demo to try and a search here (and elsewhere) will show many many people who agree with my statement. It is a very highly-regarded limiter. But thanks for chiming in with that very detailed analysis.
Old 8th March 2016
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Try our Stealth Limiter. You can get very loud without destroying your material.
totally overshadowed by limitless
i kinda liked invisible limiter too... but limitless has far more controll
Old 8th March 2016
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Loudness starts with a good mix, it's been said here many times. Limiters are good for material that's intended to be heard at low volume. Carelessly limiting for loud listening is haphazard and dangerous.
Old 8th March 2016
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Loudness starts with a good mix, it's been said here many times. Limiters are good for material that's intended to be heard at low volume. Carelessly limiting for loud listening is haphazard and dangerous.
Yes, when we talk about to go to the limits of a loud master, we all know that the mix have to be as good as possible.

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Old 8th March 2016
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Originally Posted by Peter - IK View Post
Try our Stealth Limiter. You can get very loud without destroying your material.
Hey Peter!
Thanks - I purchased IKMs Stealth Limiter when it was released.
But i rarely used it.
For me the mids are way too soft to get a hard hitting loud master.
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totally overshadowed by limitless
i kinda liked invisible limiter too... but limitless has far more controll
Indeed!!
I think Limitless is the most versatile limiter out at the moment.
And the sound is really fantastic.

BUT: I prefered the sound, transients and overall behavior of the Invisible Limiter.
And it was impossible to achieve these results with Limitless.
I tried hours and hours to immitate the behavior of Invisible Limiter.

Anybody knows another clipper/limiter which is in the same league as Invisible Limiter and Limitless?
Old 8th March 2016
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Anybody knows another clipper/limiter which is in the same league as Invisible Limiter and Limitless?
Yes.
Old 8th March 2016
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Yes.
This is the most insider tipp ever here
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Hello!
I know that the official loudness war is over.
But sometimes I need to go to the limits (-7/-6 RSM).
Why?
Old 8th March 2016
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Yes, really. There's a demo to try and a search here (and elsewhere) will show many many people who agree with my statement. It is a very highly-regarded limiter. But thanks for chiming in with that very detailed analysis.
did my analysis seem detailed to you?

as you said there is a demo...

which I used to evaluate your product and it is by far the less transparent limiter that I have tried

you said : "You can get very loud without destroying your material."

I respectfully disagree (and my clients also)...when you get loud with this limiter the mix is destroyed with the heavy distortion that is introduced

...would you be kind enough to tell us which credible mastering engineers use it?

feel free to be detailed
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did my analysis seem detailed to you?

as you said there is a demo...

which I used to evaluate your product and it is by far the less transparent limiter that I have tried

you said : "You can get very loud without destroying your material."

I respectfully disagree (and my clients also)...when you get loud with this limiter the mix is destroyed with the heavy distortion that is introduced
I´m certainly no IK -fanboy and you´re right: VERY LOUD is not stealth (sic).
But to be fair, before the days of Limitless I used the Stealth alongside Izotope 7, Pro-L and Elephant (with A.O.M. and Xenon on the bench) and on some tracks it clearly won the competition.
I´d rarely go below -8dBfs, though.
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I´m certainly no IK -fanboy and you´re right: VERY LOUD is not stealth (sic).
But to be fair, before the days of Limitless I used the Stealth alongside Izotope 7, Pro-L and Elephant (with A.O.M. and Xenon on the bench) and on some tracks it clearly won the competition.
I´d rarely go below -8dBfs, though.
never won a competition against Elephant in my studio (and it certainly not a user error as I have tried all the settings available)

it is probably due to my sensitivity to distortion
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never won a competition against Elephant in my studio (and it certainly not a user error as I have tried all the settings available)

it is probably due to my sensitivity to distortion
It also depends on the style of music, I guess ;-).

I mainly do electronica and especially the 2 harmonic modes (which in fact introduce saturation/ distortion) can work well on itb-mixes.

Anyway, since I climbed the (steep) learning curve of Limitless, all my other limiters are retired.

Once in a while I try them again but there was only one master in the last month where I found the artefacts of Izotope more pleasing than the open dynamic behaviour of limitless.
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Yes the Stealth limiter is definitely not the loudest, during my demo period I found it slightly below Pro-L and Elephant. On almost all material I tried it on, without ever going over 2.5 decibel of attenuation it distorted.
Old 8th March 2016
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i guess why nobody has mentioned kclip by kazrog
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i guess why nobody has mentioned kclip by kazrog
It´s ok but not in the same league as Limitless.

I also prefer the clipper in Limitless over kclip - way more flexible and with less artefacts if used right.
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