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Affordable LDC Microphone With Multiple Voicings
Old 8th February 2017
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OK OK OK, I'm ordering the CM-100 match pair right now.
Old 9th February 2017
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Here's a comparison of the CM100 (cardioid) and the Teal CM-1.





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Old 9th February 2017
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And here's a comparison between the omni and "omni flat" capsules. NOTE: this is not scientific. It's two different takes. No idea why I didn't do the same take with the two mics lined up, one with each capsule. I was in a bit of a hurry (which makes even less sense, because one take would have been quicker ) and just used the one mic and changed the capsule between takes.

It can at least give you some idea of what they sound like though.





Old 9th February 2017
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And here's a comparison between the omni and "omni flat" capsules. NOTE: this is not scientific. It's two different takes. No idea why I didn't do the same take with the two mics lined up, one with each capsule. I was in a bit of a hurry (which makes even less sense, because one take would have been quicker ) and just used the one mic and changed the capsule between takes.

It can at least give you some idea of what they sound like though.





i love the omni flat - these mics sound great..whats your signal chain for this
Old 9th February 2017
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i love the omni flat - these mics sound great..whats your signal chain for this
CM100 --> Great River MP-2NV --> Harrison 32C (just HPF around 70hz) --> Zen Modded Chameleon Labs 7720

The 7720 wasn't even moving the needle, I just like to track acoustics through it. Sometimes I squish it up more but for this, I just ran it through because that's my usual acoustic guitar chain and I was swapping mics around to evaluate.

I like the omni flat too, a lot. I bet it's great on drum OH. I will find out.
Old 9th February 2017
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Thanks for taking the time to post those clips. I think you make a good point about how the LDC can pick up those lower resonances that are sometimes annoying on acoustic guitar whereas the SDC sort of ignores those from the start. I find it keeps that snappy transient attack that I like so much on acoustic, and provides the detail and clarity in the top end without being too harsh. The latter being a consistent theme from GZ's mics, which is part of why I like them so much. I figured that I was going to like these, but I think the end result exceeded my expectation. I like them more than I thought I would. It will be interesting to hear how they sound next to the usual suspects in this general price range, but I've been rather underwhelmed by the usual suspects for more than a while.
Old 12th February 2017
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Ordering the MKVI thanks to this thread! Thanks for the demos and information guys!
Old 12th February 2017
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I should have a mkIV early this week. Already have a black CM-1 and find it's smoothness, especially considering its slightly tilted EQ response for my tastes, amazing!

I bought an at4040 (thinking I'd like its natural frequency response more than the CM-1) and sold it before long because it was so harsh in the high end.
Old 12th February 2017
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I should have a mkIV early this week. Already have a black CM-1 and find it's smoothness, especially considering its slightly tilted EQ response for my tastes, amazing!

I bought an at4040 (thinking I'd like its natural frequency response more than the CM-1) and sold it before long because it was so harsh in the high end.
its a great mic!(MKIV) I use it all the time

you must use the pad with loud singers ..it gets nasty if you dont ..but after that its butter
Old 12th February 2017
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its a great mic!(MKIV) I use it all the time

you must use the pad with loud singers ..it gets nasty if you dont ..but after that its butter
Nasty as in it starts to break up? Is that in a pleasing way? Depending on the song, I think that could be cool. Especially since I only have the clean preamps on my id22.
Old 12th February 2017
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Nasty as in it starts to break up? Is that in a pleasing way? Depending on the song, I think that could be cool. Especially since I only have the clean preamps on my id22.
nope not pleasing at all.. I just did a live band with two singers at once..

a soft female voice Miktek CV4-> 2264jr->AD16X
and
a big 6ft male with alot of projection and close proximity to the mic
Warbler MKIV->Neve511->AD16X

I had to make changes to the warbler, his sibilant peaks were distorted but the pre wasnt - so I hit the -10 pad and voila, nice and clean, I can't remember if I used V1 or V2

he was leaning into the mic (I had a foam wind screen over it)since they were capturing everything live, backing off the mic could not be applied

regardless, I had a nice clean vocal after the pad
Old 12th February 2017
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nope not pleasing at all.. I just did a live band with two singers at once..

a soft female voice Miktek CV4-> 2264jr->AD16X
and
a big 6ft male with alot of projection and close proximity to the mic
Warbler MKIV->Neve511->AD16X

I had to make changes to the warbler, his sibilant peaks were distorted but the pre wasnt - so I hit the -10 pad and voila, nice and clean, I can't remember if I used V1 or V2

he was leaning into the mic (I had a foam wind screen over it)since they were capturing everything live, backing off the mic could not be applied

regardless, I had a nice clean vocal after the pad
Do you find the MKIV works well on screechy, strident voices?
Old 13th February 2017
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Did a quick drum OH comparison with all the capsules. Not the same take, of course, but you can hear the range of sonics.







Old 13th February 2017
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Do you find the MKIV works well on screechy, strident voices?
i would pad it, and start with V2 setting, then try V3 - the mic is awesome.. I will have more variants in the future
Old 13th February 2017
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That's the spirit.
Old 15th February 2017
  #4426
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I've lurked around for a while now in the threads that deal with the 3u audio microphones, and the brand has caught my interest. I mostly record VO and character voices for various projects so the MKVID is the microphone that I'm probably most interested in, due to that it has a U87AI and U87 inspired voicings, from what I have understood for voicing 2 and 3. And I also don't have any microphone with a pattern switch. So one of the ''D'' models would be ideal.

Currently I have a TLM 102 microphone which I bought used for 356 bucks. It was a significant upgrade from my Rode NT1A, because I always felt that the NT1A was a little harsh at times to say the least.

The thing I wonder which I hope that you guys can answer is if the MKVID would be a noticable upgrade from the TLM 102? I really like my TLM 102 and I doubt I will ever stop using it or selling it, but for certain things in the past I have felt that it might not have always been the most ideal microphone for everything. It might just be that I have missed the placement of the microphone sometimes, but I feel that it responds to the lower register of my voice in a good way, but for certain things, like some character voices I feel that it might give a little too much in that particular area.

I also have a certain interest to get a microphone with a transformer, because I am very curious if there would be a noticeable difference for my voice on one. So I've jumped between and looked at different brands and even DIY options, such as doing a DIY project with a U87I circuit. But so far the Warbler microphones do seem to fit my needs, due to the components on the inside and that there won't be any DIY risk either.

I'm also curious about the GZ67fet, and how it would work for VO. But at the same time I feel that the uh, ''Airy'' top of it might not be ideal for VO. At least I hear something on the top register with my ears from the GZ67fet samples that I have heard, next to the MKVID samples. While the MKVID might sound a little uh, ''boring'' in comparison. Which to me leaves an impression that it would be a mighty fine workhorse mic.

When it comes to my budget I could stretch for the price of a GZ67fet (I believe it was 599 USD, if I recall the pricing I got from Guosheng last year.) But at the same time the MKVID would leave me in a more comfortable position money wise.

I'm also curious for your opinions if my voice would fit with a MKVID, so I've managed to fetch some old recording files from a project I did last year with my TLM 102, which I will add to this post. The chain was: TLM 102 - Scarlett Focusrite 2i2 into my computer. They are spoken in my native language (Norwegian) but I hope that it will be possible to read the tone of my voice out from it. Personally I would say it is in the middle, with a slight lean towards the lighter part of the voice spectrum. And some slight nasality here and there, but I wouldn't say it is in the extreme.

https://www.4shared.com/music/enM6RD...reference.html
Old 15th February 2017
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Warbler mkVI is actually "airier" than GZ67, or brighter if you will.
Yes, the first has the voicing switch, but that's basically an EQ on the mic itself.

For VO you'll likely only use cardioid BTW. Not in theory, but in practice.
Old 15th February 2017
  #4428
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Warbler mkVI is actually "airier" than GZ67, or brighter if you will.
Yes, the first has the voicing switch, but that's basically an EQ on the mic itself.

For VO you'll likely only use cardioid BTW. Not in theory, but in practice.
Ah, right, I probably used the wrong term to describe what I heard. And yeah, I realise that cardioid is the norm usually for VO. But I find myself using my microphones for other purposes as well, so I figured that I could shell out the difference between the two models and just get the multipattern one. After all, it isn't that steep.
Old 17th February 2017
  #4429
I did another recording with the 3U Audio GZ251Fet.
my mix could be better but just to share:

Disclaimer: It's in Korean.

https://youtu.be/Yo73lHAZwVI
Old 19th February 2017
  #4430
CM100s - New Favorite OH & Hi Hat Mic

Finally got a chance to try the CM100s on OH with the cardioid capsules. Wow, they are definitely my new favorite OH mic. Here's what I'm hearing:

Using the CM100 (card) on OHs the cymbals sound very natural and detailed with depth and no weird overtones like some other mics I've used on OHs. The snare sounds snappy with lots of detail again. The toms sound round, natural and punchy and the kick is tight and punchy. Th hit hat is super tight with no mush and no clang (yea, i hate clang on hi hats). I've tried lots of other OH mics and these sound the way I usually would try and make the OHs sound AFTER EQ but without needing any EQ. They do everything they are supposed to do without adding any low mid mud or low end boom. This is not an easy task and they do it well. When you add your close mics in the mix with the all the proximity that they bring to the picture you suddenly realize that all your drum mics are working much better as a team and life is good. It's not just that the CM100s do a good job at their price point, it's that they sound nearly perfect for what I want for OHs at any price point. i will say that if your drums sound thin to begin with and your aren't using any close mics you may not be that excited but my Phattie Drums (yes that's the brand) have thin shells with plenty of bottom end and in this situation the CM100s are terrific.

Also, try the CM100 hyper capsule on hi hat and you will hear exactly what your hi hat sounds like from the drummers perspective. It's super natural, not bright and the snare rejection is really fantastic. i've been searching for a hit hat mic that sounds this natural with this much snare rejection for years. BTW, I'm also a drummer.

My assistant engineer is hearing basically what I'm hearing with these (he probably is gonna get a pair) and another producer who works at my studio loves them too to most of the same reasons and is interested in a pair. Also, several of my audio technology students are excited to get a pair as they start their mic collection. Just saying. :-)

Unfortunately now I realized that I'm gonna need more than 2 of these mics. I can't wait to hear the transformer versions. :-)
Old 21st February 2017
  #4431
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The omnis sounded good, for acoustic guitar would you Omni or cardioid? When are the transformer models being released?
Old 21st February 2017
  #4432
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The omnis sounded good, for acoustic guitar would you Omni or cardioid? When are the transformer models being released?
Guosheng told me the transformer models are supposed to be coming in a couple of months and that the capsules will work on both non-transformer and transformer bodies.

For acoustic guitar, I'm thinking cardioid for the relatively close recording and omni for recording the room.
Old 21st February 2017
  #4433
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Awesome, thanks dragonfly66.
Old 24th February 2017
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I'm a little behind the curve with this post as I haven't checked in on this thread for a while, but I would like to get in my $.02 regarding the ISK 2B Beauty. I tried one about a year ago, and didn't like it at all. Solid low end and smooth enough on top, but it had what I would best describe as a flat, chalky texture to the midrange that I found very unpleasant. When I tried to ship it back, the ISK guy (don't remember the name right now) wouldn't pay return shipping, which was about $80.
Old 24th February 2017
  #4435
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I have only tried the Little Gems from Isk. They sounded great in the videos but in real life had lots of self noise. Sold them after a single use. They were cheap, but not usable for me. Waiting patiently for the transformer-coupled SDC from 3U Audio.
Old 25th February 2017
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I had a great experience with the 2b beauty, I swapped the tube with a very nice OS rca and it absolutely came to life on vocals, but having since replaced it, I realize it did have A LOT of self noise.
Old 25th February 2017
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how about the iSK Pearl? I got one and it seems kinds cool so far. Was tempted to buy another one!

SO CHEAP!
Old 27th February 2017
  #4438
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I tried the Pearl on toms and snare. Was totally impressed on how it sounded on both so I picked up 5 more. Just another set of mics to add. I tend to mix it up on the set with different mics to find that right combination IF a set of mics are not working out and sometimes just a simple mono overhead will do the trick after going through all the BS. Hahaha.....you know we all love doing it regardless of how much time it takes to find that sound, by the way, the Black CM-1 sound really nice on well tuned toms too and, yes, I picked up 5 of them as well.
Old 27th February 2017
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Why an odd number?
Half a dozen next time.
Old 27th February 2017
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Wait, you already had one of each?
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