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If you are tired - just go to bed!
Old 22nd March 2019
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Lunesta worked very well for me last night. I may take some this evening as well.
A follow up to my previous post. I skipped the Lunesta on the second night since I became drowsy on my own.

I had taken the Lunesta due to having run out of the gummy Melatonin. For the past several nights I haven't taken anything and managed to sleep like a rock!

If this continues, I'm not gonna buy any more Melatonin.

"If you are tired - just go to bed!"
Old 22nd March 2019
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every now and then I'll sleep for 2 or 3 days. might wake a few times for a drink or some food but then out again. your body will start to sort a lot of things out. and I can always really tell afterwards.
Old 28th March 2019
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welp I have job to do, so coffee in one hand and mouse in another. Work work work
Old 9th September 2019
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My sleep isn't to great, possibly due to the abundance of caffeine I consume during the day (drinking coffee as I type this) I am always sleepy until I finish work and then suddenly... I am wide awake until 1-2am leaving me with around 5-6 hours sleep a night.

Any tips? (apart from laying off the caffeine, which I am going to try)
Old 9th September 2019
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Valerian (considered Gods valium) talk about reverse engineering - I have seen people quit alcohol/ice/etc in 2 or 3 days... and ancient cure... or crutch. Cayce said even exhaustion is best for sleep. Getting a good balance of physical/mental/emotional/spiritual exhaustion is the key. I love lucid dreaming - since there is no a-typical space time continuum in lucid rest - there is no time... so I just go to sleep in my lucid dream sleep and can get 8 hours sleep in a few minutes. The body was meant to keep moving... even in sleep. LOL
Old 9th September 2019
  #66
I usually take Melatonin, it works wonders. Some companies are adding an additional ingredient called Theanine. In combination, it works quite well too.
Old 4 weeks ago
  #67
Can you get Melatonin in the UK?

(I thought it was something that brits in the know bought in the US)

In the UK Nytol is sold - its an antihistamine that makes you drowsy... Not sure that's a good thing...
Old 4 weeks ago
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If you get the recommended 8 hrs per night, and live to be 90, you'll have spent a full 30 years of your life asleep. Complete waste of time. Just think of all the much more useful things you could accomplish with an extra 30 years in your lifetime.
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I love lucid dreaming - since there is no a-typical space time continuum in lucid rest
Lucid dreaming is pretty cool. But even better for integrating your sleep time into the rest of your life to get access to that extra 30 years AND start getting deep and restful sleep......is the ancient discipline of Tibetan dream and sleep yoga.

Just sayin'.......



Old 4 weeks ago
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Can you get Melatonin in the UK?

(I thought it was something that brits in the know bought in the US)

In the UK Nytol is sold - its an antihistamine that makes you drowsy... Not sure that's a good thing...
You may be able to get it via Amazon for folks living in the UK if it's not sold there.
Old 4 weeks ago
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I read a book a couple months ago called Why We Sleep by Matthew Walker. It's basically a summary of all the known research and facts about sleep. Aside from covering the history and purposes of human sleep, there are also some cool things in there, like how dolphins and other water creatures sleep literally with half their brains at a time because they're suspended in water around other creatures. They basically need to stay semi-awake while they move around, and they rest one brain hemisphere and then switch to the other. Birds do a similar thing but not to the same extent, and they sleep in lines and take turns getting deeper sleep (the birds on the ends will be the most awake and "watch guard", and then they'll eventually move down the line).

Anyway, the main thing I wanted to say is that a minority percentage of people are night owls (late to sleep, late to rise), myself included. Their circadian rhythms (the body's rhythms that dictate when we're awake and asleep) are phase shifted to later times than others. The book talks about why there are evolutionary advantages to this (good to have some people awake while others are sleeping for safety), and also how night owls face potential health drawbacks because of work culture (wake up early and work during the day), and also how they face negative perceptions (I've been cast with "lazy" label too many times ...).

Yeah, interesting book. It's very well written and accessible if you're interested in sleep research.
Old 4 weeks ago
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I,m a night owl (2am-10am) suits me although i need work at it in the winter to get more daylight...damn clock adjustment.
In the past (pre industrial age) we only slept for 4hours and got up for a couple hours (maybe cooked a little or a little reading or chores) then went back for another 4hours.
A while ago, i read that a banana is one of the best things to eat prior to bedtime. Works for me, also at least 8 hours coffee free before sleep.
Oh and a really good mattress is so important.
Old 4 weeks ago
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I,m a night owl (2am-10am) suits me although i need work at it in the winter to get more daylight...damn clock adjustment.
In the past (pre industrial age) we only slept for 4hours and got up for a couple hours (maybe cooked a little or a little reading or chores) then went back for another 4hours.
A while ago, i read that a banana is one of the best things to eat prior to bedtime. Works for me, also at least 8 hours coffee free before sleep.
Oh and a really good mattress is so important.
I remember that the Why We Sleep author said the middle-of-the-night brief wake up was a likely a cultural thing or just some quirk about a certain people as it seemed to happen in a certain place only for a certain period of time. I think it happened in or around the UK. That's all iirc.

Another interesting thing he said is that afternoon naps are totally natural and part of the sleep/wake cycle, but modern culture has gotten away from it. Those cultures who still take the naps are healthier than non-nappers in a multitude of ways, though whether that's because the majority of culture that doesn't take naps is spending that time doing unhealthy things is up for debate.

I remember reading about a person who had neck and back problems and traced the source back to using too many pillows. When they switch to a single good memory foam pillow, it all went away. Makes sense that the right position and amount of support are important like that ....
Old 4 weeks ago
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I remember that the Why We Sleep author said the middle-of-the-night brief wake up was a likely a cultural thing or just some quirk about a certain people as it seemed to happen in a certain place only for a certain period of time. I think it happened in or around the UK. That's all iirc.

Another interesting thing he said is that afternoon naps are totally natural and part of the sleep/wake cycle, but modern culture has gotten away from it. Those cultures who still take the naps are healthier than non-nappers in a multitude of ways, though whether that's because the majority of culture that doesn't take naps is spending that time doing unhealthy things is up for debate.

I remember reading about a person who had neck and back problems and traced the source back to using too many pillows. When they switch to a single good memory foam pillow, it all went away. Makes sense that the right position and amount of support are important like that ....
I havent read up the reasoning behind the the two 4 hours shifts period but it could have been due to waking up to milk the cows etc...pre industrial.
I cant stand taking naps as it messes up my day.I know in hotter climates like Spain its a cultural thing because of the heat.In Madrid apparently they dont go out to socialise until around 10pm (when its cooler) and i can understand why the siesta is important. When we have a hot spell (UK) i tend to sleep at 3 or 4 am and those are times when a siesta is part of my routine but i dislike those days. I,m planning on taking breaks to cooler parts in the future. I grew up in a cooler part of the Country.

Long term alcohol use is a killer for the sleep pattern. I gave up about 15 years ago, it became relentless and at the time of giving it up, i did not sleep for 6 days. It was harrowing and it shows what effect the alcohol is really having,even though most experience a wonderful nodding off while imbibing, its actually having the opposite effect.
We are all different and we are different at different times of our lives. Need an adapt and survive strategy. Thats been my experience, might seem a bit heavy but whatever gets you through the night eh
Old 4 weeks ago
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I havent read up the reasoning behind the the two 4 hours shifts period but it could have been due to waking up to milk the cows etc...pre industrial.
Yeah.......segmented sleep was pretty much how we slept up until the 17th century or so. 50,000 years or so. Get up in the night to feed the fire and change the guard in the cave....a lot of procreation happened then I bet. I think the electric light really changed all that.....never mind TV, computers and phones before bed.

I'm an older guy now and I still get up at 4:00AM to start my day with yoga and exercise. I work 50 hours a week in an office. Then I have a couple of cold beers while making dinner...every night.

I'm asleep by 8:30 every night...no TV or computer before bed.......maybe some acoustic guitar.

I slip home for lunch every day and take a 15 minute nap on the studio couch. My days are filled with clarity and presence. My health is as good as it has ever been.

Works for me......not for everyone, though.
Old 4 weeks ago
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^^ opposite ends of the spectrum. Something to be said for an early rise and meditating though.
I just read a recent interview with Keith Richards. He was asked what his Morning consisted of. He said, " I get up and then i erm....sit down"
Old 3 weeks ago
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I remember reading about a person who had neck and back problems and traced the source back to using too many pillows. When they switch to a single good memory foam pillow, it all went away. Makes sense that the right position and amount of support are important like that ....
A tempurpedic pillow is a godsend! I used to get neck pain- sometimes quite severe- but not since using one of those things.

I hit the sack at 11:00 p.m. ish and get up for work at 4:45 a.m. Ugh. Short nap after work and I'm good. Can't drink tea in the evenings as it screws me up. Sleep in til 5:30 on weekends. Naps involved too. I love them and come from a family of nappers.
Old 3 weeks ago
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A family member was waxing lyrical about this product. Never tried it as i dont really have a sleep problem these days. Its a lavender pillow spray
Could be worth a shot...shop around.

https://www.thisworks.com/us/sleep.html
Old 3 weeks ago
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A family member was waxing lyrical about this product. Never tried it as i dont really have a sleep problem these days. Its a lavender pillow spray
Could be worth a shot...shop around.

https://www.thisworks.com/us/sleep.html
Some people are allergic to lavender. I almost killed a colleague with cupcakes with lavender icing.
Old 3 weeks ago
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Some people are allergic to lavender. I almost killed a colleague with cupcakes with lavender icing.
What happened, did they turn blue?
Old 3 weeks ago
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What happened, did they turn blue?
She was about to eat it then noticed the smell and asked what's in it.
Old 3 weeks ago
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Magnesium bath salts?
Old 3 weeks ago
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I read a book a couple months ago called Why We Sleep by Matthew Walker. It's basically a summary of all the known research and facts about sleep. Aside from covering the history and purposes of human sleep, there are also some cool things in there, like how dolphins and other water creatures sleep literally with half their brains at a time because they're suspended in water around other creatures. They basically need to stay semi-awake while they move around, and they rest one brain hemisphere and then switch to the other. Birds do a similar thing but not to the same extent, and they sleep in lines and take turns getting deeper sleep (the birds on the ends will be the most awake and "watch guard", and then they'll eventually move down the line).

Anyway, the main thing I wanted to say is that a minority percentage of people are night owls (late to sleep, late to rise), myself included. Their Circadian Rhythms (the body's rhythms that dictate when we're awake and asleep) are phase shifted to later times than others. The book talks about why there are evolutionary advantages to this (good to have some people awake while others are sleeping for safety), and also how night owls face potential health drawbacks because of work culture (wake up early and work during the day), and also how they face negative perceptions (I've been cast with "lazy" label too many times ...).

Yeah, interesting book. It's very well written and accessible if you're interested in sleep research.
I've started reading this! Picked it up the other month Another thing I've tried is a chilled pillow, you stick it in the refrigerator for an hour or so and it's ready to go!
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