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Old 22nd November 2017
  #331
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It could be but I never changed the gain or limiter, also the ISK has a bit more bass (even with rolloff) so that could be adding more volume.. Or the mic's just a little bit hotter.

It was just a case of sling the mic's up and sing, didn't do anything scientific with it ..
Yeah no doubt. Thanks for posting.

We can always download and level match them ourselves if we want to hear a more objective comparison. Nice to hear that iSK next to the GZ67 (which I know well). I’ve always thought about picking one of those up.
Old 23rd November 2017
  #332
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Ya, thanks for sharing, it’s really nice to hear the different characters of these 2 models.
I own microphones from both iSK and 3u, and both these brands far outperform anything else in their price range, and even considerably higher.
Old 26th November 2017
  #333
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has anyone a/b'd a ksm32 against any of the transformerless offerings from 3U?
Old 27th November 2017
  #334
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That's a tough call. I dig them both in various situations. I find I can't really pick a favorite. I think the CM100s are exceptionally clear and detailed and I think the 127s have a nice transformer-softening going on. More color.

Those are kind of generic descriptions of transformerless vs transformer-coupled but that's totally how they behave. I just like them both for different things.
Thanks, Ragan. I think I will start with a pair of cm100. Do you think that cardiod flat capsules would be a better choice than cardiods? specially for drums. And I will see if I can go for a Warbler ID to get more bottom end in omni. Thanks!
Old 12th December 2017
  #335
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WHOA, the ISK blew him off on every aspect.

Impressive.
Comparing a tube mic to a FET mic is a little odd in the first place, like apples to oranges. Also it would be instructive to hear these two mics in the mix, to see which mic sits/cuts better.
Old 13th December 2017
  #336
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Comparing a tube mic to a FET mic is a little odd in the first place, like apples to oranges. Also it would be instructive to hear these two mics in the mix, to see which mic sits/cuts better.
Good point.

I thought that for this particular application the ISK was not sitting on the same quality level then the other.
Old 13th December 2017
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Comparing a tube mic to a FET mic is a little odd in the first place, like apples to oranges. Also it would be instructive to hear these two mics in the mix, to see which mic sits/cuts better.
When it comes to vocals it doesn't matter if they're apples, oranges or treacle.. You select the best application relevant to the song / singer, whether that be a FET / Tube / Dynamic or Ribbon..

Time limiting of course you'll only try a select few.

How it cuts is dependant on your skill to make it fit, you'll have an easier time with the GZ67FET because it's more mid forward although having experience with more layed back "hi-fi" mics, I know to carve a bit of extra space for them..

In the low end the ISK is remenisent of Samsons upper end mic's (like the MTR231, which costs about as much as the ISK), just without the absymal quality issues of the Samson (amongst other things) and in the upper bracket probably the likes of the Sony C800G with a bit more "tube" grit..

Although its been a while since I've heard a C800 in person, the price tag is a bit rich for my blood..

I'm happy to stick it in a short mix scenario though..
Old 13th December 2017
  #338
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When it comes to vocals it doesn't matter if they're apples, oranges or treacle.. You select the best application relevant to the song / singer, whether that be a FET / Tube / Dynamic or Ribbon..
Of course, but it still depends on the context, unless you're recording accapella. A mic can sound great soloed but still not work as well in a mix.

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Time limiting of course you'll only try a select few.

How it cuts is dependant on your skill to make it fit, you'll have an easier time with the GZ67FET because it's more mid forward although having experience with more layed back "hi-fi" mics, I know to carve a bit of extra space for them..
Right, but if you can choose the best mic for the situation beforehand, you have a lot less "carving" to do. Some tube mics can sound very sonorous on their own but not cut as well, as you mentioned having an easier time with the FET mic. All I'm saying is that context is important, which is why I'd like to hear them in a mix...
Old 13th December 2017
  #339
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Good point.

I thought that for this particular application the ISK was not sitting on the same quality level then the other.
Without any context we don't have a clue as how well the mic really works. I agree that by itself the ISK sounds more attractive, but it might not work as well in the mix.
Old 13th December 2017
  #340
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Without any context we don't have a clue as how well the mic really works. I agree that by itself the ISK sounds more attractive, but it might not work as well in the mix.
Again, good point, we never know.

Let's see what we can do with it here.

@ShadowAMD , could you do a quick track ( like a cover or something ) using both mic side by side and using them both in 2 different track ?

Maybe Playon got a point, skeptic but only asking to be proved wrong.

Lets do this
Old 13th December 2017
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Again, good point, we never know.

Let's see what we can do with it here.

@ShadowAMD , could you do a quick track ( like a cover or something ) using both mic side by side and using them both in 2 different track ?

Maybe Playon got a point, skeptic but only asking to be proved wrong.

Lets do this
Aye, I'm currently working on a track so I'll stick something together.. It takes me ages to make a song so it'll be a scratch track, don't expect miracles ...
Old 13th December 2017
  #342
We're not here to judge you but your mics

Just lay down a 60 seconds example with a guitar in the background and that will be just fine.

That's what they call music nowadays anyway
Old 22nd January 2018
  #343
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Does anyone have clips of the warbler mkII or gz47 fet? Especially curious about these two vs the new Beesneez Oliver Fet, which I haven’t heard any clips of either.
I’m very interested in the Oliver Fet or one of the warbler mics, mkID, mkII or the gz47 fet

Maybe this would be best posted in the other warbler thread?
Old 10th March 2018
  #344
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All vocals and clarinet with a gz67:

Dropbox - KemppainenMIX5_tasa.mp3
Old 13th March 2018
  #345
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[IQUOTE=askomiko;13192089]All vocals and clarinet with a gz67:

Dropbox - KemppainenMIX5_tasa.mp3[/QUOTE]

Hi Askomiko,

Is that the mythical gz67 tube mic?
Old 13th March 2018
  #346
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Gz67fet to clarify, I didn't know there's a tube version? Or is there.... :D
Old 13th March 2018
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There's definitely a tube version out there, and one person in the wild who bought one. I've been curious to hear it, but- in all honestly- the GZ67 FET that you've got, here, sounds great.

Nice work!
Old 13th March 2018
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I still really enjoy the GZ67FET’s. Really nice mics.
Old 17th April 2018
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This thread has made me fall madly in love with the GZ67fet. Sounds like the way I mix my vocals with my TS-2. If anyone has one for sale, I'd buy it off of you ASAP.
Old 25th April 2018
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I used the Warbler MKID into a Focusrite Scarlett on the vocals for my song "Bone White Moon" - Luke MacDonald - Bone White Moon on Vimeo
Old 25th April 2018
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Anyone ever tried a Warbler MKID in a 1073 clone ?

Care sharing experiences ?
Old 25th April 2018
  #352
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It takes a while but I get there.. I'm currently just finishing off sorting out my mic collection and selling off whatever I don't need, can't believe what I've collected and how many mics are just sat there collecting dust. So I WILL finally get around to recording a small track for comparison, be very interested in what else I can sell off ..

I currently have a Neumann U67, Neumann U89I, GZ67FET (of course), Mojave 201FET, ISK 2B, SM58's / 57's, AKG (C7?).. I sold my Mojave MA-1000, 2X SM7B's, my MD441 (because the U89I does hyper / super card and it's better at it IMO), AT4050 again replaced with U89..

The one I'm after getting rid of the most if the U67 but I can't seem to part with it, be REALLY interesting to hear if it's really worth the price tag on my vox..
Old 26th April 2018
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Originally Posted by ShadowAMD View Post
It takes a while but I get there.. I'm currently just finishing off sorting out my mic collection and selling off whatever I don't need, can't believe what I've collected and how many mics are just sat there collecting dust. So I WILL finally get around to recording a small track for comparison, be very interested in what else I can sell off ..

I currently have a Neumann U67, Neumann U89I, GZ67FET (of course), Mojave 201FET, ISK 2B, SM58's / 57's, AKG (C7?).. I sold my Mojave MA-1000, 2X SM7B's, my MD441 (because the U89I does hyper / super card and it's better at it IMO), AT4050 again replaced with U89..

The one I'm after getting rid of the most if the U67 but I can't seem to part with it, be REALLY interesting to hear if it's really worth the price tag on my vox..
Nice collection! No sdc?
Old 26th April 2018
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Nice collection! No sdc?
Two Schoeps MK5's, I only have one Ribbon which is an AEA R92.. Don't often use them as vocal mics though. Nowadays I only do this for myself and there's so many decent low end mic's out there in 2018 it's becoming increasingly difficult to justify keeping them around..
Old 18th May 2018
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So, my GZ67fet arrived today, and I've been testing it side by side against my Chameleon Labs TS-2 for the past 6 hours. I thought the less top end and more forward mids would work well with my voice, but boy was wrong. To my ears, my voice sounds fairly better on the TS-2. The GZ is too dark and mid forward on my vocals. Compared to the GZ67fet, the TS-2 sounds like it's already processed. It cuts through the mix quite better, in my opinion. I didn't think the difference in the top end would be this... well... different. The GZ67fet still sounds damn good, but I don't really need it for the time being. So, if anyone needs a day old GZ67fet, $500 and it's yours. I don't feel like sending it back to China. I know one's a tube and all, but I had hope. Maybe the GZ47fet would be more of my taste. I love the TS-2, but something with slightly less top end air and slightly more mid forward would be lovely. I'm looking at either the Telefunken AK-47 MkII, or the GZ47fet... Though, I sold my A Designs P-1, so I couldn't run the GZ67fet through my JLM LA500A Compressor. No phantom power.... So maybe not the GZ route until I buy another preamp.

This song is not to be taken seriously. I was joking around, lol.
  • Quality: WAV/48hz/24bit
  • Interface: Audient ID14
  • Low Cut: Roll off at 306 Hz with NI's Solid EQ & 277 Hz for the doubles.
  • Comp: -7 with Black Rooster's VLA-2A. (Input levels were dead even. Same exact comp settings on both recordings.)
  • Doubles: DrMS (36% Zoom, 10.9 millisec delay)

TS-2 (Raw)
https://app.box.com/file/293322565082

GZ67fet (Raw)
https://app.box.com/file/293322433911

TS-2 (Low Cut & Comp)
https://app.box.com/file/293322558617

GZ67fet (Low Cut & Comp)
https://app.box.com/file/293322425732

TS-2 (Full Mix Raw)
https://app.box.com/file/293322453153

GZ67fet (Full Mix Raw)
https://app.box.com/file/293322390186

TS-2 (Full Mix Low Cut & Comp)
https://app.box.com/file/293322390715

GZ67fet (Full Mix Low Cut & Comp)
https://app.box.com/file/293322252732

Last edited by YaBoyJDub; 18th May 2018 at 07:36 AM..
Old 18th May 2018
  #356
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So, my GZ67fet arrived today, and I've been testing it side by side against my Chameleon Labs TS-2 for the past 6 hours. I thought the less top end and more forward mids would work well with my voice, but boy was wrong. To my ears, my voice sounds fairly better on the TS-2. The GZ is too dark and mid forward on my vocals. Compared to the GZ67fet, the TS-2 sounds like it's already processed. It cuts through the mix quite better, in my opinion. I didn't think the difference in the top end would be this... well... different. The GZ67fet still sounds damn good, but I don't really need it for the time being. So, if anyone needs a day old GZ67fet, $500 and it's yours. I don't feel like sending it back to China. I know one's a tube and all, but I had hope. Maybe the GZ47fet would be more of my taste. I love the TS-2, but something with slightly less top end air and slightly more mid forward would be lovely. I'm looking at either the Telefunken AK-47 MkII, or the GZ47fet... Though, I sold my A Designs P-1, so I couldn't run the GZ67fet through my JLM LA500A Compressor. No phantom power.... So maybe not the GZ route until I buy another preamp.

This song is not to be taken seriously. I was joking around, lol.
Hey YaBoyJDub, I sent you a PM.
Old 20th May 2018
  #357
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Posted this in the SA-47F thread but seems applicable here as well:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=19J...yqqRbb-Svd1J2R

Vocal Mic Shootout
  • Stam Audio SA-47F
  • 3U Audio GZ67Fet
  • 3U Audio Warbler MK1D in position V1
  • ISK 2B Beauty
  • MXL990 (with minor capacitor mods)
  • Apex460 with edge terminated capsule and C12ish mods
  • Shure SM7b w/o foam
  • Shure SM57

Setup Notes:
  • one male vocal take by a non-vocalist (I'm so sorry) with plenty of dynamics
  • some reverb on a send, but no other effects on vocal
  • mics crammed together as tightly as possible.
  • all mics in cardioid, no pads or hpfs engaged
  • Pop filter , standing ~8 inches from mics
  • All run into an Audient ASP800, no buttons engaged (except 48V where needed, obviously)
  • level matched by LUFS measured over the whole take
Old 21st May 2018
  #358
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Posted this in the SA-47F thread but seems applicable here as well:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=19J...yqqRbb-Svd1J2R

Vocal Mic Shootout
  • Stam Audio SA-47F
  • 3U Audio GZ67Fet
  • 3U Audio Warbler MK1D in position V1
  • ISK 2B Beauty
  • MXL990 (with minor capacitor mods)
  • Apex460 with edge terminated capsule and C12ish mods
  • Shure SM7b w/o foam
  • Shure SM57

Setup Notes:
  • one male vocal take by a non-vocalist (I'm so sorry) with plenty of dynamics
  • some reverb on a send, but no other effects on vocal
  • mics crammed together as tightly as possible.
  • all mics in cardioid, no pads or hpfs engaged
  • Pop filter , standing ~8 inches from mics
  • All run into an Audient ASP800, no buttons engaged (except 48V where needed, obviously)
  • level matched by LUFS measured over the whole take
Did you have a fav of the mics you shot out ?
Old 21st May 2018
  #359
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Did you have a fav of the mics you shot out ?
I thought all the LDCs did okay here. I'd skip the mxl and shures. The shures sound pinched (especially the 57) and the mxl has no body. SA-47F's not bad here but it's gonna be a kick and bass mic, something the other mics can not do!

This low-to-mid-priced market has so many decent choices now, it's awesome. a 3U, an iSK 2B, or a modded Apex460 and you've got a solid start to a vocal chain. Get yourself a decent outboard pre and maybe a color compressor, and suddenly discover YOU are the weakest part of your vocal chain

It's nice having mics that don't just reproduce a sound, but flatter and enhance it.
Old 21st May 2018
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Quote:
Originally Posted by adumbfish View Post
Posted this in the SA-47F thread but seems applicable here as well:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=19J...yqqRbb-Svd1J2R

Vocal Mic Shootout
  • Stam Audio SA-47F
  • 3U Audio GZ67Fet
  • 3U Audio Warbler MK1D in position V1
  • ISK 2B Beauty
  • MXL990 (with minor capacitor mods)
  • Apex460 with edge terminated capsule and C12ish mods
  • Shure SM7b w/o foam
  • Shure SM57

Setup Notes:
  • one male vocal take by a non-vocalist (I'm so sorry) with plenty of dynamics
  • some reverb on a send, but no other effects on vocal
  • mics crammed together as tightly as possible.
  • all mics in cardioid, no pads or hpfs engaged
  • Pop filter , standing ~8 inches from mics
  • All run into an Audient ASP800, no buttons engaged (except 48V where needed, obviously)
  • level matched by LUFS measured over the whole take
Thanks for posting this. Really valuable!

GZ67Fet is my vote. Followed by a tie of MKID and Stam. The ISK and MXL and Apex 460 all have an upper edge that I wouldn't want to deal with in a mix (the ISK less than the other two but still more than I'd want) and the Shures sound pinched, like you mention.
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