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Old 21st April 2006
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My question is, do any of you veterans know if there is anyone who re-conditions (restores) Dynamic Moving-Coils? Just Curious.
~Scott in Toronto
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Originally Posted by joeq

Meanwhile, gotta search eBay for those NOS 57s!


It's times like this I recall how daft I can be ... Thanks for stating the obvious to a young fool like myself - embarassed am I that I forgot 'NOS' considering I was always buying NOS 12AX7 Tubes a few years ago!

Cheers.


Signed,
~Juvenile in Scarborough
Old 21st April 2006
  #32
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The Unidyne IV that you have JOEYQ is a 548 (?) and they were everywhere in the early to late '70s.
If you look at pics from live rigs (Led Zepp, ZZ Top, McCartney or most any Showco p.a.) they were used for evrything.

In retrospect they were not very good.

I had about twelve of them once.
I sang into one of them every night for years.

Once we actually, bought SM58s for vocals and SM57s for GTRs and stuff the 548s went into the trash can or pawshop.

... but if you find a use for it.

I wouldn't spend lunch money on one.

Then again, the crowd that was "into" the Yamaha PM1000 channel strips for their "great" sound might find them usefull. They certianly were used together a lot!

Interesting that people actually compare new and old 57s though.
We probebly have thirty or so in our live p.a. inventory and I have a collection of my own. In the "live" stuff there is a Unidyne with a switch. I'll have to try a side by side A/B comparison soon.

Comparing 57s is like comparing Buick station wagons!
Good sounding Buick station wagons, but Buicks none the less!

Danny Bown
Old 21st April 2006
  #33
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Sorry it's taking me ages. I wrote the name of the mic but I forgot the paper at home

It looks a bit like this:
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But it's not the right mic, Mine has a shape more like a sm57. I think it'd called "PEL (something)" but I can't remeber.

The Shure logo is written in red, it has a switch and it says "Made in the U.S.A"

Do guys have any ideas of what my mic is?
Old 21st April 2006
  #34
a unidyne B maybe?



AKA, 517 0r 519


frq response is something like 80-10k

too narrow for my tastes, mostly used in drive-thru window applications
Old 21st April 2006
  #35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dbbubba
The Unidyne IV that you have JOEYQ is a 548 (?) and they were everywhere in the early to late '70s.
If you look at pics from live rigs (Led Zepp, ZZ Top, McCartney or most any Showco p.a.) they were used for evrything.

In retrospect they were not very good.
That's not what I wanted to hear. heh

I wanted someone to say say "Wow - a Unidyne IV!! you lucky bastard!"
Old 21st April 2006
  #36
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boulty, IIRC if you go to Shure's website they have manual info on these models.

BTW the 548 was intended to be a more "pro" Unidyne (like the 546/56).
This is in terms of product consistancy.

If you ask someone like Bob Ohlsson, I bet he'll give you a positive evaluation.

IMHO the issue with the 548 may have pertained to the FOH technician, as they have a different tone than the familiar '57.

Like many other singers, until teeming a Unidyne with a good pre, and proper placement/EQ, believed them to be second-rate for me.

Chris
Old 27th April 2006
  #37
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Ok... FINALLY I manged to take a picture. A really horrible one (mobile phone camera). sorry.

Does anyone know this mic? It's a Shure PE65L. It says "made in the U.S.A." Also says Lo Z (impedance).

The picture really is rubbish. The shape it's almost identical to SM57. The only difference is the switch.

These Mic used to belong to my mum. I picked it up a few years back and only found it again recently.

I have not been able to find much info about it.

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Old 2nd May 2006
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Bumpage
Old 7th May 2006
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Originally Posted by Gomez
(Post Edited by Harley-OIART)
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Does anyone know this mic?

It's a Shure PE65L.

-It is "made in the U.S.A."
-Has Lo-Z (impedance).
-Shape is almost identical to SM57.
-Only difference is the switch.

I have not been able to find much info about it.
~Gomez
Very Cool Mic. Definetely a 57 Variant. Howz the old Beast sound?
Gotta love those indestructable 57's....


~Scott

P.S>(I Didn't know how else to ressurect this thread)
Old 7th May 2006
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Originally Posted by Harley-OIART
Very Cool Mic. Definetely a 57 Variant. Howz the old Beast sound?
Gotta love those indestructable 57's....


~Scott

P.S>(I Didn't know how else to ressurect this thread)

How does it sound... I don't know. The last time I used this mic I was probably 16 years old! I need to give it a shot soon
Old 7th May 2006
  #41
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Doesn't everyone know by now, that the old version of *anything* is **always** better than the new one.

And even better, if the old one cannot possibly be bought anymore. And even more better, if *I* have one and you don't.

At least according to every GS thread I've ever read....

Steve
Old 11th May 2006
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Originally Posted by squeegybug
Doesn't everyone know by now, that the old version of *anything* is **always** better than the new one.

And even better, if the old one cannot possibly be bought anymore. And even more better, if *I* have one and you don't.

At least according to every GS thread I've ever read....

Steve
except a SM7.

i know you're being a bit sarcastic, but you're right; most of the time, cuz companies figure out how to cut costs and learn to ride on coattails.
Old 14th May 2006
  #43
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Just picked up a Unidyne III Made in the USA. There IS a difference, and it isn't subtle
Old 6th June 2006
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Just picked up a Unidyne III Made in the USA. There IS a difference, and it isn't subtle
Yeah it is not exactly "Barely Noticeable" isn't it thumbsup I'm so glad I managed to find a nice, almost mint condition, unidyne III SM-57!
Old 6th June 2006
  #45
have 2 Unidyne III mics here.. as far as I know the "best sounding SM57"..
Old 3rd July 2006
  #46
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Just got my second and I will go to those before the others EVERYTIME. If you use 57s- try some. Personally much preferred. Hard to find but not too expensive!

Heres crappy phone pics- mine is almost identical(other than some body width) to the new sm57.
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Old 3rd July 2006
  #47
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What are you guys plugging these things into for the comparison? The load the mic sees from the preamp makes a huge difference with these mics. The 57's I experimented with were way better with a much lower load (500 or ) than they were with say 1300-1500 (typical Mackie pre). Just looking for a little context on the comparisons.
Old 3rd July 2006
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pres compared/used excessively- Neve V series, Trident 80 series, BAE 1272, GML stereo pre, and focusrite red series. I used them at studios for a while before getting my own. There was a reason when I bought the two I have, they were all in use in rooms and the rest (the other 16) usually sit in the box. They were sold to me as a thanks- but I wasn't the only one pulling them first. And since there were only four total, we often used new 57s side by side. Though as always- if you dont hear it- who cares? Get a new one. Still a great mic.
Old 3rd July 2006
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545/57 Unidyne III

What is the difference between the Shure Unidyne III 545's and 57's, besides color & switch ?
Old 15th July 2006
  #50
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shure unidyne model 545L

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Harley-OIART
Does anyone know a good place (aside from my dreams) to find :

New, Mint Condition (or Close to), American Made, Shure SM57's?

I Love 57's and use them regularly, but I am purchasing some for my studio and I really would like to get my hands on a 'real' one - (American not Mexican).

Should I get in line, or is there hope?

-Scott in Toronto

I have a USA made unidyne 111 dynamic
shure bros.
I also have the complete machine lectrosonics
this came with two microphones- however I only have one
yes it is for sale- any one interested.
I will be posting it on ebay next week- so please let me know if you want to save me the trouble.
oh and this works perfectly by the way
looks brand new- can send pics..
[email protected]
Old 18th July 2006
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CONFUSED NOW!?

After reading this post.. i randomly checked my mic locker to find a Unidyne III 545SD and I was curious if this is the "old 57" everyone is talking about or if there is another type of mic that is a Unidyne III 57. Could someone end my confusion before I explode wondering if I have a sweet new snare mic!!





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Old 18th July 2006
  #52
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Is there a way to tell if you have a counterfeit Shure sm57 ?
S/N ? Codes ? Parts ?

I bought a Shure 57 about 10 years back. The price was cheap, and the shop when out of biz after a few years. The mic never just sounded right to me.
Maybe I should buy another one to compare.
or..... maybe I need a better preamp.
Old 18th July 2006
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I think an i5 sounds better anyway, so who cares??
Old 18th July 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wurly_b
Is there a way to tell if you have a counterfeit Shure sm57 ?
S/N ? Codes ? Parts ?

I bought a Shure 57 about 10 years back. The price was cheap, and the shop when out of biz after a few years. The mic never just sounded right to me.
Maybe I should buy another one to compare.
.
Funny, I always thought the same thing about the newer 57 I got 5 years ago. I wouldn't be suprised if there were some quality control issues with anything that is manufactured in that quantity. I pulled out the unidyne 57 and the new 57 and the unidyne made the other sound broken. This thread made me a/b it again and there is NO COMPARISON. The best part is you can pick one up for less than a new 57 costs. Sadly, I bet not for long!
Old 21st January 2014
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What is the difference between the Shure Unidyne III 545's and 57's, besides color & switch ?
- The 545 has a plastic cartridge body, the 57 has a metal cartridge body.
- The 545 has a bare metal base, the 57 has a black base.
- The 545 (except the 545L) has a dual-impedance transformer, the 57 has a single impedance transformer.
- Some 545 variants have switches (including the current 545SD), while the 57 has never had a switch.
- Some 545 variants (545S, 545SH) have integrated stand mounts, while the 57 (and other 545 variants) has a separate clip.

As far as I can tell, the 546 and SM56 are the most similar, with the differences just being color and cartridge body material. And there was also the PE54 series, which was basically just 545s intended for sale at music stores. I say "basically" because the original 2 models with Amphenol connectors could only do Hi-Z operation. Later XLR models could switch between Lo-Z and Hi-Z. Otherwise, identical.

As far as I know, that's about it. Production techniques and materials for both the 545 and 57 have evolved over the years, including the inner mesh in the capsule head (older models had wire mesh, newer models have a cloth mesh), the amount of glue the transformer is mounted in (newer models have more), and the way the diaphragm is produced (I believer it is currently cut with lasers).

I've got 2 new 57s and 3 different old 545s, and honestly all of mine sound pretty similar.
Old 21st January 2014
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I think you would be happy with the TAB Funkenwerk upgraded Shure SM57 with the T-58 transformer from Zen Audio. $199.00

The upgrade gives the mic closer to an SM7 response and others testing said it
sounds closer to the original Unidyne III.
Old 21st January 2014
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The upgrade gives the mic closer to an SM7 response and others testing said it
sounds closer to the original Unidyne III.
"original" as in 1960 545? 1965 SM57? 1980 SM57?

The 545 and SM57 evolved over the years, irrespective of the "Unidyne III" branding, but it seems like there's a common misconception that that label means something in particular.
Old 21st January 2014
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Originally Posted by lukpac View Post
"original" as in 1960 545? 1965 SM57? 1980 SM57?

The 545 and SM57 evolved over the years, irrespective of the "Unidyne III" branding, but it seems like there's a common misconception that that label means something in particular.
I'm gonna guess '65 but Zen should be able to clear that up.
all I know is that the results are smoother and top end is more open
than a stock '57.


I'm using mine on all kinds of stuff and want a second one.

There's a shootout here in another thread between Shure offerings
and pretty much everyone preferred the TAB SM57 to the stock and to the transformerless designs.

Modded SM57s in a Shootout-Finally
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