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Old 12th March 2014
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Talking Yamaha QL Series

Meet the New Yamaha QL Series!

Could this be the LS9 Successor?!



Yamaha QL Series - Yamaha Commercial Audio Systems


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Old 12th March 2014
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BUMP! for more information now available!

I hope they price it right!
Old 12th March 2014
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Ql series looks cool but pls qu 16 qu 24 what with the q
And it looks a lot like the m32 from Midas
Old 12th March 2014
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And it looks a lot like the m32 from Midas

No, it looks a LOT more professional
Old 12th March 2014
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Let's hope that it sounds a lot better than it's predecessors.
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this needs to be priced well
Old 12th March 2014
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Looks like they have ditched the "home" key. Worst move ever Yamaha.
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Looks like they have ditched the "home" key. Worst move ever Yamaha.
its touch screen
Old 12th March 2014
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Yuck!

"The Yamaha QL Series will be available in early April 2014 at an [USD] MSRP of $8,499 for the QL1 and $16,499 for the QL5."

Yamaha QL Series - Prosoundweb.
Old 12th March 2014
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Yuck!

"The Yamaha QL Series will be available in early April 2014 at an [USD] MSRP of $8,499 for the QL1 and $16,499 for the QL5."

Yamaha QL Series - Prosoundweb.

classic Yamaha out of touch with the market and caught sleeping. been getting fat off decades of low end market profit. software designed by computer programmers.

QL series looks Brilliant.

need to shake up their product line 01V96i get it down in price or get rid of it yes it will cost pennys to make now. LS9 you've dominated the globe but things have moved on price against X32. QL1 should be M32 Qu24 money + a few hundred thats it.

They are pedalling old tech, now their stuck in a corner and don't want to devalue lines that have run their course. Look at apple always selling last years model at a reduced price it makes sense.
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classic Yamaha out of touch with the market and caught sleeping. been getting fat off decades of low end market profit. software designed by computer programmers.

QL series looks Brilliant.

need to shake up their product line 01V96i get it down in price or get rid of it yes it will cost pennys to make now. LS9 you've dominated the globe but things have moved on price against X32. QL1 should be M32 Qu24 money + a few hundred thats it.

They are pedalling old tech, now their stuck in a corner and don't want to devalue lines that have run their course. Look at apple always selling last years model at a reduced price it makes sense.
I agree. I think yet again, they are late to the game with this line. I get that they don't want to cannibalize the LS9s, and even the CL1/CL3, but the price point is hard to swallow when the QL1 is creeping up into Pro1 territory rather than M32.

I'm can't wait to buy an LS9 on ebay this summer for like $1000
Old 12th March 2014
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I agree. I think yet again, they are late to the game with this line. I get that they don't want to cannibalize the LS9s, and even the CL1/CL3, but the price point is hard to swallow when the QL1 is creeping up into Pro1 territory rather than M32.

I'm can't wait to buy an LS9 on ebay this summer for like $1000
If they don't want to cannibalize the LS9 then they shouldn't release a new version of it. How many different kinds of small format boards do we need from the same manufacturer, anyways? Probably would've been easier to price the CL1 at an attractive point and just sell a ton of those, than to develop a whole different line... Simplified the product line as well...
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Although I suppose once they kill the LS9, that will open up some room at the lower tier for a remake of the 01 and 02 series, but I feel like the sub $5000 market is already pretty crowded. I would have liked to see both of these QL boards land between $5k and ~$8k as there isn't much in that range right now.
Old 12th March 2014
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Dugan automixing on board? Thats pretty sweet to me. To add that on as a MY card on any other yammy console you're looking at 2k-2.5K.
Old 12th March 2014
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classic Yamaha out of touch with the market and caught sleeping. been getting fat off decades of low end market profit. software designed by computer programmers.

QL series looks Brilliant.

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I think you're missing the point of this product.

I don't think its designed to compete with the cheap consoles like X32/M32/GLD/etc...

If you just want a half decent console that can mix 16-40 inputs from stage, there are lots of cheap options.

But if you wan't something that has a completely customisable surface, redundant audio networking, Dugan automixing (high-end corporate and broadcast markets), etc... then you are pitting this against things like SD11s.
At that point, it looks to be good value.

Then with the QL5, you have the real M7 replacement. 64 inputs to mix, CL audio quality, good build, simple interface. Its got the potential to dominate the corporate market with that feature set.

So I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it as overpriced and out of touch.

Whether you buy into it now or later, Dante and AVB will be the networking technology that wins out, and then this starts looking very attractive.

If I buy a Midas Pro1 and want a multitrack record of 48 channels, I need a 9650 w/ a Dante card. Thats a few grand gone. With an SD11 I need something like a UB-Madi. Thats a grand. With a QL1 its $29.99 and you're done. Etc...

The point is. If you just want a 16ch console, look elsewhere. But once you start adding up the expansion capabilities, it becomes a bigger deal
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Seems to me that they still have a hole in their lineup. The LS9 and 01v are both going up against the MI digital consoles at around $2500.00-$3500.00 (32 channel). Perhaps they have simply given up on this crowded market and are aiming for more profitable ground?
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I doubt I'd be waiting in line to pick up the LS9.1.

I do like the gain compensation feature. Is this the first device to have that feature?

Two features that I wish every new digital mixer had:
1) Ability to view channel processing on many channels at once like the Soundcraft Vi; and
2) Ability to multitrack record with a simple cable to a computer (firewire, USB, cat-5, whatever) like the Presonus StudioLive.
Old 13th March 2014
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I doubt I'd be waiting in line to pick up the LS9.1.

I do like the gain compensation feature. Is this the first device to have that feature?

Two features that I wish every new digital mixer had:
1) Ability to view channel processing on many channels at once like the Soundcraft Vi; and
2) Ability to multitrack record with a simple cable to a computer (firewire, USB, cat-5, whatever) like the Presonus StudioLive.
#1) The X32 can do it with multiple remote devices plugged in, but I agree, that is a really nice feature.

#2) The Qu-16/24 can do it without a computer. The X32 can do it. While you didn't explicitly say it, it should also allow playback for virtual sound check as well.
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I think you're missing the point of this product.

I don't think its designed to compete with the cheap consoles like X32/M32/GLD/etc...

If you just want a half decent console that can mix 16-40 inputs from stage, there are lots of cheap options.

But if you wan't something that has a completely customisable surface, redundant audio networking, Dugan automixing (high-end corporate and broadcast markets), etc... then you are pitting this against things like SD11s.
At that point, it looks to be good value.

Then with the QL5, you have the real M7 replacement. 64 inputs to mix, CL audio quality, good build, simple interface. Its got the potential to dominate the corporate market with that feature set.

So I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it as overpriced and out of touch.
Allen & Heath GLD is a lot cheaper option for the channel count and expandability. Sounds great. X32 is another. They are really trading on the fact that everyone knows how to use the Yamaha boards. To be honest, I have used the CL series and was completely disappointed with the sound. It was not much of a step up from the M7. Certainly was not the PM5D sound in an M7 format that everyone was hoping for.
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Allen & Heath GLD is a lot cheaper option for the channel count and expandability. Sounds great.They are really trading on the fact that everyone knows how to use the Yamaha boards. To be honest, I have used the CL series and was completely disappointed with the sound. It was not much of a step up from the M7. Certainly was not the PM5D sound in an M7 format that everyone was hoping for.
+1 !!! Same opinion here (for what is that worth).

CL series is a little bit better than the M7 soundwise.. but far from being great..and still far from PM5 imho. (Even if the pm5 is a very old desk it still sounds better than these).

CL series is still far from consoles like Digico, Soundcraft, Digidesign and even the GLD series from A&H.. these consoles are far better than the yammies..

GLD80 imho is one of the best consoles out there regarding workflow/feats/sound/channel count/price..

Can you engineer a decent show on these? Of course, but it will be easier and better sounding on the other consoles mentioned.

Just my 0.02$,



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I doubt I'd be waiting in line to pick up the LS9.1.

I do like the gain compensation feature. Is this the first device to have that feature?

Two features that I wish every new digital mixer had:
1) Ability to view channel processing on many channels at once like the Soundcraft Vi; and
2) Ability to multitrack record with a simple cable to a computer (firewire, USB, cat-5, whatever) like the Presonus StudioLive.
It's not the first console to have Gain compensation, but it's rare for a console of this size and price point to have that feature. Comes along with being able to network straight into any of the CL series to use as a FOH + Monitor combo. That may be a big selling point for those who already own CLs.

As for your other points:
1. You can VIEW channel processing by groups of 8, and you can see Dynamics meters for all channels right on the channel ID strip on the surface. It's just that not many consoles allow you to CHANGE parameters for more than one channel at a time, even on the larger boards, with the exception of those with custom encoder banks. That's just a concession of digital boards and most everyone has come to accept that workflow.

2. Since QL has built-in Dante, you can very easily do this with an ethernet cable into a laptop with Dante virtual soundcard. Seems most new desks are leaning this way, or at least making the options available and accessible.
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theyve only got 3 knobs for eq? that's one of the best things about the m7, a full channelstrip of control
Old 14th March 2014
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What seems strange to me is how Yamaha is changing their digital desk proposition (at this price-point) by including value-added features like Dante and Dugan.

Previously they have offered a solid basic platform in the form of a desk at a good price, then you had to pay more than other brands charged for equivalent features, but Yamaha had a distinct modular nature where the features were added by purchasing specific cards for specific tasks - for everything from mundane stuff like I/O expansion, to specialist tasks like auto-mixing, plus other revenue streams from expensive ES/Rio stage boxes to MADI or Dante expansion cards - all bought to specifically suit each individual customer's requirements.

With the QL they seem to have randomly thrown-in value and cost adding features, and stayed in X32 territory by including I/O counts onboard. I would imagine many potential customers for QL have specific remote stagebox and digital networking requirements - and would prefer to only pay for extra features as needed, rather than having to buy a box with a lot of tech built in that may never be used.

I do concede they probably have been smart with including Dante; but it still seems like a risk taken by a company that made it's name in this market (PM1D excepted) by playing safe with core features like bullet-proof build quality, and excellent expansion potential.
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What seems strange to me is how Yamaha is changing their digital desk proposition (at this price-point) by including value-added features like Dante and Dugan.

Previously they have offered a solid basic platform in the form of a desk at a good price, then you had to pay more than other brands charged for equivalent features, but Yamaha had a distinct modular nature where the features were added by purchasing specific cards for specific tasks - for everything from mundane stuff like I/O expansion, to specialist tasks like auto-mixing, plus other revenue streams from expensive ES/Rio stage boxes to MADI or Dante expansion cards - all bought to specifically suit each individual customer's requirements.

With the QL they seem to have randomly thrown-in value and cost adding features, and stayed in X32 territory by including I/O counts onboard. I would imagine many potential customers for QL have specific remote stagebox and digital networking requirements - and would prefer to only pay for extra features as needed, rather than having to buy a box with a lot of tech built in that may never be used.

I do concede they probably have been smart with including Dante; but it still seems like a risk taken by a company that made it's name in this market (PM1D excepted) by playing safe with core features like bullet-proof build quality, and excellent expansion potential.
I noted the change from a modular approach to integrating selected functionality as well and with the QL series Yamaha seems to have targeted the base console at some specific markets and applications.

That's also where Chris's argument may have some limitations. Configuring other consoles to provide the same functionality as the QL series may indeed make the QL series look very competitive, but comparing two mixers by trying to make one match the other rather than comparing them based on an application will almost always benefit the product being used as the basis for the comparison. If you want Dugan automixing but no remote I/O then the QL series may compare well to many other options, but if you don't need the automixing functionality and/or want multiple remote I/O boxes, then the comparison might change.
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CJUK...Dante virtual sound card included at no cost. No $29.95, it's free.

What seems cool to me is if you have a 32 input QL5 at monitor world..a RIO32 on stage for 64 inputs...all 64 including the 32 resident pres in the QL, travel to FOH via Dante.

I got a note about a CL software upgrade in a month or so...Dugan to be included in it as well. I can start a new thread or slide it in on this one when I return to the office tomorrow
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What seems cool to me is if you have a 32 input QL5 at monitor world..a RIO32 on stage for 64 inputs...all 64 including the 32 resident pres in the QL, travel to FOH via Dante.
I guess my point is that in the particular circumstances you describe, the QL desks make sense.

However without all the extra Yamaha kit you mention, the lack of modularity and the costs incurred by the inclusion of Dante and Dugan make the QL as a stand-alone proposition seem quite expensive compared to a Soundcraft Performer or A&H GLD, looking at the wider marketplace.
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Well we just put in our order for the QL5. We'll be getting a 32x24 once we're back into busy season in a few months.

Any comments or concerns so far from anyone?
I'm pretty excited about it, we're finally going to be able to run digital to FOH with the 5D and M7.
I'm a little apprehensive about ditching the copper splitter and running everything through rios and gain compensation to FOH, but I guess we'll see how the BEs feel about it (I'm guessing not too many are going to jump at the opportunity to share gain if given the option)
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