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Old 3rd March 2003
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http://www.matamp.com/matamp.html

while yer out & about:

http://www.vintone.com/

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Old 3rd March 2003
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Originally posted by slipperman
I'm a huge fan of the TC Electronic Line driver for the front end of the JCM800. Sorta precludes the need for an additional tube in many cases. It's a combination I stole from Scott Ian of Anthrax 17 years ago. He still uses it(amongst other things) and so do I. The boxes are VERY hard and expensive to find used but do something no other overdrive stylee box(that I have ever heard or heard about) does.... Provide more gain structure with almost 0% coloration and 'fizz'. They are so clean (You've gotta use them on 'boost' not 'dist') you can use them as a decent mic pre in a pinch.
Yes, I got one of those TC's too. I bought it brand new, a very useful little box.

Any idea how much these puppies are going for today?

/Mats
Old 3rd March 2003
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Originally posted by alphajerk
and i want a zvex now... little nanohead. that thing is bitchin.

that thing looks awesome. have you actually tried one out?? whats the $$ on one of those??
Old 4th March 2003
  #34
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I have gotten some cool tones throught one of those Smokey Deluxe amps running through a Boogie 1x12 cab. Pretty cool little box. Especially for $29
Old 4th March 2003
  #35
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Hey slipperman, it's lectrolab, not electrolab, sorry.

Lectrolab R600 112 Combo

The amp has two channels, each with two inputs, as well as a tremelo. The amp also has a 12" speaker.I think the amp is late 50;s.It has 6v6 power tubes. 12AY7 preamp tubes.6SJ7 tremolo and 6X5GT rectefier.1/4 A volume and a tone knob for each channel and speed and intensity controls for the trem. Each of the inputs for each channel drives the power amp at differnt levels. The guy i bought it from told me lectrolab made all the early gibson amps.

Great for everything from surf to hard rock. What i really love about this amp, is that it really captures the vibe of the gutair you plug in to it.

If I have time, I'll try to post a picture.


Robocop
Old 4th March 2003
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I like the VHT Pitbull combo that I have here but I always have to twist arms to get people to try it. Recently I've been thinking about selling it and getting something else, probably a Fender of some kind or maybe an AC15 or AC30 if I got enough out of the VHT.

The 800 I have is the 2205, the channel switching, reverb & master volume deal. It really has a sweat spot where it starts to come alive, until you hit that spot though it kinda sucks.

The 4x10 Bassman can be a weird amp to record. Either it fits right or it doesn't work at all. The upper mids seem a bit peaky and weird to me at times. I'm not sure if it's the amp or the cab. Still, they're great amps but just not as versatile as something like a Deluxe.
Old 4th March 2003
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Yeah,
I guess I haven't heard a good bassman either! I've always preferred twins, supers, and deluxes much more. Are there any particularly good years for bassmans?
Old 4th March 2003
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I really like the sound of a Mesa Blue Angel head through a nice 2x12 or 1x12 cab, it gets a beautiful stinging clean sound, and is also capable of a vintage low down dirty grind - plus you have the flexibility to use 2 - 6V6's (15watts), 4 - EL84's (33 watts), or combine all 6 tubes (38 watts). I also dig the MusicMan Sixty Five Reverb head - incredible clean Fender tone.
Old 4th March 2003
  #39
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Quote:
Originally posted by slipperman
Everything FALLS....

Does anybody know what I mean by that?

Do I know what I mean by that?

HOHO.

I'm talking about in terms of LOSSY Dynamics.

A good thing in many instances.

Allright mister... explain that one. In 100 words or more.
Old 4th March 2003
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By FALLS You mean sag right?

Tube rectifiers sag a bit more than...

Blackface bassmans rock if tuned up properly and yes, they are a one trick pony. It's a damn good trick however.

The Diaz mod makes the bassman do an entirely different trick. One that i'd end up taking antibiotics for...
Old 4th March 2003
  #41
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well, i guess someone took care of the matamp link. anyway. its an orange without the nameplate... it USED to be Orange/MATAMP. still hand made one at a time i believe. fetch a high $$$ on the US market [$1800]

Orange makes KILLER cabinets too. anal ****s those POS marshall cabinets. pussy little twats. the ORANGE is HEAVY and THICK.... of course they cost twice as much.

the zvex, only heard the sound files but just from those, i HAVE to have one.... maybe two, again... that moogerfooger stereo setup im trying to get going. two phasers and two lp filters sync'd with a CP251... and loaded with expression pedals. i think the zvex go for $420.

the VHT is a real modern sound. i have been recording a 50 the past few weeks. on this album, a VHT pit50, an 800 grudge, a orange 120, a sound city 120, a 65[i think] fender bassman silverface [and i can get two sounds out of it... 3 maybe. balls. ballsier. and ballsiest, and i ALWAYS run the channels in serial... some reason i go into 2, over to 1... deep switch engaged]

i had an ampex solid state in a while back that had a decent buzztone distortion, at least the guitarist got a good tone out of it. royer 121 4' out in front in the sweet spot.
Old 4th March 2003
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oh, and the bassman... plug a bass in there and try to get a "traditional" sound and it falls apart. it just sucks the note out. but run that bad boy full ****ing on and the bass sounds like the bass in buddy guys sweet tea album. i like it so much that i think im gonna rock the bass in this band im putting together, got a guitarist, a drummer now, and a organ player. porn muthafunkin.
Old 4th March 2003
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Yeah, I think the bassman is better on bass than guitar. My fav bassman, is the blackface head.
Old 4th March 2003
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i had the sweetest setup for half the 80's, thanx to mary & electric lady. my band was in studio a for 2 weeks rehearsing for the tracking of our lp, and there was this mid-70's mark IIC that i'd used before & loved, so i asked mary if i could borrow it for the rehearsals. it was at that time that i was informed that the boogie had originally belonged to roy buchannan (an old idol of mine), & come down to 'lady via ray gomez. well, after i'd setup the boogie, i noticed this old cream-coloured vintage marshall quad/slant, which, after closer inspection, revealed a 4" x 10" configuration! this cab, in effect, turned what was a brutish, overly mid-rangey combo into the widest little class a setup on the planet! the beatles on steroids! so, knowing alan was strapped for cash, i grabbed mary into a corner & talked her into convincing alan to sell. he did. he wanted it back 2 weeks later, but it was on the road with me openin' up for satch. great amp, great jangle. honeyman-scott woulda loved it!


ml
Old 4th March 2003
  #45
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what about little amps?

Hi. (Hi Slipperman -- I'm still reading and learning!)

A couple of folks mentioned having the smaller Fender amps -- today I will be recording guitars and using, most likely, an old Fender vibrochamp, the choice of the guitarist. The other day we tried all sorts of things, mostly variations on a theme using combinations of SM57 up close and SE1000 further back, sometimes in front and sometimes in back of the cab, etc. (<i>Silicon Entourage</i> -- who thought that name up, anyway?). Oh yeah, the guy is playing cheap teles and strats.

All the stuff we put down the other day pretty much sucked, as far as I am concerned. Tinny, and too ambient. The player is happy with it, but he's in a hurry and just happy to have something finished. Today I want to talk him into redoing some of the earlier tracks and see if I can't improve on the sound a bit.

So, what are some more things I can try? We are looking for a classic sound, he's a big Stones fan and his album wants to be a country rock sort of thing. Any helpful ideas would be appreciated, so I can sound like I know what I am doing later on when I tell him I want to try some different things. There are some other amps in the house we could try, as well, Pro Junior, Bassman, a newer Hot Rod Deluxe .....

Yes, I am over my head both in terms of what I am trying to do and the folks from whom I am currently soliciting advice. But what the hell? I'm doing it anyway. Thanks in advance for any replies.
Old 4th March 2003
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A Les Paul into a cranked blackface champ is a total stones experience. try it you'll like it. If you're using a silverface go with the new fender cranked with low gain sttings unless the bassman is blackface, then crank it with a strat. The only way to get the champ really barking is a Les Paul or other guitar with some humbuckers.

FWIW don't be afraid of cranking the little amps up to get into the power tube compression effects. I suspect you're not gritting it out.
Old 4th March 2003
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Ouch- cheap teles and strats- that probably has way more to do with the tinny sound than the amp or mic. Maybe you could put on the next heavier gauge of strings for the rythm parts? I find that old fender amps respond well to heavier strings. By the same token, alot of modern amps can't handle them as well.
Old 4th March 2003
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You also might want to look back over some of my 'mic sweep' stuff in the PSW 'dist. guitars' thread.
Yes, I was taking notes!! Thanks for the reply.


... and to the others as well ... yes, we need to crank it more (we're out in the country so that's no problem ....) and you've reminded me about the strings, another issue I wanted to bring up with this guy, just in terms of "newness" but heavier guage is not a bad idea, either. We'll try it! Thanks again.
Old 4th March 2003
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I have a space echo around for thin sounding guitars. There is something about running the guitar through w/ the echo on bypass, but with the voluma knob cranked. It gets a nice little grit.
Old 4th March 2003
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Rockin' old amps

Old "restored" amps are turning on guitar players at my little joint.

I've got a 1962 Bassman that is really turning heads. It was extensively rebuilt, including new power supply caps. Every cap and resistor not in spec was replaced. The circuit was also taken back a few years for better tone. I'd say it's more than a one trick pony. Most of the people over 22 years old that have tried it have asked to buy it. Running it through a Marshall 4x10 cabinet. Cost me about $250 for the head and $325 for restoration.

Another gas from the past is my Ampeg Reverb Rocket II, also fully restored. Feature-wise it has all the controls of a Deluxe Reverb, but the tone is all Ampeg. The owner's registration sticker inside is dated February 1967. The shop that rebuilt it asked if I would sell it to them. Talk about clean...... Bought it for $300 (a steal), restoration cost about $225.

My 72 Deluxe Reverb is being rebuilt now. 1972 Super Reverb is next.

Rock on,

wurly
Old 4th March 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by slipperman
Dying laughing.

The oldest trick in the book.

Good looking out G-man.

SM.
Did I embarass myself just now ? Yeah, I'm sure it is an old trick! Let's throw in using the gain knob on an elctro-harmonix envelop filter, w/out the filter engaged
Old 4th March 2003
  #52
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Re: what about little amps?

Mixervixen, crank the amp up. Get the power tubes to saturate. I just tracked a record with mostly older Fender amps. The one guitar player was married to a silverface Princeton combo and a 2x12 with Vintage 30's. There was a huge differance in tone between 6 and 8 1/2. ****, even 8 vs. 8.5 was pretty massive. Maybe use an EQ pedal in front of the amp with the gain turned up if you need to kick it a bit harder.

Anyway, get the amp to sound good and then pick a mic and sweep it around until the amp gives it up. Towards the center/dust cap will be brighter, closer to the edge is mellow. If you have a mic pre with iron in it use that.
Old 4th March 2003
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Fender Blackface "Woman Tone"
volume-9-7
treble-10-8
mids-6-4
bass-4-3

rolloff your tone off all the way, and then slowly turn it to treble until you find the sweetspot.
Old 4th March 2003
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i love to put a 57 up to the front speaker of and open back cab and another out of phase crammed in the back

play with the blend and i get the fat bottom boost that i didn't even know i was craving

i'm sure others before ted templeman did it

i'd love to know what early clapton recordings did

Old 4th March 2003
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Speaking strictly as a guitarist: for that Keef thing it is very important that guitar is VERY in tune all across the fretboard, so take care when you change your string gauge that you make the neccesary adjustments at the bridge. Also: forget everything about the low E string (might even want to take it off). Part of the Keith thing (IMHO) is to allow quite a lot of thickness on the thinner strings, and the low string resonating can easily 'choke' the amp and result in the sound become less focused.

You might also want to try a Fulltone Fulldrive II overdrive in the non-comp mode to take just a tad of the sizzly high end of the guitar. Apart from a general 'fattening' effect on the sound it is also a great overdrive.
Old 4th March 2003
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Preben, You are totally right about the low string/frequency thing.

That's why on my blackface tone settings, i have the bass from 4-3; anything more and it can choke the speaker/amp. Now, for a clean tone- that goes out the window- I'm only talking about when you are pushing the amp.
Old 5th March 2003
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Originally posted by G-man
Preben, You are totally right about the low string/frequency thing.

That's why on my blackface tone settings, i have the bass from 4-3; anything more and it can choke the speaker/amp. Now, for a clean tone- that goes out the window- I'm only talking about when you are pushing the amp.
I agree, but why is it, that the last 100 ****blasters I've had in here have had the bass knobs on their homer 1000 on 10?grudge
Oh and don't try to change their "sound", because now that these pornsurfers have amassed a total of 20 hours in a studio they have got it covered.
Is this still a problem once you start recording the starsheh
daniel
Old 5th March 2003
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Re: Rockin' old amps

Quote:
Originally posted by wurly
Old "restored" amps are turning on guitar players at my little joint.

Another gas from the past is my Ampeg Reverb Rocket II, also fully restored. Feature-wise it has all the controls of a Deluxe Reverb, but the tone is all Ampeg. The owner's registration sticker inside is dated February 1967. The shop that rebuilt it asked if I would sell it to them. Talk about clean...... Bought it for $300 (a steal), restoration cost about $225.
Have you heard anything about the re-issue Reverbarockets? I had one of the 15Watt models a while back but I dumped it because it wasn't versatile enough. The larger models look pretty nice though.

I recently "rescued" a 1960's Supro Thunderbolt amp from some old guys basement. He told me it was busted and that he was going to throw it out one of these days. I asked him if I could take it instead and he agreed.

I had a guy replace the Rectifier tube, re-connected a few wires and it works great now. It's got the original tubes and a 15" Jenson speaker. I haven't messed with it much though since I haven't replace the 2- pronged power cord yet. I'm afraid to fry myself with this thing!
Old 5th March 2003
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restored amps

I haven't heard the new Ampeg Reverb Rockets. My Reverb Rocket II is about 20 watts, using those wacky obscure formerly discontinued power tubes that Ampeg loved so much.

So far my experience with old amps is that they're just old amps until they're fully rebuilt. At that point they go from being curiousities that get tried ocassionally and rarely tracked, to being must have, knock your socks off, secret weapons.

If you've never done it, get one of your oldies redone. If you're in a major market there should be a few shops or technicians that specialize in such work. Or if you're skeptical, ask to try somone elses's old restored amp.

All of my stuff "worked" before it was rebuilt, but in reality it was just barely working. The difference between old and working and old and rebuilt is incredible.

wurly
Old 5th March 2003
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Hi.

Well, had a great session yesterday. It took a bit of talking to get my guy to admit the previous tracks were not okay, but once we were past that we started making real progress getting better sounds out of his little champ. It was the first time we had worked alone together, without a couple of his cronies in the room second-guessing my decisions, so he was sorta forced to rely on my judgement on these sorts of things. (To be honest, his cronies are my friends too, and I respect their opinions, but being without them also gave me the confidence to try things my own way. And that's a good thing.) I explained that we were going to spend awhile getting set up, he was a bit disgruntled but let me do my thing. Great moment as he's sort of tapping his foot, fiddling with the guitar and listening on the headphones, waiting for me to finish putzing around with the microphone, when all of a sudden he says "whoa! what did you do? This thing sounds great!!" Guess I hit the sweet spot! (I used just the 57 this time, no blending with other mics, amp facing into the corner with an "echo muff" foam thingy a few feet behind it, so it was sort of in an enclosed space) So we spent some more time adjusting the amp volume vs. guitar volume, got the sound we wanted, and finished all the guitar tracking for his project. Every once in while I would make a small adjustment to alter the amount of room ambience I let in depending on the song. He left at the end of the day thinking I am some sort of "tone diva." I love it.

So, thanks again for the advice. Very basic stuff, always worth repeating.
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