MD421 (kick, bass cab, guitar cab) $350
3 x 57 (snare, toms, cabs) $270
then some condensors to match the left over $ maybe the oktava 012's or 4033's if you can get them cheap enough! .... in dollars, thats not alot for multi application misc heheh good luck with it!!!
in theory, I like the idea of the standard/cheap mic
The transducers have the biggest effect on your sound. Mics and Speakers are where you will notice a difference by doubling your investment as compared to doubling your investment on electronics. For the guy with a $100 preamp, going from a $100 to $200 LDC mic he will almost definately hear a difference. You have already invested a lot in your electronics so don't skimp on your mics since you will notice more of a difference there than if you had skimped on pre's. I would be looking at spending about $2000 on the mics to have a good all around setup. You will want to have a pair of pencil condensors, a few different LDC's, a ribbon mic or 2, a good bass drum mic, some tom mics, a few SM57s or similar, a few SM58s or similar, a tube condensor mic, and that's just getting started.
Don't forget the MXL line of mics. They make a mxl604 small diaphram condenser that comes cardiod ,but includes an omni capsule. I think they sound WAY better than an octava 012 and can be found new for under $100/ ea.
Also you might want to check out the V69 mogami version. It's a toob mic for around $300.00 We shot it out with several other much pricer mics and on this perticular vocalist it won. FWIW.
Other's suggestions sound good too. an SM7 would be nice to use on several things..
Lets see.. so my 2 cents then:
(2) MXL604 $200
(1) MXLV69 $300
(1) Shure SM7 $300 (used)
(2) Shure sm57s $180
Then maybe one of those Nady ribbon mics to round out the collection.
But, as usual there are many different ways to do this thing we call "recording "
2x SM57's (guitars, snare, toms, some vox) $120 used
2x Oktava Mk219 (same sources as SM57) $90 used
2x AT4041 (OH, Ac. Guitar, some vox) $450 @ 8thstreet.com
AKG D112 (kick drum, bass cabs) - $120 used
MXL V69 (tube LDC, vox, room, bass cab) $220 used
With that setup you could track a 5 piece rock band. D112/AT4041's/SM57/MK129 for your Drum Kit. 1 57 for lead guitar, 1 MK219 for rhythm guitar, and the V69 on Bass.
Overdub your vocals with the V69.
If they want to track individually, then great... use the V69 as a room mic for drums, and steal the extra dynamic mics for under snare/floor tom.
great records have been made with worse.
If you have a great sounding room to record in, swap the AT4041's for a pair of Avenson STO Omni's at only $50 more.
i own all the mics listed in the configuration listed in this post.
i also own a pair of Beyer M160's, a Beyer M201, a pair of Earthworks TC30k's, an AT4060, a couple ShinyBox 23C's, an ADK Vienna, and a few Sennheiser MD421's.
So i can say that that particular configuration holds its own, with room to expand. I haven't sold any of those mic's.
well i totally love the 421's, so i completely back you on that. For sdc's i would suggest sticking to either the oktavas or the mxl's... mxl's will save you money and should be a little clear-ish i think compared to the oktava's... (though i have never used a sdc from mxl, so anyone feel free to correct me) and the oktava's a tad more color. Also, the mk012's are available with switchable capsules with different polar patterns and have an attach/detachable 10dB pad. And low end people on here have tons of good stuff to say about mxl ldc's, though the only one i have used in the past i did not care for. You could always side with the majority on that one. I'd suggest looking into the sennheiser kick mic (never cared for the d112 or shure b52 and never tried the d6) but you could always stuff the 421 in there (but probably on the "m" setting on the dial) Anyone know how an sm7 would sound on kick? also, back on topic, i've heard samples of different transformer-modded ribbons and some of them sound pretty great (esp on drum overheads!)
The RE20 is a pretty useful mic. It handles bass and kick well and works well for a lot of voice/vocal recordings.
Well that goes to show you how different folks use diff. mics to get the job done. I for one have never liked the re20 for anything but bass amp. Even then I usually swap it out for a 421.
Totally YMMV heh heh
For the guy with a $100 preamp, going from a $100 to $200 LDC mic he will almost definately hear a difference. You have already invested a lot in your electronics so don't skimp on your mics since you will notice more of a difference there than if you had skimped on pre's.
Is this true? I always thought it was the other way around...shouldn't the pre have more effect on sound?
Load yourself down with Audix i5's ($99 each) and for a pair of SDC's those MXL 604 are an absolute bargain and sound fine and have omni caps. Get one good LDC (sE2200a / ADK Vienna come to mind) for about $299 and you're done.
If there's any dough left over, grab an APEX 210 ribbon which is a very decent cheap ribbon on a budget.
Those i5's are truly great microphones, a good friend of mine describes them as the best of a 421 / RE20 / SM57. Put 'em all around the kit, on cabs, vocs etc.
just my 2 cents.
i think you can build quite a nice mic locker for 1k these days.
if your willing to put in the time for deal hunting.
a lot of good mics have been mentioned.
i'll just suggest some other approaches.
1. old EV dynamics from the 70's, ,,,,sometimes 40 bucks.
2. the tape op mic (for 20 buks) if your into diy.
3. the old shak pzm's. modded can sound interesting on lotsa tracks.
4. that new heil mic for 100 buks some folks really seem to like.
5. crikey...ive even got here some old beat up no name mic that beats out other mics on some tracks for some wierd reason.
6. lets not forget the old shure dynamics.....545.....a lot of people swear by them.
just some ideas.
Mmmm it's a bit hard for me to think in dollars and US market prices so I'll just say...
Yup! to the SM57.
Yup! to the RE20.
Yup! to the D112 or D12, although there's nothing wrong with the Beta 52 and they seem to be coming up cheap second hand right now in the mad dash to buy the Audix D6 and land yourself with endless EQ taming problems.
Yup! to old Shak PZMs. I recorded an entire live gig with those when I had nothing else to hand.
I don't actually like the SM7, but everybody else here seems to, so I'll shut up now.
Not bad but you can whack the price down quite a bit by buying used.
More common used pricing would be:
MD421 -- $200 (a pretty common price)
Beyer M88 -- $225 (I bought 2 for $129 each)
Beyer M69 -- $100 (I snagged 3 of them for $60 each)
Haven't priced the others but I almost bought some Avensons the other day for $400. For the price of the Shiny Box you have quoted, you should be able to get a used Beyer M500 or M160 (and maybe with cash to spare). Personally I'd go with AT-4041s or Oktavas instead of the SM81s, or if you do some judicious shopping you might be able to pick up a pair of used AT-4051s for $500.