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Old 15th September 2018
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Small format mixer pres

Hello. I want a small format mixer with a minimum of six mic pres. However I have no need for and do not want faders. I cannot find any units with pots that have at least six pres. Something low budget and small. For example, if the Mackie 1202 vlz4 had six pres, it would be what I need. Any ideas?
Old 15th September 2018
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Hello. I want a small format mixer with a minimum of six mic pres. However I have no need for and do not want faders. I cannot find any units with pots that have at least six pres. Something low budget and small. For example, if the Mackie 1202 vlz4 had six pres, it would be what I need. Any ideas?
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Your out of luck on your specific requirements. The nature of mass manufacturing means that manufacturers have to position their products with the features that MOST buyers will want at a certain price range.

ANYTHING with more than 4 preamps is going to have sliders and be more expensive because that's where in the market they are being pitched to. There's no such thing as a bare bones mixer with 6+ preamps.

OK, there are POWERED mixers that meet your requirements but guess that's not what you want either. Your trying to go cheap aren't you?

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There's no such thing as a bare bones mixer with 6+ preamps.
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Old 15th September 2018
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Well that will do it but I guess that next the OP will still want eq.
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Well that will do it but I guess that next the OP will still want eq.
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Old 15th September 2018
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Special order at $1700. You DID find it though so bonus points for that.

I suspect that the OP is just trying to go cheap. The previous one may work for him though.
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Special order at $1700. You DID find it though so bonus points for that.

I suspect that the OP is just trying to go cheap. The previous one may work for him though.
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Old 15th September 2018
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Rolls RM82

Small, cheap, trim, tone control, phantom, configurable I/O, and no faders.

Rolls Corporation - Real Sound - Products RM82 8 Channel Mic/Line Mixer
Old 15th September 2018
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Maybe one of the small tablet-controlled digital mixer boxes would work? Like a Soundcraft Ui12 or a Behringer XR16?
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Ashly

I used an Ashly MX508 for many years. Still have it in spare rack. They build similar smaller models as well. Check EBay for used. I bought my MX508 for $500.00 used, it works and sounds great.
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I have an old Tapco 6000R you can have for shipping cost. ('Mackie before it was Mackie :>)
You'd have to flush out (or replace?) the goo in the main pots he put in to make them feel fancy'. That has dried out.
I kept it around thinking I might use it at some point for it's actually nice sounding spring reverb.
Like this, w/o the rack ears..
Tapco 6000R, 6 Channel Mixer & Preamp with Spring Reverb & Eq, Vintage Rack | eBay
Old 16th September 2018
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Thanks guys, I was hoping for a new product. What I do now is use a Mackie 1202, And when I need more pres, I piggyback an 802. It's a pia and I also don't get my outboard effects in the 802.
Actually, a rack mixer would be welcome, but I do need eq and two aux.
The Ashley product is the ticket, but at that price I think I just buy QSC touchmix 8 and be done with it.
Old 16th September 2018
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Thanks guys, I was hoping for a new product. What I do now is use a Mackie 1202, And when I need more pres, I piggyback an 802. It's a pia and I also don't get my outboard effects in the 802.
Actually, a rack mixer would be welcome, but I do need eq and two aux.
The Ashley product is the ticket, but at that price I think I just buy QSC touchmix 8 and be done with it.
Curious as to the "no faders" stipulation. What's up with that?
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I have an old Tapco 6000R you can have for shipping cost. ('Mackie before it was Mackie :>)
You'd have to flush out (or replace?) the goo in the main pots he put in to make them feel fancy'. That has dried out.
I kept it around thinking I might use it at some point for it's actually nice sounding spring reverb.
Like this, w/o the rack ears..
Tapco 6000R, 6 Channel Mixer & Preamp with Spring Reverb & Eq, Vintage Rack | eBay
Thanks for the kind offer. with another aux, and xlr outs, that's the answer. Surprised that not much similar is being made today. There are so many duo/trio acts that need a set and forget small mixer.
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Curious as to the "no faders" stipulation. What's up with that?
Just personal preference really. I rack the mixer and set it within my reach while performing. Ime, I can reach and adjust dials easier and more accurately while playing.
Also faders seem to add size and cost for something I would rather not have.
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Just personal preference really. I rack the mixer and set it within my reach while performing. Ime, I can reach and adjust dials easier and more accurately while playing.
Also faders seem to add size and cost for something I would rather not have.
Fair enough.

If you consider a Touchmix 8 acceptable, take a look at the Presonus StudioLive 16R. Twice the channel count, much better processing and control options, one rack space...and $100.00 less than the QSC.

I've had/used both brands. The QSC always comes up a little short...

Good luck.
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Fair enough.

If you consider a Touchmix 8 acceptable, take a look at the Presonus StudioLive 16R. Twice the channel count, much better processing and control options, one rack space...and $100.00 less than the QSC.

I've had/used both brands. The QSC always comes up a little short...

Good luck.
Well it's not really acceptable, because it can't be adjusted without looking at it. Based on what I know so far, the Ashly MX 406/508 are what I want. So unless there is something else out there - the decision becomes, accept a used Ashley unit and hope for the best, or let go of being able to adjust on the fly.
Does anyone have any info on the sound quality of these Ashly units?
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Well it's not really acceptable, because it can't be adjusted without looking at it. Based on what I know so far, the Ashly MX 406/508 are what I want. So unless there is something else out there - the decision becomes, accept a used Ashley unit and hope for the best, or let go of being able to adjust on the fly.
Does anyone have any info on the sound quality of these Ashly units?
Ashley gear is good stuff. Solid engineering, quality components and reliable. As to sound quality: what goes in comes out clearly and depends on the quality of the input devices feeding the mixer and the quality of the musicianship. But then that's pretty much a general rule
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Ashley gear is good stuff. Solid engineering, quality components and reliable. As to sound quality: what goes in comes out clearly and depends on the quality of the input devices feeding the mixer and the quality of the musicianship. But then that's pretty much a general rule
I agree. I would also point out Ashly does provide great support when you need it.

Case in point: After transporting my MX508 home from a gig some of the little
blue and white pot covers were missing. They pop out easily so you can remove the pots. Contacted Ashly about some replacements and they sent me a "care package" of covers at no charge.

You can also call them and get tech support to talk to you!!

FYI... I have a Touchmix 16 that I use now instead of the MX508. The Touchmix
has a lot more features, bells and whistles and is considerably lighter than the Ashly. But as has been mentioned it's not easy to quickly adjust on the fly if you are in performance mode.
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Well it's not really acceptable, because it can't be adjusted without looking at it. Based on what I know so far, the Ashly MX 406/508 are what I want. So unless there is something else out there - the decision becomes, accept a used Ashley unit and hope for the best, or let go of being able to adjust on the fly.
Does anyone have any info on the sound quality of these Ashly units?
I've used them both in fixed installs as well as FM broadcast remotes, and found them to be outstanding. They're nothing to look at . . . painted chassis with silkscreened nomenclature, plastic knobs, and exposed screwheads everywhere . . . but I've found them to be very roadworthy, having none of the issues with poor connections and flakey knobs/buttons/connectors that's typical of the more consumer-oriented little analog mixers. Noise and RF immunity are top-class, and the transformer-coupled outputs easily interface hum-free with just about any kind of receiving equipment, even if it's 600-ohm terminated.

As for pricing . . . they're really only expensive when compared to all of the commodity-produced equipment out there that are really designed for the Guitar Center type of buyer . . . a typical small mixer that's targeted specifically at the remote/production/broadcast will be at least double the cost for maybe half the number of channels. The Ashly stuff is actually both repairable and worth repairing when something does go wrong, and AFAIK these core products are still US-produced.
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FYI... I have a Touchmix 16 that I use now instead of the MX508. The Touchmix
has a lot more features, bells and whistles and is considerably lighter than the Ashly. But as has been mentioned it's not easy to quickly adjust on the fly if you are in performance mode.
I use one where I work. I find it fairly intuitive and decent enough sounding. However that is a fixed install. I do wonder how it would stand up to the rigors of the road.
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I've used them both in fixed installs as well as FM broadcast remotes, and found them to be outstanding. They're nothing to look at . . . painted chassis with silkscreened nomenclature, plastic knobs, and exposed screwheads everywhere . . . but I've found them to be very roadworthy, having none of the issues with poor connections and flakey knobs/buttons/connectors that's typical of the more consumer-oriented little analog mixers. Noise and RF immunity are top-class, and the transformer-coupled outputs easily interface hum-free with just about any kind of receiving equipment, even if it's 600-ohm terminated.

As for pricing . . . they're really only expensive when compared to all of the commodity-produced equipment out there that are really designed for the Guitar Center type of buyer . . . a typical small mixer that's targeted specifically at the remote/production/broadcast will be at least double the cost for maybe half the number of channels. The Ashly stuff is actually both repairable and worth repairing when something does go wrong, and AFAIK these core products are still US-produced.
I have no doubt that Ashly is the superior product among those I'm considering. Is there anything about the pres, or the tone stack, that would make it less than ideal for small format music foh?
If not, I'm thinking it might be worth the cost.
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I use one where I work. I find it fairly intuitive and decent enough sounding. However that is a fixed install. I do wonder how it would stand up to the rigors of the road.
I've been hauling my Touchmix to gigs for just about one year. We're careful loading in/out so we don't bounce it around. So far it's performed perfectly.

One thing for sure, it's much lighter than the rack of Ashly gear it replaced.
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