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What to use for preamp and monitoring with an e-mu 1212m? Mixers (Analog)
Old 10th September 2011
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What to use for preamp and monitoring with an e-mu 1212m?

I tried searching for posts to help solve this riddle and I just can't find anything. I am sorry if this is a stupid question, but here goes...

I am doing basic multi track recording with one mic(at2020) and direct guitar/bass so I really only need two inputs. I have an emu 1212m and I am wondering if I should use something like a mackie 802 vlz3 mixer or maybe an m-audio dmp3 and a separate headphone/monitor amp for running into and out from the 1212m. I would like to keep the inputs and outputs balanced, but I don't know the best way to get a separate "clean" headphone and speaker mix. My budget is $200 to $300.

I hope my question makes sense...
Thank you
Old 10th September 2011
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The DMP or a small mixer would work for the inputs.....note that for direct guitar or bass you need something with a specific Hi-Z input (the M-Audio does) or you'd need a separate D.I box.

For output, what speakers are you using....are they active or passive?
Old 10th September 2011
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First off, thanks for the reply.
I am using active yamaha hs50m's.
Old 10th September 2011
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How often is this going to happen? I have the perfect solution for you:

Buy a used E-Mu 1616m breakout box and run it into your 1212m soundcard via CAT5 cable. The 1616m is designed to work with the 1212m without a hitch. Just disable the analog input/output sister card that you have in the computer right now, and only use the main card.

The thing is this: Standing alone, the 1212m is only a very good bang-for-the-buck soundcard with better AD/DA conversion than most things in its price range. If you can deal with the learning curve associated with PatchMix, the software is very useful. But, you need to have separate preamps and a separate headphone amp, as well as a way for the single pair of balanced outputs to feed both your monitors and a headphone amp. This means buying more equipment than your budget allows if you buy it all separately. If you go this route, a good budget headphone amp that will work great for your situation is the PreSonus HP4. You feed the balanced lines out of the 1212m into the HP4, then back out of that into your monitors. These are pretty inexpensive. However, you are not going to have a lot of money left over for decent preamps.

If you get the 1616m breakout box, you get 2 OK (bland but OK) preamps, a headphone amp, and all the ins and outs you could ever possibly want.

I just looked on eBay and saw a used 1616m on sale for $250. It is the kind that has a card for a laptop, but you aren't going to need anything other than the 1616m box itself and some CAT5 cable.

Good luck!
Old 10th September 2011
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Do you think the preamps in 1616m are better or worse than the mackie or m-audio?
Old 10th September 2011
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I've never compared them, but I would bet they are comparable.

I have owned several E-Mu pieces of gear, including the 1212m and the 1616m. I use some higher end stuff now, but both of those were really decent, underpriced pieces of gear. The preamps in the 1616m were fine, but nothing spectacular. I bet the others are going to be in the same camp. For the price you are targeting, that's what you are going to need to shoot for: Good and reliable, but not spectacular.
Old 10th September 2011
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Thanks so much for your advice and I will definitely keep my peepers open for the 1616m... I had totally forgot about that piece of gear...
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