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How to mult (and distribute) signal from bass guitar
Old 14th July 2005
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How to mult (and distribute) signal from bass guitar

Hey guys,

i posted this one in the High End section, cause i think this is the place
with many people around who are familiar with this technique.

I want to record a bass guitar played through several amps. heh
Since i can´t get my hands on stuff like the Radial JD 7, i´m looking
for an equivalent solution.

Anyone having good results with using passive split units? Or even
some weird hookups with D.I. boxes?

I tried that with different Volume Pedals which have a "tuner output",
but (like i expected) the results were poor.

Help....!
Old 14th July 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by opentune
Hey guys,

i posted this one in the High End section, cause i think this is the place
with many people around who are familiar with this technique.

I want to record a bass guitar played through several amps. heh
Since i can´t get my hands on stuff like the Radial JD 7, i´m looking
for an equivalent solution.

Anyone having good results with using passive split units? Or even
some weird hookups with D.I. boxes?

I tried that with different Volume Pedals which have a "tuner output",
but (like i expected) the results were poor.

Help....!
Radial might be a way to go...

http://www.radialeng.com/di-jd7.htm

Ross Hogarth has a different idea...and I'd imagine that he could use anything.

http://www.vintagemicrophone.com/JSh...=article1.html
Old 14th July 2005
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Good article by Ross! Thanks!

The thing is i can´t afford to buy the Radial unit we both
mentioned. I don´t even can borrow one, since i don´t
know anyone using this item.

Is there a different way to get (almost) the same result?
Old 14th July 2005
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I believe the Littlelabs PCP distro can achieve what you're after. A quick google should get you some prices and 2nd hand availability
Old 14th July 2005
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The LittleLab really looks like it´s what i need.
The retail price is around $1000. Not my budget...

Looks like i have to save enough money before recording
multiple amps.
Old 14th July 2005
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As you spead the signal from the bass to multiple amps - the pick up signal 'weakens' badly - thats why it's recomended that you use a 'buffered' splitter device.

you can read up on buffers halfway down this page

http://www.customaudioelectronics.co..._questions.htm
Old 14th July 2005
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That´s a very useful link! Thanks a lot!

Guess i will find an answer there.
Old 14th July 2005
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Open tune, the Little labs STD can split 2 signals and runs about 125 bucks..

It is a great little unit. transparent - highly recomended.
Old 14th July 2005
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Yeah, my budget will allow the purchase of that one!

Great! Thanks, heyman!

Btw: Where are you located? (you´ve been asking me same
question a while ago...remember?)
Old 14th July 2005
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If it was me I would first put the bass thru a pre such as an API for example, then you could send it to several inputs with very little effect on the signal. A bass being a very high impedance source loading it with multiple inputs would effect to sound.
Old 14th July 2005
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But the pre would output v "hot" line level signal ... tutt
Old 14th July 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heyman
Open tune, the Little labs STD can split 2 signals and runs about 125 bucks..

It is a great little unit. transparent - highly recomended.
Agreed! The STD's a fantastic little box for splitting out to 2 amps simultaneous. It's an absolute god send for running long cables between the player and the amp(s) as well... thumbsup
Old 14th July 2005
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you can also try the lehle stuff for signal splitting, i used the lehle dual for guitars and was very happy with the results...
great forum, been lurking for a long time, keep up the informationflow...

cheers jan
Old 14th July 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jules
But the pre would output v "hot" line level signal ... tutt
The point being then you could go to a compressor, 2 or more reamp boxes with no problems.
Old 15th July 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nosebleedaudio
The point being then you could go to a compressor, 2 or more reamp boxes with no problems.
So you would run the bass into a pre and then split just with Y-cables?
Or did i get you wrong here?

Jules says the signal would be way too hot...
Besides of a "strange" sound, would this affect input stages of
the bass amps i want to use? Damages shouldn´t occur, i guess.
Old 15th July 2005
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I dont feel this is a good way to work.. It requires MORE equipment....

You would have to LOWER each signal before feeding it to an amp..

The Little Labs STD sounds like the perfect device for you - or build your own buffered multi output box.. I am sure there are schematics somewhere for this on the web.
Old 15th July 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jules
I dont feel this is a good way to work.. It requires MORE equipment....
That´s what i think when i get up every morning... heh

I stop kidding - guess you´re right. I tried to google for some
schematics and found some sites that maybe will be helpful.

I will find out how much a DIY solution would cost. I could
built a unit with more outputs than the Little Labs....
Old 15th July 2005
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Yes, my ONE option would require more gear; but quite frankly it is a superior way of getting from point A to B. This method is very good when you want to reamp a track after the fact, but could at the same time IF needed could split the signal to mutiple inputs with it not loading the Bass at all. This is no different from other methods of doing the same thing, how much do you want to spend and do you want great results or good? I set up this exact config for an engineer so that the guitar player could cut 3 different tracks at the same time: Direct, and 2 Reamp boxes to his amps. with NO hum, Buzz ect... I also see no difference in this "suggestion" compared to saying someone Needs a $1000.00 Mic Pre to cut vocals, they don't...I would think this forum is to give any that may be interested How they could do something..
Old 15th July 2005
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Open tune, I am in Providence ,RI ...

Do yourself a favor and give the Littlelabs STD a try...

125 bucks... Best splitter I have used... You will not be disapointed..

Once you buy it, you will not return it...

Good luck..

Jim
Old 15th July 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nosebleedaudio
Yes, my ONE option would require more gear; but quite frankly it is a superior way of getting from point A to B. This method is very good when you want to reamp a track after the fact, but could at the same time IF needed could split the signal to mutiple inputs with it not loading the Bass at all. This is no different from other methods of doing the same thing, how much do you want to spend and do you want great results or good? I set up this exact config for an engineer so that the guitar player could cut 3 different tracks at the same time: Direct, and 2 Reamp boxes to his amps. with NO hum, Buzz ect... I also see no difference in this "suggestion" compared to saying someone Needs a $1000.00 Mic Pre to cut vocals, they don't...I would think this forum is to give any that may be interested How they could do something..
No offence meant NBA, It's just that this guy looks to be wanting to keep to $125 or under!

Old 15th July 2005
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Quote:
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No offence meant NBA, It's just that this guy looks to be wanting to keep to $125 or under!

None taken, and I agree. Thats the problem with text only comments its hard to ask questions back and forth... I get a little carried away with HOW something could be done and its not meant for everybody. I can't afford the $1000.00 solutions to things either. Take care all, it still about a GREAT song...
Old 19th July 2005
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Ok, guys. Lots of recommendations even for the small budget (guess that´s
why we were moved). Great! Plus i found some schematics for buffered
split-systems on the internet.
As soon as i searched trough all of them, i will post the best links.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nosebleedaudio
... I get a little carried away with HOW something could be done and its not meant for everybody...
Well, happens to me not only in "text only" comments...

Thanks guys!
Old 19th July 2005
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if you had a lil more $$$ you should check out the Smart DI system by Allen Smart. Seems to be the DI./Splitter with "real world" (no pun intended) functions.
Old 19th July 2005
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You could try a buffered looper.
Here's a link to some: http://www.amptone.com/switchers.htm

If you want to roll own buffer/looper, try www.geofex.com

Or try the Alembic blaster, which can be made for under $20. Schematic can be found here.
http://www.generalguitargadgets.com/...d=23&Itemid=50
Old 19th July 2005
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Boss Line Selector LS-2 does this ... kinda...



Herwig
Old 19th July 2005
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why not re-amp? record the direct signal from your bass, and send it out for reamping and recording....i'm not sure how the singnal levels match up (direct box might be needed here) but surely theres a way. unless ya wanna avoid the whole D/A/D conversions.

of course i'm serious, and don't call me Shirley
Old 22nd July 2005
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Wow, even more links and suggestions!

I´ll give the Boss unit a try. If memory serves me right, my bassplayer
owns one. I´ll see if it works.

As far as the Amps - i´ll record an Ashdown Mag, Mesa M-Pulse, and
an EBS PreAmp with LAB Poweramp. Cabinets will be SAD and SWR.
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