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Best small monitors for under $1500 Studio Monitors
Old 22nd December 2011
  #121
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Really solid advice and a good list. Best thing you could do (that sadly I could not so had to buy blind/deaf) is get your local store to line as many up as possible and play your have tunes through them and go with your gut instinct. If possible try get your two faves in your room, as once out of the shop they will sound very different in your own treated space.

I know specs ain't everything, but below is a list I drew up when deciding, which I hope maybe useful. It does not have everything, but the main issues for me were price, physical size, freq response and power, so I listed those.
Prices might be old now (bought about 2months ago) or different for peeps in the US.

Genelec 8030a - £768 - h299 x w189 x d178 mm - 40w tweeter, 40w woofer - 58hz - 20khz

Genelec 8040a - £1200 - h365 x w237 x d223 mm - 90w tweeter, 90w woofer - 48hz - 20khz

Dynaudio BM6a - £1210 - h335 x w203 x d327 - 50w tweeter, 100w woofer - 40hz -21khz

Focal CMS50- £760 - h299x w190 x d201 - 50w tweeter, 80w woofer - 55hz -28khz

Focal CMS65- £1100 - h370x w241 x d231 - 60w tweeter, 100w woofer - 45hz -28khz

Mackie HR624 - £700 - h333x w219 x d319 - 40w tweeter, 100w woofer - 45hz -22khz

KRK VXT6 - £680 - h368 w263 d246 - 30w tweeter, 60w woofer - 60hz - 24khz

Neumann KH120A - £1100 - h277 x w182 x d220 - 50w tweeter, 50w woofer - 52hz-21khz

Adams A7x - £866 - h337 x w201 x d280 - 50w tweeter, 100w woofer - 42hz-50khz
Yeah specs are really not good way to go on only. For example the A7x have far more output than the CMS (They go quite allot louder) though spec's are very close.

Plus you missed out the VXT8 and HR824 MKII's which are better than their little brothers and both have some of the best low end in the list. BM5 & MSP7 are worth looking up to, then you got quested.
Old 29th December 2011
  #122
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frequency response without tolerance doesn't say anything. (though, even a really precise graph in an anechoic room doesn't really say a lot).
Power doesn't mean anything either if you don't know about the driver's efficiency.
Most of the time you don't have enough information to use the specs.
Old 30th December 2011
  #123
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fair points guys and that's why I said "specs ain't everything"

it's not meant to be an exhaustive list - just what I had on my shortlist and hope it can be of at least some help to others deciding.....

as always tho, trust ya ears and ya taste!
Old 15th January 2012
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Originally Posted by Rollover View Post
fair points guys and that's why I said "specs ain't everything"

it's not meant to be an exhaustive list - just what I had on my shortlist and hope it can be of at least some help to others deciding.....

as always tho, trust ya ears and ya taste!
For specs to be even mildly helpful they need to be detailed. Like for the freq range for example, whats the tolerence within that range. +/- 1db?, +/- 6db?. There's lots of variation there. Then there's the THD response, power handling response, transient response, time domain etc etc. All of which are as important as each other.

I do like the way manufacturers like K&H and PSI give much more detailed tech specs. It instills a confidence of them testing their gear properly. Nothing of course beats listening, that is the only true way to really judge if its right for you.

If you can afford to spend a bit more, definitely consider the Munro Eggs. A much better choice than the BM6a MK2 (MK1 was good, MK2... oh dear), and it shares a similar Dynaudio style sound.
Old 14th March 2012
  #125
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Oh lord I got my CMS 65 pair of monitors today. Holy Christmas batman, they're as good as you all say they are.
-new studio standard perhaps? =P
Old 16th March 2012
  #126
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Genelec 8030a - £768 - h299 x w189 x d178 mm - 40w tweeter, 40w woofer - 58hz - 20khz

Genelec 8040a - £1200 - h365 x w237 x d223 mm - 90w tweeter, 90w woofer - 48hz - 20khz

Dynaudio BM6a - £1210 - h335 x w203 x d327 - 50w tweeter, 100w woofer - 40hz -21khz

Focal CMS50- £760 - h299x w190 x d201 - 50w tweeter, 80w woofer - 55hz -28khz

Focal CMS65- £1100 - h370x w241 x d231 - 60w tweeter, 100w woofer - 45hz -28khz

Mackie HR624 - £700 - h333x w219 x d319 - 40w tweeter, 100w woofer - 45hz -22khz

KRK VXT6 - £680 - h368 w263 d246 - 30w tweeter, 60w woofer - 60hz - 24khz

Neumann KH120A - £1100 - h277 x w182 x d220 - 50w tweeter, 50w woofer - 52hz-21khz

Adams A7x - £866 - h337 x w201 x d280 - 50w tweeter, 100w woofer - 42hz-50khz
This info says NOTHING! For example ... 45Hz-20 kHz -2dB and 45Hz-20 kHz -10dB is not the same. ... in Your post there is no info about "dB drop"

As I know Focal CMS 65 goes lower (deeper bass) than ADAM A7X ... but YOUR specs telling something opposite.
Old 16th March 2012
  #127
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This info says NOTHING! For example ... 45Hz-20 kHz -2dB and 45Hz-20 kHz -10dB is not the same. ... in Your post there is no info about "dB drop"

As I know Focal CMS 65 goes lower (deeper bass) than ADAM A7X ... but YOUR specs telling something opposite.
Easy tiger! ;-)

I just got the specs off the company websites. Yes very good point about dB drop - this obviously makes a big difference.

In the end the only two bits of info in this list I was very concerned with were price and size (as was a small room I was kitting out). In the end I am rolling off lots of low on my Neumanns anyway as I not got enough trapping sorted yet!

As I mentioned before test in person in your own space if pos, if not possible test in the shop, if not that (like me!) read plenty of reviews and get the opinions of fellow users on forums. I bought 'blind', but thanks to a great advice here on GS am very pleased with what I ended up with.

Apologies if anyone is being misled by the specs I put up.....
Old 16th March 2012
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As I know Focal CMS 65 goes lower (deeper bass) than ADAM A7X ... but YOUR specs telling something opposite.

That must be the room as tested the both in same room and the A7X go lower and deeper, and are tighter down there. They also have far more output (As most experience also) Despite specs being similar. Also reviews with both monitors in say the A7X are tighter / better down low while having more output.
Old 16th March 2012
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That must be the room as tested the both in same room and the A7X go lower and deeper, and are tighter down there. They also have far more output (As most experience also) Despite specs being similar. Also reviews with both monitors in say the A7X are tighter / better down low while having more output.
I have ADAM A7X and ....

They have tight bass? - YES

They have very good dynamics (for size/price)? - YES

They goes very low in bass? - NO!!! ... they are only "OK" for their price and size (they are average).

Measurements are proove of this (55 - 51 Hz max at -3 dB).

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