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HS80m: Sweet Potato or just a Yam?
Old 19th December 2011 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by RJHollins ➡️
Regarding HS80M ...

Curious what connectors are people using ... specifically BALANCED or UN-Balanced.

I'm finding a significant difference ... and NOW have the monitors running
UN-Balanced using Monster Standard 100 cables ... and they sound excellent
in this pro designed/ treated mastering room.
I planning on buying a pair of HS80s as well for my home setup. From what I can gather from this thread some of their issues can be compensated for by:
1) Placing them on solid stands
2) Plugging the ports
3) Using unbalanced Monster 100 cables (this was mentioned in another hs-80 thread as well)
Old 20th December 2011 | Show parent
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I did not from what I hear and use no sub. ported they went 30 Hz being placed close ro the wall, now I can hear 30Hz too, although the phase is just linear (just ridiculous!) and so close to what i hear in headphones and no resonance from port is muddying the low-bass. Layering kicks and envelope controlling is like 10x better, I started hearing thetexture of the string sound on some upright bass and so on.
Freak the ports! Closed box for life!
Damn, did i just waste me money on Arc!?

I see what you mean, much more linear with improved midrange resolution, very nice. I plugged the ports when i first got them but felt i lost too much low end. I had them on a desk in an untreated room though. Now i've got them up on stands with mopads and some. I left the ports clear to reinforce the low end but this is much better. I can hear how the port resonance was causing some midrange smear and losing transient detail but now i can hear it. Looking forward to seeing what effect Arc will have! heh

What's special about the monster 100 cable then? i need some new cables but the Yams are sensitive to ground noise, as i found out with my laptop, even with balanced cables.
Old 20th December 2011
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Damn, did i just waste me money on Arc!?

I see what you mean, much more linear with improved midrange resolution, very nice. I plugged the ports when i first got them but felt i lost too much low end. I had them on a desk in an untreated room though. Now i've got them up on stands with mopads and some. I left the ports clear to reinforce the low end but this is much better. I can hear how the port resonance was causing some midrange smear and losing transient detail but now i can hear it. Looking forward to seeing what effect Arc will have! heh

What's special about the monster 100 cable then? i need some new cables but the Yams are sensitive to ground noise, as i found out with my laptop, even with balanced cables.
ARC rocks. It rocked a few months ago with my HS80M and now with the Ns10m's!!
Old 20th December 2011 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by Liquid Legacy ➡️
I planning on buying a pair of HS80s as well for my home setup. From what I can gather from this thread some of their issues can be compensated for by:
1) Placing them on solid stands
2) Plugging the ports
3) Using unbalanced Monster 100 cables (this was mentioned in another hs-80 thread as well)
I recently bought the HS80's and while I cant comment on #3...the first two suggestions def. help.

I have experienced some hum issues with one of my speakers so im interested in trying those monster cables.

So far im pretty happy with the Yamaha's. I had KRK's before and while they sounded good I dont think they translated as well as the Yamaha's....especially with plugged ports.
Old 21st December 2011 | Show parent
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Had a pair of HS80 for about 5 years. (Sold them for personal reasons...) My big concern about those speakers was the unbalanced mids. lets say the high-mids/low-trebble are +1/+2 dB higher than the average volume and the low-mids are -1/-2dB lower than the average volume. I will not call them bright since the top-high frequencies are a little lower than the low-high frequencies: so it's more harsh than "airy". I didn't find the mids that precise. For sure they are "there" but not with that much precision.
The lows are OK for the price but there is defintely something wrong around 80Hz. It's hard to judge low frequency since they are totaly depending on the room (a lot of people seems to forget it) but I got the bump you guys already talked about at 80Hz in every room I mixed in.
I bought the sub (HS10W) for more precision in the low frequencies: it did help because it gives more controls (you can play with the filters and the extra volume control). It's not night and day but it was definitely an improvement. And it brings an extra 10Hz in the lows.
I wouldn't buy a sub again anymore because for the price of the whole set (2*HS80+1*HS10W) you can upgrade for the higher range and get something with better frequency response (including lows), better transient response, better imaging.. so it's not worth the money to me...

The corrections you can get with the switchs behind really suck to me... the frequencies aren't the smartest choice: the low control start's at 500Hz, so it makes the low-mids even lower and the High freq control starts at 2kHz and makes the High-mids even higher (if you set it at +2dB) or kills the high-trebbles (if you set it at -2dB). So definiely a bad choice to me (I guess the High frequency control is just an extra boost on the tweeter volume).
The Medium control is set to 2kHz (or 2.5 I can't remember) so if you set it to -2dB the 5kHz seems even higher. I would have loved to have it set to 5kHz.
So if you want to soften the high mids/ low highs you can only do it with the high control => but then you loose too much of the top high.

Overal they are good speaker for that price of range, don't take me wrong they definitely are. They are not perfect, they are not flat either, but they also definitely do their job => They translate pretty well for the price (except in the mids for the reason mentioned above).
I work with the hs80m and i know them quite well. I absolutely agree with you on the lack of upper mid clarity. You can test this by tweaking around a narrow band eq in the upper mid region,,, you clearly hear a dip somewhere around 16 till 20.

But i have to admit,,
1: The hs80m are pleasent to work on for hours straight one without getting too much ear fatigue.
2: Although clarity is lacking on the speakers, I never made a big mistake on the hs80m. Somehow i can hear when to leave stuff alone if this makes sense.


The biggest bang for the buck nowadays is the tannoy 501A, they are almost half the price of the HS80, but the mid range is much clearer, stereo width is more defined, and the low end is more honest (although lacking pressence).

Ild suggest those Tannoys today in stead of the HS80m.
Old 21st December 2011
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Originally Posted by gizeh12 ➡️
I work with the hs80m and i know them quite well. I absolutely agree with you on the lack of upper mid clarity. You can test this by tweaking around a narrow band eq in the upper mid region,,, you clearly hear a dip somewhere around 16 till 20.

But i have to admit,,
1: The hs80m are pleasent to work on for hours straight one without getting too much ear fatigue.
2: Although clarity is lacking on the speakers, I never made a big mistake on the hs80m. Somehow i can hear when to leave stuff alone if this makes sense.


The biggest bang for the buck nowadays is the tannoy 501A, they are almost half the price of the HS80, but the mid range is much clearer, stereo width is more defined, and the low end is more honest (although lacking pressence).

Ild suggest those Tannoys today in stead of the HS80m.
How about the 6" tannoy?
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I work with the hs80m and i know them quite well. I absolutely agree with you on the lack of upper mid clarity. You can test this by tweaking around a narrow band eq in the upper mid region,,, you clearly hear a dip somewhere around 16 till 20.
???
Old 21st December 2011 | Show parent
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How about the 6" tannoy?
I was going to ask the same thing. They've dropped recently to £300 a pair, more fuel for my GAS.

In other news, Arc is on it's way! And just in time for crimbo. heh
Old 21st December 2011
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Recently I gave up my HS80M lately for NS10M's...
Love the NS10's... Very different sound!
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