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When you suck but everyone loves it...
Old 20th March 2003
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When you suck but everyone loves it...

Had one of those days. Everything sounded like poo IMHO but the band was into it, and while A/Bing to other stuff the sounds held up well but still sucked compared to my past work IMHO. What do you do when that happens? I still beat myself up and it probably isn't the best thing to do. Oh well, at least I've got tomorrow to suck less.
Old 20th March 2003
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We all have those days...

I always focus on the "poo" potential during a session.
Trying to flushing the crap down the toilet, before anyone else hears it first. heh

I know, everyone's diggin' it but, we try to make it just a little better. There's nothing wrong with thinking our sh*t stinks ... as long as no one else smells it.


Don't stress too much about, beating yourself up. It may not be the best thing to do, but it isn't that bad if it helps you improve your work! It's the first step in making it better the next time you're at it.

At least you know how it shouldn't sound.
Old 20th March 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by slipperman
Never recorded or mixed anything I can listen to without squirming Jay.

Mean it.

I just try to have fun WHILE I'm doing it.

I pretty much REFUSE to listen to my own work once it's off the desk.
ho, I hear you

malice
Old 20th March 2003
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The worst is when it sucks, you FIX it, and they get some type of demo-itis' cousin and want you to change it back to "suck mode". The voice in the back of your mind says "Call label tommarow and make sure my name isn't on album credits"....
Old 20th March 2003
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I always think I suck after the mix is done - but 6 months later I'm smilling (most of the times )

Jo
Old 20th March 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by slipperman
Never recorded or mixed anything I can listen to without squirming...
You mean there are others out there besides me who feel this way? You've all given me a small ray of hope...
Old 20th March 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by studjo
I always think I suck after the mix is done - but 6 months later I'm smilling (most of the times )

Jo
I feel the same way about my stuff, except I'm smiling within a few weeks

Quote:
Originally posted by Tim L
You mean there are others out there besides me who feel this way? You've all given me a small ray of hope...
Many others... and counting.
Old 20th March 2003
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Originally posted by Tim L
You mean there are others out there besides me who feel this way? You've all given me a small ray of hope...
I think it's a period that everyne that does this goes through. You start out so excited by the fact that music has gone to tape and returned from it that everything sounds really cool. Then you start hearing more of the things that either didn't come back the same way they went in, or things that could have been better etc. It can last a lifetime, or you can try to find the happy medium.
Old 21st March 2003
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If you aren't having fun then this job ain't worth it. Unfortunatly this band was happy with the sounds but had zero personality. I'd crack a joke and maybe get a chuckle, even from my pirate joke. That kinda bummed me out. The incredible disappearing kick sucked too. No matter what I did with mic choice, placement, EQ or whatever it was just washed out by everything else. Drums by themselves and with either just guitars or just bass were great so what the hell was going on?

The ONLY thing that made it audible was when I gave up and put a trigger on it. I didn't even trigger a sample, just used the click from the strike. My room mics sounded really funky too. There was some weird phasing thing going on with the toms that I couldn't get rid of and after 20 minutes of moving mics around with headphones on I said screw it and started rolling. Ah well. Maybe I can salvage something when I mix it next week. If I can't make it sound good I'll at least make it interesting.
Old 21st March 2003
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Originally posted by Jay Kahrs
If I can't make it sound good I'll at least make it interesting.
I love it... Sometimes (maybe most of the time) I'd rather listen to something that is "interesting" than something that just sounds good.

ian
Old 21st March 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by slipperman
Doing the work is OFTEN very enjoyable for me.
Absolutely... very few sessions don't have at least some little 'bit -o- magic' to put a smile on my face.
Old 21st March 2003
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the toughest thing for me are bands/artists who havent heard the radio ( or anything, apparently) in about 15 years. it is usally on day 2 of the mix when this little fact somes out, right about when they want gates reverb on drums ala "tonight" and 17 seconds or rev on the vocal.. ( I may be exaggerating a bit..)

The odd thing is I liked music in the 80's I just hate all those "tricks" when they are out of context..
Old 21st March 2003
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If you love it you're doing a better job than someone who's in it for the Dough...

I'm mixing a record with one ear all stopped up from a head cold. That really sucks. I can't hardly tell if it's poo.
Old 21st March 2003
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If it is poo, at least you won't hear it.
Old 21st March 2003
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Jay writes:

Quote:
Everything sounded like poo IMHO but the band was into it, and while A/Bing to other stuff the sounds held up well but still sucked compared to my past work IMHO.
Sometimes you just have one of those days. Sometimes you're just mistaken. Sometimes it's the band.

Worrying about your performance a little is okay, since it shows you care about working at a professional level. But I wouldn't be too concerned unless it starts happening all the time.

You should, however, be concerned with your use of the word "poo."

Jasper
Old 22nd March 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Steve Smith
[B]the toughest thing for me are bands/artists who havent heard the radio ( or anything, apparently) in about 15 years. it is usally on day 2 of the mix when this little fact somes out, right about when they want gates reverb on drums ala "tonight" and 17 seconds or rev on the vocal.. ( I may be exaggerating a bit..)
[B]
HA! I went to Wendys with the guitar player/producer on last weeks project when we heard either Phil Collins or Genesis playing in the place. When he sat down I told him I had a GREAT idea for the drum sounds, we'll make 'em all like Phil Collins.

whhhhhhheeeeewwTHWACKkkkkkkkkkkkk.

Uh, maybe not.

And what's wrong with the word 'poo'?
Old 22nd March 2003
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And what's wrong with the word 'poo'?
It's kind of the gated reverb version of ****.

But it's way better than do-do, I guess. (insert smilie here)

Jasper
Old 22nd March 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jay Kahrs

And what's wrong with the word 'poo'?
Until recently, it indicated that the speaker either was, or spent too much time in the company of, someone under 5 years of age. Recently it has become one of those words that can be spoken on tv, and mean the same as ****, and is therefore used on tv, and therefore leaks into common usage.
Old 24th March 2003
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Either way it's not good to eat or step in.
Old 24th March 2003
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Or polish
Old 24th March 2003
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You can't polish a turd. But, you can dress it up like a bratwurst and hide it in the corner.

Would 'ca-ca' be better then 'poo'? And what about Mr. Hanky the X-mas Poo? Would he have to change his name?
Old 25th March 2003
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You can't polish a turd. But, you can dress it up like a bratwurst and hide it in the corner.
Yea... but that won't keep it from stinkin' up the room.
Old 25th March 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jay Kahrs
Would 'ca-ca' be better then 'poo'? And what about Mr. Hanky the X-mas Poo? Would he have to change his name?
The technical term would be excrement.

Personally I like the good basic anglo saxon ****. For some reason the more irish pronuniation ****e, gets past network censors. Crap works pretty well too.

Then again, why does one need a simile?

What you really wanted to say was that what you were working on sounded bad. There are lots of really good synonyms for bad.

After all, what does **** sound like? Taking a **** sounds like any number of things depending on circumstances, and that doesn't even get into variables of mics and processing.
Old 25th March 2003
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Speaking of semantics...

My girlfriend was looking over my shoulder when the mail came in. It was from GearSlutz and the topic read, "When you suck but everybody loves it..."

"Are subscribing to a porn site?" she asks.

That took some explaining.

Here are some other topics we might want to reconsider.

Guy has an equipment failure:
"What happens when you go down?"

Guy gets equipment to work:
"Good news, guys, I got it up!"

Guy has problem getting equipment to fit (which is bad enough):
"The rack's fine, but how do you mount this?"

You get the picture.

Jasper
Old 27th March 2003
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That's very funny Jasper.

----

Jay,

You can polish a turd, but there are a few steps you need to take before you proceed.

First:
Freeze the turd solid.

Second:
Once frozen, add varnish or polyurethane and let dry completely...

Now you can polish it anytime, anywhere without any stress. heh
Add a key chain and you're styling...

Important note:
It has been done already.
They sell varnished turds on a key chain in Texas.

Now turds can be polished, just like ca-ca bands with poo-poo arrangement, can be polished with PT.

No offense to all the polished turds out there. heh
Old 27th March 2003
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Texas....

When I drove through, they had walking canes made out of bull schlongs at the truck stop I gassed up at.
Old 30th March 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jay Kahrs


And what's wrong with the word 'poo'?
It just sound as sophisticated as poop.
Old 30th March 2003
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Um, is it just me or did this thread get slightly out of hand?
Old 30th March 2003
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Yeah, it's definitely out of hand. But it's one funny thread and I keep coming back to it, if for no other reason than to find out what other weird **** Texas produces.

Jasper
Old 31st March 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Mike Jasper
Yeah, it's definitely out of hand. But it's one funny thread and I keep coming back to it, if for no other reason than to find out what other weird **** Texas produces.

Jasper
Ya mean like the Bush Family?

- jon
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