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ADAM Sub12
Old 12th November 2005
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ADAM Sub12

Hi!

I've got the Adam P22A in my small home studio (so am i right in the high end ? ):



I produce trance / dance music, so i need good control over the bass. I'm missing this a little bit with the Adams (perhaps it is my room) - i have to turn the volume quite loud to check the bass, there seems to be a roll-off from 90 hz down.

I want do expand my Adams with the new Adam Sub12 (btw: the Adam support is the best I've ever seen, answers only take minutes mostly). What do you think about this - could this help? One other problem is the positioning, the Adam Sub has an open speaker and so i cant place it under the Desk.

I'm interested in your opinions [and sorry for the bad english].

Volker
Old 12th November 2005
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sounds more like room-mode issue than P22-A not delivering enough bass

try moving them closer to wall or further from the wall, try to move them wider/narrower... there should be better place for them, to excite right modes

listening position is also important, sitting in the place, where most of the bass cancels out isn't the best idea (mostly around the center of the room, but not only there)

instead of thinking about sub, try to buy some bass traps and put them in the corners, this should even out the bass response

and no P22A are not highend... more like "mid-end" ;-))))
Old 12th November 2005
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Hi!

Thanks for the answer. I improved the bass response by moving them to the actual position, but there is still not enough bass (perhaps i'm just too bass-unsensitive). Absorbers would mostly make the bass level lower, but make it more precise, i think.
But christmas etc. is coming, and would it be a mistake to purchase this sub?
After that i can buy some absorbers (do you know some low-price solutions and placement tips [look at the picture].?).

What do you think?

Volker
Old 12th November 2005
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trust me, bass trapping is not going to suck the bass out, actually it gets much better, because all the cancelations and resonances are going to be less severe and bass fills in. There is good reason why most of the studios have good amount of bass trapping. Fill your corners with rockwool and thank me later ;-).

http://forum.studiotips.com/viewtopic.php?t=535

http://www.realtraps.com/

http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/index.php

http://www.saecollege.de/reference_material/index.html

now go through these and learn some basics about acoustics


good luck
Old 12th November 2005
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Hi!

Okay, i will take a look at the absorbers I heard that rockwool is bad for the health !?

What about this: http://www.musik-produktiv.de/shop2/...?artnr=9221054

Or this: http://www.icm-consult.com/auralex/s...aps/atom12.php / http://www.icm-consult.com/auralex/s...etro_LENRD.php
And at all http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--AURROOMA1 + one corner block

But still the question: Is it a mistake to buy the sub because i wont get the max lowend with the P22a solely.

Volker
Old 12th November 2005
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Rockwool is not harmfull when you don't "disturb" it by shredding or so, the fibers from the rockwool could be harmful, but they are released only when you physicaly disturb the material, not like azbestos (don't know if it is the right spelling) that releases fibers on it's own. Common practice in the studios is to put rockwool in a plastic bags (thin plastic foil will work). It is just to be sure no fibres can escape to the room... "just in case", it is very common material ;-)


Those auralex bass traps will work... but rockwool/DIY is less expensive and more effective.

Your question about sub... it could be solution, there is no way of knowing just from the photo, but the symptoms you described are mostly connected with suboptimal speaker-listening position placement, non-existent bass trapping or/and your room can have too many dimensions with common divider... such a 5x5x2.5 or so.

Now I will let others to agree or disagree with me to give you view from another angle.
Old 14th November 2005
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Hi!

What do the others think about the Adam Sub12 (and the other Adam Subs) - do it / they have enough power?

Volker
Old 14th November 2005
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Ehm... i would definitely hear this... And i have checked it via the mono button of the Big Knob.
There is bass, but unter 90Hz not enough (no i'm not addicted to bass : )

Volker
Old 16th November 2005
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You can also use FR 701 and make corner bass traps. Tighten your room by hanging fr701 on the walls perpedicular to your monitoring speakers. Double up on the 701 for the bass traps and make sure they are acoustically sealed. Pull you monitors away from you walls and corners to give more dimension and sace. Yor monitors are awesome...I think it's just your placement and lack of room treatment that is affecting your listening response.
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