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Got the gear, is only the music and skills I'm missing now?
Old 15th September 2011
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Got the gear, is only the music and skills I'm missing now?

Hi Guys,

For a while now I've been upgrading my gear and instruments, I will list what I have and what's left to get and you tell me what you think, deal?

I've pretty much researched the hell out of every purchase. Do you think this is all enough to make some good and professionally sounding recordings if the performance and post is right?

Stuff I have:
Interface: Firestudio Mobile
Preamps: FMR RNP, GAP 73 Pre
Mics: AT4040, Shure SM7B, Oktava MK 012 Matched Pair
Guitars: Epi LP Custom, Strat Standard USA, Taylor 210CE, Ibanez GSR205
MIDI: BCF2000, StealthPedal, KORG nanoPad2
Keys: Yamaha P-95, Evolution MK-449C
Monitors: Event ALP5 (going)
Headphones: DT 770 Pro 80?

Stuff I will get soon:
Acoustic Treatment: GIK 242 Panel x 6, GIK 244 Bass Trap x 4
Monitors: Yamaha HS80M

I'm recording some acoustic country/rock/folk and also some harder rock/metal. No live drumkit and no guitar amps unfortunately - one day I will move and hopefully will have enough space for all that, for now it's just a small control room and bigger bedroom. Drums are programmed from samples, guitars go through simulators.

I've done some mixing in past but never took it seriously, only recently started some proper learning.

Thank you GS
Old 15th September 2011
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Hi Guys,

For a while now I've been upgrading my gear and instruments, I will list what I have and what's left to get and you tell me what you think, deal?

I've pretty much researched the hell out of every purchase. Do you think this is all enough to make some good and professionally sounding recordings if the performance and post is right?

Stuff I have:
Interface: Firestudio Mobile
Preamps: FMR RNP, GAP 73 Pre
Mics: AT4040, Shure SM7B, Oktava MK 012 Matched Pair
Guitars: Epi LP Custom, Strat Standard USA, Taylor 210CE, Ibanez GSR205
MIDI: BCF2000, StealthPedal, KORG nanoPad2
Keys: Yamaha P-95, Evolution MK-449C
Monitors: Event ALP5 (going)
Headphones: DT 770 Pro 80?

Stuff I will get soon:
Acoustic Treatment: GIK 242 Panel x 6, GIK 244 Bass Trap x 4
Monitors: Yamaha HS80M

I'm recording some acoustic country/rock/folk and also some harder rock/metal. No live drumkit and no guitar amps unfortunately - one day I will move and hopefully will have enough space for all that, for now it's just a small control room and bigger bedroom. Drums are programmed from samples, guitars go through simulators.

I've done some mixing in past but never took it seriously, only recently started some proper learning.

Thank you GS
Check this out and see what you think https://www.gearslutz.com/board/low-e...challenge.html

Did this early on in the year.. I have better stuff and it makes my life easier and quality is better... But you can mix a good track on a soundblaster and you can make a crap mix on an SSL... It's all about you baby!!
Old 15th September 2011
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Check this out and see what you think https://www.gearslutz.com/board/low-e...challenge.html

Did this early on in the year.. I have better stuff and it makes my life easier and quality is better... But you can mix a good track on a soundblaster and you can make a crap mix on an SSL... It's all about you baby!!
Haha, nice one, time to make some music!
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Haha, nice one, time to make some music!
Took me years to get it right:

Quick tips:

Keep it light
Keep it tight
What goes in comes out, if your not happy with it in the mix when you set your levels re-record it try to do as little EQ as you can get away with
(That's pre-mixing just get your volume levels right and your panning set)

Read stuff about frequency ranges to know where your instruments sit.
Make sure you haven't got anything fighting, HPF's and LPF's work wonders in the right place

Then you tweak it to your content..

Have fun making good music
Old 15th September 2011
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Took me years to get it right:

Quick tips:

Keep it light
Keep it tight
What goes in comes out, if your not happy with it in the mix when you set your levels re-record it try to do as little EQ as you can get away with
(That's pre-mixing just get your volume levels right and your panning set)

Read stuff about frequency ranges to know where your instruments sit.
Make sure you haven't got anything fighting, HPF's and LPF's work wonders in the right place

Then you tweak it to your content..

Have fun making good music
Thanks mate, good tips
Old 15th September 2011
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Well...I think you need a small amp (or two).

Other than that you just need to start tracking. Your 10,000 hours starts now.

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Well...I think you need a small amp (or two).

Other than that you just need to start tracking. Your 10,000 hours starts now.

At least loL!!
Old 15th September 2011
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Well...I think you need a small amp (or two).

Other than that you just need to start tracking. Your 10,000 hours starts now.

Haha so true.

START
Old 15th September 2011
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Well...I think you need a small amp (or two).

Other than that you just need to start tracking. Your 10,000 hours starts now.

Well I was thinking about amp, done some research and if I had space I would probably get: Fender Blues Junior and Peavey 6505 Plus Combo.

I was also looking at Fender Super Champ XD to get in the meantime but not sure if that would be any better or real sounding than sims, perhaps recording into mic (I would get my first SM57 ) will produce more natural sound than sims?
Old 15th September 2011
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Haha so true.

START
Well, no other way to do it, is it. Just by actually doing it.
Old 16th September 2011
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Well, no other way to do it, is it. Just by actually doing it.
Damn right
Old 16th September 2011
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......perhaps recording into mic (I would get my first SM57 ) will produce more natural sound than sims?
It will.

If you are serious about having electric guitars as a real part of your music then part of the learning process is figuring out how to get real electric guitar tones.

Old 17th September 2011
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Well I was thinking about amp, done some research and if I had space I would probably get: Fender Blues Junior and Peavey 6505 Plus Combo.

I was also looking at Fender Super Champ XD to get in the meantime but not sure if that would be any better or real sounding than sims, perhaps recording into mic (I would get my first SM57 ) will produce more natural sound than sims?
A Blues Jr and a 57 are both studio tools that you will never sell. A Blues Jr and a couple of different overdrive/distortion/fuzz pedals will give you a nice range of real guitar sounds.
Old 17th September 2011
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Do you think this is all enough to make some good and professionally sounding recordings if the performance and post is right?
It's I suppose in how you define "professional", which has become a pretty low bar. No, you don't have the tools to make recordings that compete with high end studios, if that's what you mean.

Also, if by "post", you mean mixing...and you've never mixed, but will be the mixer, then there's another skillset missing.

But, here's the greater problem in that:
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Drums are programmed from samples, guitars go through simulators.
Here's the thing--I've rarely heard professional sequenced drums (as a rule-been tracks here and there) and never in folk/rock. Nor have I heard many Egtrs that are not real amplifiers. Nor many using a P95. Starting to see the trend?

You CAN absolutely make nice, presentable recordings with what you have...and if your goal is a to make music, those are the skills you should work on. My post is not meant to take you away from that...if you had Norah Jones (and band) in your apartment (which would mean musical skills are the same) you could not make a recording that sounds like hers do. Having that expectation is going to lead to nothing but heartache.
Old 17th September 2011
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It's I suppose in how you define "professional", which has become a pretty low bar. No, you don't have the tools to make recordings that compete with high end studios, if that's what you mean.
As much as I would love to have the tools and skills to compete with high end productions I'm well aware it's not the case. At this stage I would like to be able to make recordings that sound decent enough and can be enjoyed by average music consumer (still long way anyway, I know)

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Here's the thing--I've rarely heard professional sequenced drums (as a rule-been tracks here and there) and never in folk/rock. Nor have I heard many Egtrs that are not real amplifiers. Nor many using a P95. Starting to see the trend?
Yup, in terms of tools that's the biggest gap here, I know that but I will use what I have until I'm able to accommodate real drum kit and amps.
I feel personally that drums is the more important thing here, version of the same track with real drums and amp simps would be superior to version with sampled drums and real amps, how does everyone feel about this?

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You CAN absolutely make nice, presentable recordings with what you have...and if your goal is a to make music, those are the skills you should work on.
Nice, presentable recordings is what I'm after, that would answer my question.

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My post is not meant to take you away from that...if you had Norah Jones (and band) in your apartment (which would mean musical skills are the same) you could not make a recording that sounds like hers do. Having that expectation is going to lead to nothing but heartache.
As said my gear, rooms and skills are far from high end (it's the low end forum) so hopefully no heartaches (I'm sure lots of headaches though)

Thanks
Old 17th September 2011
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It's I suppose in how you define "professional", which has become a pretty low bar. No, you don't have the tools to make recordings that compete with high end studios, if that's what you mean.

Also, if by "post", you mean mixing...and you've never mixed, but will be the mixer, then there's another skillset missing.

But, here's the greater problem in that:


Here's the thing--I've rarely heard professional sequenced drums (as a rule-been tracks here and there) and never in folk/rock. Nor have I heard many Egtrs that are not real amplifiers. Nor many using a P95. Starting to see the trend?

You CAN absolutely make nice, presentable recordings with what you have...and if your goal is a to make music, those are the skills you should work on. My post is not meant to take you away from that...if you had Norah Jones (and band) in your apartment (which would mean musical skills are the same) you could not make a recording that sounds like hers do. Having that expectation is going to lead to nothing but heartache.
I don't agree with some of the stuff you said... Although I respect it

I know of, heard, talked and been trained by people who can do amazing mixes and recordings on substandard gear.

Technology has come so far in the lower end it's amazing.

The biggest hurdle will be the learning curve, seeing what works and doesn't.. (Mainly keeping instruments real)

I have seen studio's using an SSL mixing desk as a centre piece to impress clients and do everything they need on an Orpheous / Metric halo or even saw one guy do a metal mix which blew me away on a bloody apogee duet.

Pretty much all metal bands use sampled drums.. Go tell the likes of slipknot it doesn't sound proffesional... They would just get there butler to take you to the door and escort you out in there bentley.

Unless you are using utter crap, then you can compete with whoever you like.. It's all in the know how, I'm not saying hi end gear doesn't make life easier... I just bought a ULN-8 as my main unit because it does make life easier.

Are you honestly saying that someone with 10 - 20 years experience couldn't grab something like an MR816 and do something mind blowing?

But then again it might not help someone get a number 1, Owl City managed a number 1 in UK with reason!! Bloody reason.. I think it sounds horrible.
Old 17th September 2011
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The biggest hurdle will be the learning curve, seeing what works and doesn't.. (Mainly keeping instruments real)
It took me a while to realize that my best bet was to play to my strong points and not to attempt to do things that were out of my range.

Keeping to mostly real instruments and avoiding the sound of fake drums was one thing that helped me get to a place where I was smiling when I heard my stuff being played back.
Old 18th September 2011
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It took me a while to realize that my best bet was to play to my strong points and not to attempt to do things that were out of my range.

Keeping to mostly real instruments and avoiding the sound of fake drums was one thing that helped me get to a place where I was smiling when I heard my stuff being played back.
Nice one lenny Good to see you have got things sorted..

Actually expanding on my last point.. I have two studio rooms at the moment..

My second room has all the cheapo stuff in it, my next challenge because I enjoy causing havoc is the under 4k challenge..

Which is directly aimed at the mid to high end... Get a performance mix and master that will step up to them for under 4K!

So it has to sound as good if not better than my favorite bands.

Recon I'll do it?
Old 18th September 2011
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Recon I'll do it?
I'll be listening.
Old 23rd September 2011
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Just added Behritone and Big Knob to my low end setup, life's good on the low end side of the rainbow, peace.
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