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Help with my vocal chain / mic locker Condenser Microphones
Old 21st February 2015
  #1
Gear Maniac
 

Help with my vocal chain / mic locker

Hey there,

I would appreciate your input in kicking up my vocal chain… I believe it requires an addition to my mic-locker, and so I’ll start there… If you disagree, and think I’d be better off with a new pre or something; let me know… What (if anything) do you think I’m missing?

I have achieved some great results between my TLM49 and SM7, but can’t help but wonder if I would benefit from a U47 (looking at the Flea 47, as I can’t afford an original) or a U87 or something.

The music I record is mostly male vocal rock, folk, pop stuff. My stuff in particular is a bastardized mix of the Band meets John Mayer.

Current mic locker:

Neumann TLM49
Neumann TLM103
Neumann KM183
Shure SM7
Sontronics Sigma
Apex 460
Sennheiser 421
SM57
SM58
Beta 58
AKG D112
Audix D6
Subkick

Preamps
LA-610
API 512c
Vintech 573
Dizengoff D4 (en route!)

Other kit that gets inserted from time to time:

EQs:
API 550b
Warm Pulteq’s pre-ordered

Dynamics:
Retro STA Level
Warm WA76
Serpent 4001

........so what do you think? Any suggestions?

Cheers!
Old 21st February 2015
  #2
Gear Addict
My brother's style is influenced by John Mayer too. We compared his vocals on a U67, U47 and SM7b through a Heritage 1073 and WA76/Distressor.

For busier arrangements, the U47 had more 'cut' than the SM7b did, whilst still maintaining a full, rich sound. However in sparse arrangements, the SM7b had more body. The U67 didn't have as much body as either of the others, it also seemed to have a more forward mid range - something that didn't really work for his voice.
Old 21st February 2015
  #3
It's funny how people around here get some kind of impression that the u47 is some kind of holy grail in all situations. Its a great microphone to be sure but it May not be the optimum mic on all voices on all applications.

Microphones are VERY voice specific. A mic that sounds great on one tenor will sounds pants on another tenor. The only way to find out whether a mic will work on a specific voice is to try it.

If the mic is not for a specific voice and you are open for business the u47 is a great mic but, around here anyway, ours doesn't get nearly as much use as either our Elam 251 or our m49. Ymmv of course.
Old 21st February 2015
  #4
Gear Maniac
 

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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
It's funny how people around here get some kind of impression that the u47 is some kind of holy grail in all situations. Its a great microphone to be sure but it May not be the optimum mic on all voices on all applications.
Fair comment! I think though, as one is building a mic locker, it's hard not to see it as a golden option...in part due to it's price, but also because there's a perceived provenance with who's used it, the recordings its been on etc.. I realize that that's not always true (and that more times than not, as with today, people used what was around / sounded best on the day).

Anyway...I still can't help but feel it's a gap in my line up... That being said, I've made award winning recordings with the mics and pre's I have, so I am fully aware that if I can't make it work with what I already have...that the problem is me... But hey -- this is Gearslutz!!!
Old 21st February 2015
  #5
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Originally Posted by ollieneedham View Post
My brother's style is influenced by John Mayer too. We compared his vocals on a U67, U47 and SM7b through a Heritage 1073 and WA76/Distressor.

For busier arrangements, the U47 had more 'cut' than the SM7b did, whilst still maintaining a full, rich sound. However in sparse arrangements, the SM7b had more body. The U67 didn't have as much body as either of the others, it also seemed to have a more forward mid range - something that didn't really work for his voice.
...great perspective. Thank you.

Did you use a real U47, or one of the many knock offs / tributes?
Old 21st February 2015
  #6
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The U47 is great mic but like Trev said it works wonders on some sources while being less great on others. I know John Mayer uses the U47 a lot and it definitely works for him.

I like the U47, the Flea 47 too , but there is an upper mid presence peak that really gives the mic it's own signature. Therefore I would highly recommend auditioning one first to see if it is right for you. I often times prefer a U67 as it still has the clarity to cut but also has this huge silky detailed midrange that is a little more neutral high to low. The Elam 251 too which is my favorite vocal mic has a lush open huge sound that is ncredibly smooth but also has a high end shimmer that just sparkles on the right source without a hint of harshness or stidency. A thing of beuaty really.

However when the 47 works it can be something special. It really depends on the source so check out a bunch as Any of the big 5 condensers can be breathtaking with the right source.

Last edited by Palermo; 21st February 2015 at 04:49 PM..
Old 21st February 2015
  #7
Gear Maniac
 

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Originally Posted by Palermo View Post
Any of the big 5 condensers can be breathtaking with the right source.
Curiously, which 5 mics make up that list in your view?

Sony
c12
U47
251

...what else?
Old 21st February 2015
  #8
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Originally Posted by b0b0 View Post
Curiously, which 5 mics make up that list in your view?

Sony
c12
U47
251

...what else?
M49
Old 21st February 2015
  #9
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251
C12
U47
M49
U67

c800g and U87 can certianly be great mic's but those are the 5 LDCs I usually think of.


Quote:
Originally Posted by b0b0 View Post
Curiously, which 5 mics make up that list in your view?

Sony
c12
U47
251

...what else?
Old 21st February 2015
  #10
Lives for gear
The thing I dig about my Wunder CM7 (U47 clone) is the mid range reedy quality it brings out in my voice, it's just so iconic and familiar, I'm kinda a bit addicted to it - it's so classy.

For me it has a lot to do with the capsule. The edge terminated caps like the C12 etc have a kinda smiley curve, the back to back dual diaphragm design
has an aggressive mid etc.

I only seen to sound good on a M7 style cap - it must come down to physics and resonance etc.

Mics are just so voice specific, if you're hiring to clients you need a very well stocked mic locker!
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