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Old 8th April 2020
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I own Warbler I and WIID and tried WII.

Depending on the source WII appears slightly brighter, but not much. The focus in the midrange is different. WI has more lows and is overall flatter.

Also there is a difference in percieved brightness in the models II vs. IID. As kidvibes figured out, there is a different coupling cap used in the D-versions wich results in a slight improvements of transients and small detail resolution.

Personally I don't see it necessarily as an improvement, but I prefer D-models for instruments like acoustic guitar, where I want a cleaner, or faster, capture. For vocals the non-D-versions sound "bigger". More expensive, if you want.

Regarding the voicing option: In five years of constant use I have not used it. If anything, I may want them slightly brighter, not darker. That may be a vote for a WVI. That said, the mic's are pure magic and I use them all the time!
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Old 8th April 2020
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I only own the MKID and I absolutely love it, but I agree that it's not bright. It's not dull or muffled, either, there's plenty of top end and it takes EQ well if needed, it's just relatively smooth and even. I do often end up subtly boosting some highs with whatever channel strip I'm using at the moment (usually Waves REDD.51 or Brainworx Console_G). But I only ever leave it on "Voicing 1," the least dark of all of them.

Since I last posted on this thread I've made a few more recordings with the Warbler on collaborative sessions and random jazz crap. Clips for the bored and curious.





Old 9th April 2020
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Have you ever tried a dark condenser mic? The SM7B is a dynamic mic... not really “darker”... though it could be that too... it’s really just not nearly as hot as the condenser mics you mentioned (all three of which I have owned, still have the C214 and SM7B). If you haven’t yet, see if you can demo a U47 or something similar.

I’m not sure how to really offer up advice without knowing what your voice is like, what kind of music you make, etc... I have a ****load of mics and I’m constantly surprised how well one might fit any given voice. Those who say try them in your space are wise. I know it’s not always possible... what I do is buy them used, with the idea that I can sell them without losing a ton... but I usually just keep them
No, I don't think I've tried a darker condenser like you're talking about. I don't think I'll be able to demo a U47. I do know that my voice sounds much better on the Studio Projects B1 and its brighter though than the C214. I feel like the MKVID would be the safest bet since it can be both bright and dark, where the other mics kind of have normal or slightly dark sound, and get darker. I was wondering how the differences would take compression.

Its just pop stuff I guess, electric guitars or some rock type instruments in there sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Jule View Post
I own Warbler I and WIID and tried WII.

Depending on the source WII appears slightly brighter, but not much. The focus in the midrange is different. WI has more lows and is overall flatter.

Also there is a difference in percieved brightness in the models II vs. IID. As kidvibes figured out, there is a different coupling cap used in the D-versions wich results in a slight improvements of transients and small detail resolution.

Personally I don't see it necessarily as an improvement, but I prefer D-models for instruments like acoustic guitar, where I want a cleaner, or faster, capture. For vocals the non-D-versions sound "bigger". More expensive, if you want.

Regarding the voicing option: In five years of constant use I have not used it. If anything, I may want them slightly brighter, not darker. That may be a vote for a WVI. That said, the mic's are pure magic and I use them all the time!
Yea, I definitely noticed that with the D versions. I feel like they are a hair less sibilant as well. I wonder, is it better to get the one that has the low end and high end I like, then dial them back it I need to, or the one that doesn't and try to add it if I need to.

I think maybe they are both just so good sounding to me its hard to choose lol. Like good sounding mic A, or good sounding mic B.
Old 10th April 2020
  #454
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I have MKVI and i'm using all vocings. I also tought it's better to have brighter option so i bought MKVI instead of MKI but lately i'm using mostly voicing 2 for (male) vocal. Voicing 1 can sound a little bit thin and nasal on some vocals. I also use used Voicing 3 (darkest) for gloomy ballad, it sounds great. If i had money i woud buy mkIV as this is the sound i've been missing.
Old 10th April 2020
  #455
Thinking about picking up a pair of MKVIDs in a few days, or getting a pair of CAD M179s (maybe the 3 pack) as well. It's kind of between those two choices. I feel like the MKVID will cover more ground, but I really like the extra patterns on the M179.
Old 11th April 2020
  #456
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Buy warblers ;-)
Old 11th April 2020
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@ Dohreetoh I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the Warblers. I've never used CADs but 3U for me so far is a solid, great-sounding professional tool with what seems to be excellent quality control.

Here's another remote-collaboration project from today with my MKID recording three stacks of tenor saxophone. Hey, we're still stuck at home, so...

Old 13th April 2020
  #458
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3U Audio CM-1 Black in action, with a brownish voice singing ab English folk song.

https://youtu.be/zvI5TX3gnZs

There's a little compression, a touch of demudding, and some reverb.

Gavin
Old 13th April 2020
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@ Dohreetoh I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the Warblers. I've never used CADs but 3U for me so far is a solid, great-sounding professional tool with what seems to be excellent quality control.

Here's another remote-collaboration project from today with my MKID recording three stacks of tenor saxophone. Hey, we're still stuck at home, so...

Went with the CAD for now because it was on sale on Amazon and there was only one. Just sold that CM100 I've been trying to sell to a fellow user on here, which covered about a third of the CAD M179 price.

I do plan to get some Warblers at some point though. I'm thinking maybe the MKIVD (251 flavour) or MKVID (C800G-U87ai-U87 flavours). I'm interested to find out what the MKIVD sounds like with the darker voicings.
Old 14th April 2020
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@ Dohreetoh I hope you like the CAD! They have a lot of fans, for sure, and I'm always in favor of solid-but-affordable gear.

I think at some point if I get another Warbler it'll be a MKVID. If there's anything I'd change about the MKID it would be a little bit more open high end. It takes EQ so well that it's kind of a wash, all I have to do is bump some highs in my channel strip or EQ du jour, and the natural evenness of the mic makes it so easy to record with. But a little extra natural sparkle on top might be nice!

That being said... I'll probably be ponying up for an actual u87ai this year, after work picks back up post-Corona (Odin willing).
Old 17th April 2020
  #461
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This is not an extensive demo by any means, but this spoken word comparison made for a friend might give you an idea, as it includes the CM-1 black and the CAD M179.



I've got two of the M179s, and find them useful mics.

I've used them for recording instruments, including piano and percussion, and a variety of voices, where they work or don't as is the way with LDCs. I've even used them successfully for recording roomfuls of singers using omni-based mid-side, and I'd have no fear of using them in omni as spaced pairs for the same purpose.

For what I do (see an earlier post, it's a bit off the beaten track) they have a shiny 6kHz peak that often needs to be pulled down a bit... and a 3kHz peak that sometimes needs a bit of attention too. You'll read that elsewhere too.

I mean some time to explore how to eq them to make them sound more like my sE4400as and my 3U Audio CM-1 blacks. I'm curious to know whether it can be done.

Gavin
Old 17th April 2020
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Thanks for the shootout, it reflects my experiences with this microphones. ...and makes me want a SE 4400a

Two main observations
- room tone is very different in level and on a scale from nice to nasty, so to say. CM1 handles this very nice by the way.
- I think I'm still no AT type. AT mics just never touch me.
Old 17th April 2020
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@ Dohreetoh
I think at some point if I get another Warbler it'll be a MKVID. If there's anything I'd change about the MKID it would be a little bit more open high end. It takes EQ so well that it's kind of a wash, all I have to do is bump some highs in my channel strip or EQ du jour, and the natural evenness of the mic makes it so easy to record with. But a little extra natural sparkle on top might be nice!

That being said... I'll probably be ponying up for an actual u87ai this year, after work picks back up post-Corona (Odin willing).
Could have been written by me.
Cheers
Old 18th April 2020
  #464
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Thanks for the shootout, it reflects my experiences with this microphones. ...and makes me want a SE 4400a

Two main observations
- room tone is very different in level and on a scale from nice to nasty, so to say. CM1 handles this very nice by the way.
- I think I'm still no AT type. AT mics just never touch me.
I'd agree re the room sound. I find the AT4040 a bit wide - maybe because of its smaller diaphragm. I've kept it for some years, as I feel it'll be useful someday in a well treated area.

I'd agree also regarding the CM-1 and the 4400a. The M179 had a very definite sound of its own, I think, and the se2200 was a bit shinier, and less to my taste.

With my voice, I need a bit of detail, but too much brings in the sibilance. The CM-1 and the 4400a
do well on that, for me.

G
Old 30th April 2020
  #465
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Use the pads!

Use the pads on your 3U Audio-microphones!

As I posted earlier regarding the CM1-Teals, the pad lowers the capsule polarisation voltage and results in a slight tonal shift. The same thing happens to my Warbler IID. Just bigger, softer, wider. If you can live/deal with the noise (more so on the WII obviously because of the lower sensivity) it's a welcome sonic alternative.

Some quiet Hölderlin as an example. Neve style pre. Enjoy!
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Old 18th May 2020
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Here's another one, more improvisation shed-time on a great Sonny Rollins tune. Warbler MKID in cardioid, voicing 1, which seems to be where I leave it these days (unless I'm teaching a Skype lesson in which case I switch it to Omni and bump the gain a fair amount).

My wife and I moved into a new place a couple weeks ago so the new studio room is very much a work-in-progress! There's only a fraction of the acoustic treatment that will be there in the long run. But it's a fairly large room and already sounds decent. Gonna add some furniture, shelves, absorbers, and diffusers before long, and then it should be reasonably stellar for tracking!

Old 23rd May 2020
  #467
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Does anyone know why the GZ800 isn't available anymore?
I'm looking for recordings and all the french guy's are offline. Can anyone care to upload some of the FET version?
Old 20th June 2020
  #468
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I,m very happy with my Wrabler VI, but I always wanted it to sound a bit cleaner. So I tried different capacitors: Elna Silmic 22uf and the output ERO (VISHAY) 1822 MKT 4.7uf

Not so much difference as with cheaper mics, but there is.
What you like more?
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Old 20th June 2020
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I actually think the mod made it a bit clearer, thanks for posting LevinGuitar.
Old 21st June 2020
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Longing for a GZ800?

Yes, thanks for posting.

BTW, do you own SDCs?
Old 21st June 2020
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I,m very happy with my Wrabler VI, but I always wanted it to sound a bit cleaner. So I tried different capacitors: Elna Silmic 22uf and the output ERO (VISHAY) 1822 MKT 4.7uf

Not so much difference as with cheaper mics, but there is.
What you like more?
There is a big difference between the pre-mod and the elna version. The elna version is less cloudy and more clear high end. Not sure if the ERO version is a big improvement though, tonally it seems a bit different.
Old 21st June 2020
  #472
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I was impressed by the GZ67fet audio smples against the U87 posted here so I'm trying to get something like that. I still have more output caps to try and a AMI T13. I will upload more mods.
Old 20th August 2020
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Originally Posted by Dr. Jule View Post
Use the pads on your 3U Audio-microphones!

As I posted earlier regarding the CM1-Teals, the pad lowers the capsule polarisation voltage and results in a slight tonal shift. The same thing happens to my Warbler IID. Just bigger, softer, wider. If you can live/deal with the noise (more so on the WII obviously because of the lower sensivity) it's a welcome sonic alternative.

Some quiet Hölderlin as an example. Neve style pre. Enjoy!
I will try....
Old 2 weeks ago
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Hadn't posted any of my recent electro-jazz-funk tracks on this thread in a while, so here are a couple from the last few weeks, why not. Warbler MKID in cardioid, voicing 1, no pad. I still love this mic.



Old 1 week ago
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I'd agree re the room sound. I find the AT4040 a bit wide - maybe because of its smaller diaphragm. I've kept it for some years, as I feel it'll be useful someday in a well treated area.
I said I hoped I'd find a use for my AT4040s one day, and I have. With a foam windshield, HPF onand set at about 6in they make great spoken word mic for my voice.

I guess it's the 2dB cut from 2 kHz that I've read you typically get from foam, though I've noticed that foam windshields vary...

Curiosity drove me to lash out in a CM1 Teal: I'm interested to see how they will compare with and without the foam.

Gavin
Old 1 week ago
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I said I hoped I'd find a use for my AT4040s one day, and I have. With a foam windshield, HPF onand set at about 6in they make great spoken word mic for my voice.

I guess it's the 2dB cut from 2 kHz that I've read you typically get from foam, though I've noticed that foam windshields vary...

Curiosity drove me to lash out in a CM1 Teal: I'm interested to see how they will compare with and without the foam.

Gavin
Here's my quick spoken word comparison of the AT4040 with foam windshield, and the CM1 black and teal SE models without windshields.

All mics set to HPF on. Mics were to one side pointing at my mouth at 6in.

I'd say on this particular source, the AT4040 with windshield is quite like the CM1 Teal, though the teal may be warmer - but I'm 64 and a musician, so have fairly tired ears. Others may know better!

https://youtu.be/CBSHX8JEo_k

Gavin
Old 1 week ago
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Here's my quick spoken word comparison of the AT4040 with foam windshield, and the CM1 black and teal SE models without windshields.
I thought The AT4040 had an exaggerated low end disembodied from the voice. The CM1 Black was too sibilant for my taste (as was the AT4040 to a lesser extent). I liked the Teal the best - and not just because I just got one in - I'd not be taking out the de-esser for that. I'm planning on picking up a CM1 Black when the SE model is released any day now - just to have a Neumann capsule flavor vs the AKG capsule flavor of the Teal.

I wish there had been an AT2020 in there too as I have one but I suppose I could do my own comparison .

P.S. I'm 65 but have been using earplugs since ~1980. Last I checked one ear is good to 16K, the other to 15K but I used to hear up to about 22K.
Old 1 week ago
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Here's my quick spoken word comparison of the AT4040 with foam windshield, and the CM1 black and teal SE models without windshields.

All mics set to HPF on. Mics were to one side pointing at my mouth at 6in.

I'd say on this particular source, the AT4040 with windshield is quite like the CM1 Teal, though the teal may be warmer - but I'm 64 and a musician, so have fairly tired ears. Others may know better!

https://youtu.be/NXNcKJ1LvT4

Gavin

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I thought The AT4040 had an exaggerated low end disembodied from the voice. The CM1 Black was too sibilant for my taste (as was the AT4040 to a lesser extent). I liked the Teal the best - and not just because I just got one in - I'd not be taking out the de-esser for that. I'm planning on picking up a CM1 Black when the SE model is released any day now - just to have a Neumann capsule flavor vs the AKG capsule flavor of the Teal.

I wish there had been an AT2020 in there too as I have one but I suppose I could do my own comparison .

P.S. I'm 65 but have been using earplugs since ~1980. Last I checked one ear is good to 16K, the other to 15K but I used to hear up to about 22K.
I think exactly the same of RoadRanger! and CM1 SE is also more airy...
Old 1 week ago
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P.S. I'm 65 but have been using earplugs since ~1980. Last I checked one ear is good to 16K, the other to 15K but I used to hear up to about 22K.
I don't own a 2020, but I do have an SE2200a, and find that more sibilant than the CM1 Black.

Listening again this morning (things were a bit busy last night) and on different I can hear what you mean about the low frequencies, sibilance and the Teal - I've got to watch the proximity effect more carefully if I'm going to use the AT4040. I guess it's 8-9in rather than 6in in future.

I'll use the Teal for some work v/o things this week and see how I get on. The comparison I should have made is with the SE4400a.

I think the strong response low down is what some folks use the AT4040 for.

You're doing well - I don't think my ears go above 12kHz, and I think that owes something to playing a fiddle...

I think my idea has to be to use either mics I can trust in the range where I can't hear them, or that don't do much in the area I can't register.

G
Old 21 hours ago
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Here's my quick spoken word comparison of the AT4040 with foam windshield, and the CM1 black and teal SE models without windshields.
https://youtu.be/CBSHX8JEo_k
You took it down? :(
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