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Old 20th June 2003
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I can't believe I'm jumping in on a 7 page thread-- against my better judgement. I'm glad Jay brought this up, I was knocked out by the record at the time. I'm going to riff off of some ideas I read on the seven pages that make this thread-- sorry if I seem to jump from idea to idea.

There weren't many records coming out at that time that had as much balls as that one did. And to me it stands out because of great rythmn guitar sounds, good bass/drums connection, and and the attitude that drips off of it. Rocket Queen is like the show piece of the record for me. I'll take Appetite over the crap that it opened the flood gates for. To me there is no comparison between that record and the Motley Crue, Vixxen (I always get them two mixed up), Poison crap and the rest of the hair band thing that follow shortly after. Appetite was like a breath of fresh-- ok really really stanky-- air that needed to "wake up" new rock and roll.

To me it could have done what Nevermind did, and by that I mean I thought good rock music got to peak through after Nevermind came out (and no I don't mean The Screaming Trees), and perhaps if G&R weren't from LA maybe better bands could have gotten their shot. I'm not trying to put down LA, but at that time, was the club scene really as Poison and Motely Crue would lead me to believe? I hope not. Nothing's Shocking still stands the test of time for me, but then so does In-A-Gadda-Da-Vidda.

Axle always reminded me of Carol Channing more than Ethel Merman. I mean Ethel Merman had a big powerful voice, and I bet Beavis would agree with me that she'd kick Axle's ass in a fight. Axle and Carol Channing might go 6 or 7 rounds, but Ethel would KO him in round 1.

And about Good Vibrations: the thing about all the music that he recorded for that is that I've heard like 4 or so different versions of that song that all sound great and stand up. The way he (Brian Wilson) was working at that time, he sort of had to record tons of material and stitch it together and in many cases the end result justifies it. Besides, he was in someways doing what people now do without batting an eye on their DAW's. So, it just isn't fair to compare the recording of Good Vibrations to the kind of stitching together that happens when "musicians" can't play four measures without screwing up.
Old 20th June 2003
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Axle and Carol Channing might go 6 or 7 rounds, but Ethel would KO him in round 1.



Old 1st July 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by musicalhair
There weren't many records coming out at that time that had as much balls as that one did. And to me it stands out because of great rythmn guitar sounds, good bass/drums connection, and and the attitude that drips off of it. Rocket Queen is like the show piece of the record for me. I'll take Appetite over the crap that it opened the flood gates for. To me there is no comparison between that record and the Motley Crue, Vixxen (I always get them two mixed up), Poison crap and the rest of the hair band thing that follow shortly after. Appetite was like a breath of fresh-- ok really really stanky-- air that needed to "wake up" new rock and roll.
OK, let's wake you up out of that drug-induced pseudo-memory you're having...

Appetite For Destruction was released in 1988.

Motley Crue's first record (actually a pretty good one, compared to the rest of their ****) Too Fast For Love came out in 1983.

Poison's first record Look What The Cat Dragged In came out in 1986.

Vixen's first (and I think only album) - Vixen was released in 1987.

Fact is, you could build a better case for Motley Crue's Girls, Girls, Girls album (1986) creating the atmosphere that G'n'R was able to step into...

Not that I'm defending GLAM rock or anything (although I'm not ashamed to admit that I still own pristeen vinyl of Twisted Sister's Stay Hungry, Can't Stop Rock and Roll, and Come Out And Play - original press with the manhole cover that opens to the most hideous shot of Dee Snider you could possibly imagine)

Just get your history straight before you go spouting off and looking like a doof.
Old 3rd July 2003
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Duuuuude,

Sorry I put your spandex in such a wad. I didn't mean to imply that G&R's first record came out before Motley Crew's, or maybe even "Vixxen". I wouldn't have ventured a guess as to when Vixxen's record or records would have came out. See, I'm not a big fan. All I was doing was setting-up the chance to through in the line that I always mix up Vixxen and Motley Crew, because I think it is funny.

As for Poison, I'm kinda shocked their first record came out before G&R's, but then it was self produced wasn't it? It sort of makes a difference. When did their record get national distribution, and when did morons actually start buying it? If every copy of their album was within a two miles radius from a herpes sore on Sunset BLVD for a couple of years then something would have triggered it to start selling. I'd still bet that no one owned the record that didn't get it walking home from the Hollywood free clinic, until long after G&R were big.

I could be wrong, I don't really care. Most of that music sucked, and most of it sucked at the time. G&R was a bit of an improvement over that type of stuff IMHO. I don't have any years to back me up except that I do remember Motley Crew around when I was getting out of High School, and I thought they sucked. I remember G&R when I was getting out of the millitary, and I was knocked out. I don't remember "knowning about" Poison or Vixxen till I was in college and back home in NJ, but when I did hear them, I was quite glad I was listening to Blues and Jazz at the time.

Sorry, I used the chance to post to throw out lines about mixing up Vixxen and Crew all the time, how I think G&R's AfD ages well but so did In A Gadda Da Vidda, and how Axle sounds like Carol Channing (something I always thought even when I first heard the record), and to revive the Beavis and Butthead debates about who could kick Axle's ass.

Really, I didn't realize I was pissing on your golden age of music. I didn't mean to desacrate the historical time line of that music by not knowing Vixxen's record came out before G&R's. I do still wonder, is that really what was going on in LA clubs in the 80's. All I can say is thank God for Bleeker St.

So, no hard feelings??? thumbsup
Old 4th July 2003
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Whacky, I never thought of G&R as glam but I can see that.
Old 4th July 2003
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GNR were totally Glam at the start, as was everyone.. As far as music that set up GNR.. wow there is a ton of stuff that was either established or devoloping at the same time.. Circus of Power, T.S.O.L. LA Guns obiously..

pretty much I think that everything just lined up when Guns hit the scene, good tunes, great energy, right mage, and a gaping hole in Rock n Roll. Too bad the singer had to get lost in the self indulgent 7 munite piano ballad.
Old 5th July 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Steve Smith
Too bad the singer had to get lost in the self indulgent 7 munite piano ballad.
Yeah, LSD is a horrible thing.

Lead
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Old 5th July 2003
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Quote:
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Yeah, LSD is a horrible thing.
Butr the band kicked ass.. what a great record

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Old 15th July 2003
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G&R and Motley Crue

Ironically, I saw G&R opening up for Motley Crue Girls,Girls,Girls on Sept 27, 1986 in Huntsville, AL.

AFD hadn't been released yet, or maybe it had just come out....I don't remember.

All I knew of G&R at the time was I had heard an LP .... it was black with a gun, some thorns, and a rose on it in the middle...maybe even a live album.

I could kick myself for not paying attention to them as they were the opening act for the Crue.

They played most of the songs on AFD.

Ahhh the fuzzy memories.
Old 16th July 2003
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Appetite is simply one of the great rock records. Right there with Exile on Main St, Zep II, you name it.
If you don't get it, you won't.

PS- Ian Astbury (the singer) played drums on most of The Cult's albums.
Old 16th July 2003
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Quote:
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PS- Ian Astbury (the singer) played drums on most of The Cult's albums.
I allways thought he was a bass player?
Old 20th July 2003
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I always thought GNR sucked donkeyballs.
Old 20th July 2003
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Are donkeyballs a delicacy in Vancouver?
Old 20th July 2003
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Are donkeyballs a delicacy in Vancouver?
Yes. But you nedd to know where to find them.
Old 22nd July 2003
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Great thread...

Great album, one of the few relics of the hair metal days that still sounds fresh. Slash is a great guitar player (and I'm willing to bet that anyone who disagrees hasn't heard any of his non-GNR stuff), and Axl has one of the great all time rock voices. Kinda like Janis Joplin meets Ian Gillian with a touch of Brian Johnson gargling battery acid in a prison cell...And the songs! Man, what freakin monsters - My Michelle, possibly one of the greatest opening couplets ever:
"Your daddy works in porno now that mommy ain't around
She used to love her heroin, but now she's underground"
The album really covered all the bases - it rocked, it had attitude (100% snark), it had singles, it had voilence, it had drugs, it had grime - in short, it had everything you need to make a great rock record. Add Mike Clink and more drugs, and viola! Instant classic!

Old 28th July 2003
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"Slash is a great guitar player (and I'm willing to bet that anyone who disagrees hasn't heard any of his non-GNR stuff), "

Heard him with Lenny Kravitz on "Mama Said". He sucked.
Old 4th August 2003
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man, i got this album cranked right now and its just wonderful. i am getting ready to mix a sleaze rock band and this album is going to be my B.
Old 4th August 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Lyle Caldwell
PS- Ian Astbury (the singer) played drums on most of The Cult's albums.
Lyle, are you sure about this?

(News to me.) Never heard mention of it anywhere else...

If he played drums on Electric, he's a friggin groovemonster, ALA Phil Rudd.

No flash, just meat and potatoes and a seriously deep pocket!
Old 5th August 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ted Nightshade
"Slash is a great guitar player (and I'm willing to bet that anyone who disagrees hasn't heard any of his non-GNR stuff), "

Heard him with Lenny Kravitz on "Mama Said". He sucked.
Really...

Interesting. One of my favorite pop guitar solos of all time. FWIW, one of my other favorites is the Pretenders "Middle of the Road".
Old 5th August 2003
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Casey,
That was according to an interview with Billy Duffy (I think that's his name- the Cult guitarist, anyway) in one of the guitar mags, probably from the Sonic Temple era.
He was saying that Ian did all the drums on the albums, then they'd hire a guy for videos and a tour, then they'd go back in the studio, Ian would do the drums, and they'd have to hire a new guy for the videos and the tour...
The Cult really started out as a hairspray video band. Not really sure if they got a lot better or if the bands around them got a lot worse, but I do enjoy listening to them occasionally. Kinda like AC/DC with a delay pedal.
Old 6th August 2003
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Fire Women. My guilty pleasure. How can you NOT crank that song up when it comes on the radio? It's like changing the station when you hear Iron Madien's "Wasted Years".
Old 6th August 2003
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Lyle, are you sure about this?

(News to me.) Never heard mention of it anywhere else...

It is bull****!

James
Old 6th August 2003
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Be nice, James. If it's bull****, it's Duffy's bull****, not mine. Can you back up the bull**** claim?
Old 21st October 2003
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G&R...Appetite for Destruction

Hey this is an old thread at the time I'm replying but for the archive I gotta reply. I don't have any inside scoop or friends that were involved with GNR's business or recording. I was just a kid at THAT age when it came out that happened to brush by them a couple time ala "Almost Famous". Lot of opinions in previous posts to them sucking or saving rock at the time. I guess it's all point of view. As a teenager in Seattle at that time all ears were to LA. I mean ALL ears. Even though the LA strip scene was well known and either ridiculed for being ******** or emulated in every parking lot in suburbia anyone doing music on the west coast paid attention to what came out of LA. Lots of stuff was going on there besides the hair rock thing. Having an uncle in a band in LA and family in the area I went down there every summer and always came home to relay to the other kids what was hot locally there. Like most kids into something we had our ears to the ground and it was cool with us far before it was cool with MTV/radio. Anyway GNR had a reputation in the clubs and on the street long before they ever had an album. Even before the Geffen/pseudo indie Live Like a Suicide. It was the sort of reputation any rebelious kid admired and it had little to do with music but the music had everything to do with the reputation and attitude. Well we got a hold of Live Like a Suicide as a special order from our local record shop. 4 songs repeated on either side. It was love. They sounded like AC/DC doing Aerosmith, looked like Hanio Rocks and the Dead Boys, and postured like the Sex Pistols or the Stones at their worst. Like I said. Love for 15 year old. In the Summer of 87 we ordered 3 copies of Appetite for Destruction as a special order by our record store. Imagine that. They weren't carrying it and weren't going to at the time. At the time Appetite for Destruction was a special order item. I'm sure Geffen had hopes for them but there was no big push initially. Poison was big and everything like them was coming out. GNR was a harsher pill and I bet now that at Geffen there was a lot of excitement but I'm sure not great expectations initially. Back to 87. That fall our same group of friends went to see GNR at the Paramount Theater in Seattle. They were opening up for the Cult who was having some underground success with Electric. To counter one of the previous posts the Cult were anything but a hair metal band. Their following up to that point was clearly in the goth/batcave crowd. The crowd there to see them were more of the Cure, Smiths, Sisters of Mercy crowd. Guns and Who?. In fact along the side of the theater where the busses were parked you could see up into the dressing rooms in back of the Theater. All these girls looking like Elvira were screaming and squealing IAN! for the the singer of the cult every time he walked by a window. Unnoticed to most the members and crew of GNR were hanging out right there in the parking lot around theire bus. We were awestruck. Appetite had been melting out teenage hormones for weeks and there they were. Axl was a bit stand offish and by himself just surveying the scene of Cult fans. We ended up accosting the rest of the band though. They were truly floored that they had a few rabid fans of their own. They explained that they had just done their first real tour supporting the Cult accross Canada and had been well received but felt completely anonymous. Steven in particular palled up to us. Maybe he was the most immature or just high and didn't care that he was hanging out with high school kids. He even snuck us back into the show after we skipped out after their set to catch up to them before they left. The show? I wish it was filmed. I'd say 85% crowd had never heard of them. Maybe a couple hundred there out of 3000 or so were there to see them. That was the GNR that made Appetite. They were still blown out trashy glam. They were obviously all ****ed up on something except maybe Axl. They still cared about the idealistic rock n roll lifestyle. There was no pretentions. Sloppy? Maybe at times. Sometimes they seemed like they were either going to fall off the stage or jump off to beat someone's ass. Rock and Roll swagger at it's finest. They owned that moment. They had everything to prove and nothing to prove. Every thing that came after for them was based on what they had at that time. I saw them a few times after that. Opening for Iron Maiden as Sweet Child was breaking in 88 and much later on the bloated stadium tour with Metallica in 91 as I spent the day fixing/rebuilding Marshall heads for Motorhead. Each time they were less and less potent. Their recordings to me reflected that. They weren't the kind of band to get by on concept or techinical competence. They got more competent and Axl started adding concept to things but they lost their mojo. IMO at the same time Steve Adler left. He may not have been a key force and maybe some sort of hinderance to them but his sacking to hire a pro drummer (as Matt Sorum unquestionably it) was just a sign that their mojo had left the building and they were just trying to hang on to what they lost in the transition from club band to celebrities. Appetite is a document as any classic album is. For a little while they had IT as much or more than anyone. After many years, my own attempts at rock, an electrical engineering degree, and a career in various corners of music and audio I can hear the album with an educated point of view technically and with an adult's maturity. **** the technical side of how tight they were. Or how deriviative they were. Or even that the album suffered from the same production conventions of most records of the time. They rocked. Hardest? No. Speed metal was at it's zenith in the late 80's and punk still had some point. If you were between a certain age. Partied, did drugs, and got laid. (or had fantasies of same). They did and did it to a T.
Old 21st October 2003
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As an update: GNR are out of the Village, and apparently working at Interscope's studio (the one on Colorado Ave).
Old 22nd October 2003
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Quote:
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why would they do that? I'm glad they're gone
Have you been there?! That studio is incredible, minus a good live room. I guess they only needed to do overdubs in a vocal booth at this point.
Old 22nd October 2003
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After the Live TV performance earlier this year I was thinking Axl needed less time in the studio and more time on the treadmill....



It will be intersting to hear what he has been up to all these years if this material ever sees the light of day though..
Old 22nd October 2003
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G&R..Appetite for destruction

At this point I'm waiting for AXL to hire Rodney Jerkins and Wycleff to try and save his bloated albatross as Michael Jackson attempted. Imagine they could have a co headlining tour titled "the million dollar albums nobody will buy" tour. Now what was the point.?
Old 23rd October 2003
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Originally posted by Steve Smith
After the Live TV performance earlier this year I was thinking Axl needed less time in the studio and more time on the treadmill....

It will be intersting to hear what he has been up to all these years if this material ever sees the light of day though..
How much you wanna bet that we'll hear a whole album from Velvet Revolver waaaaaayy before Axl has a release date for his masterpiece?
Old 23rd October 2003
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It's already tracked.
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