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Pre Recorded Bass Guitar Through Bass Amp Live
Old 16th May 2018
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Pre Recorded Bass Guitar Through Bass Amp Live

Hi,
I am after some advice on playing a pre recorded bass through a bass amp. Basically we are playing with no bass player. Our drummer plays to a click track and triggers the bass and sometimes a backing track along with the click track.
This is how I was thinking it could work. Sorry if this is confusing...

We have a Roland SX SPD drum pad.
I want to bounce a stereo file with the bass panned hard left and click track panned hard right and put it on pad 1 of the SPD.
Pad 1 file will then come out of the sub outputs of the SPD. The left side will go to the bass amp and the right side (click) will go to the mixer so we can feed our in ear monitors through the aux out's.
The backing track, on pad 2 will then come out the main left and right of the SPD.
Pad 1 and 2 will be linked so when he hits pad 1, both pad 1 and pad 2 will start together.

My questions are:
Will this work? It's a bit complicated but seems to make sense once you get you're head round it.
How do I get the bass to the bass amp? Do I have to go through some sort of DI box first? Is it just a case of recording the bass into my daw and bouncing it dry, maybe with a bit of compression, at exactly the level I recorded into the daw?

Thanks in advance for any advice you might have. This is my first post so sorry if it's in the wrong place or anything.

Sam.
Old 16th May 2018
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dunno about linking pads, but things should work as described: you don't need a di but rather a reamp box (check out radial for all sorts of little helpers) - or nothing at all: just make sure you do not overdrive the input of your bass amp (you may need to lower the output of the bass track or use a pad to bring the level down)
Old 18th May 2018
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Thanks for the reply! I'll try it without first then and see
Old 18th May 2018
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Originally Posted by deedeeyeah View Post
... you don't need a di but rather a reamp box (check out radial for all sorts of little helpers) - or nothing at all...
If your amp has an fx loop you can probably plug into the return side of it and get away with nothing at all. But the volume may have to be controlled by the feed into the amp, not on the amp itself, and the tone controls might not work (if the fx loop is post-knobs).
Old 18th May 2018
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I'm feeling sympathy for the one musician already tasked with using all four limbs, who then has to make this extra stuff work!

There's an obvious drummer joke packed in there, but I don't think this is the time...


If the bass track is recorded and rendered in a studio DAW, I would try EQing that recording to sound acceptable either directly into the bass amp, or through the FX return.

A versatile reamp DI would potentially work, but for the cost of the cheapest Radial option - the OP could buy a full range powered speaker, albeit either a venerable used item like a SRM450, or one of those Alto / Denon plastic boxes.

It seems like the OP is trying to do this on a tight budget. Adding specialised utility items into the equation seems like overreach.

If this was my problem, I'd have already listened to the sound of the recorded bass sent direct to the bass amp. Since the question implies both exist, can it be that hard to put them in the same room and listen?
Old 24th May 2018
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I’ve seen this quite a few times, it can definitely help bring some vibe especially if you’re in venues without decent subs. Sounds like you’ve got it totally figured out, getting it all set up will take a little while but then you’ll be good to go. Have fun!!
Old 30th May 2018
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Technical things asides, may I state the obvious? Perhaps you should find a bass player or at least a keyboardist playing the bass. As a bass player myself I always follow the groove and tempo set by the drummer (not the opposite). It is incredibly chhallenging for a drummer to do the opposite without using a click track. Even a very strong drummer might have issue following a prerecorded bass line live. Especially if the venue's acoustic tend to muddy the lows.
On the technical aspect of thing, the bass should go through the house with a DI (no advantage of using an amp) and a bass amp could be used for the drummer to monitor the bass. Overall I think it is a terrible idea. Pre-recorded bass only works with pre-recorded drums.
In addition, hard panning anything is a not common practice among sound engineers. Live music is mostly mono because the listener can be positioned anywhere in the stereo field..

Last edited by numero6; 31st May 2018 at 12:01 AM..
Old 31st May 2018
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I did that several times. Works well. TRS cable out of SPD to DI (going to FOH) and link to bass combo for stage monitoring. I did the bass FOH sound and band did the comfortable stage sound. Also you can use any stage monitor for that
Old 31st May 2018
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Technical things asides, may I state the obvious? Perhaps you should find a bass player or at least a keyboardist playing the bass. As a bass player myself I always follow the groove and tempo set by the drummer (not the opposite). It is incredibly chhallenging for a drummer to do the opposite without using a click track. Even a very strong drummer might have issue following a prerecorded bass line live. Especially if the venue's acoustic tend to muddy the lows.
On the technical aspect of thing, the bass should go through the house with a DI (no advantage of using an amp) and a bass amp could be used for the drummer to monitor the bass. Overall I think it is a terrible idea. Pre-recorded bass only works with pre-recorded drums.
In addition, hard panning anything is a not common practice among sound engineers. Live music is mostly mono because the listener can be positioned anywhere in the stereo field..
While I agree that the drummer is generally the time keeper, for certain styles of music timing takes precedence over groove, the drummer only need to stay on tempo or sit on the click, he does not need to “follow” the bass.

OP, you don’t need a bass amp on stage if everybody else is using a monitor...send the signal through a DI to the console and the mixer can send the signal to whoever needs it.
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