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Old 10th August 2014
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I have the warm place to take a s**t covered as there's 7 bathrooms. That's like a different place for each day of the week, haha.
dude...a little TMI?

Given what amounts to an unmitigated flaunting of gear porn, you can expect some throw back.

In any case, I sincerely wish for you to have a successful and enjoyable experience. Hopefully the talent will match all that will be used in the project.

To put things into perspective (granted, not all things being equal) Rudy Van Gelder recorded some of the greatest music ever by some the greatest musicans ever in his mother's living room in Hackensack New Jersey, with a handful of mics and minimal equipment...
Old 10th August 2014
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dude...a little TMI?

Given what amounts to an unmitigated flaunting of gear porn, you can expect some throw back.

In any case, I sincerely wish for you to have a successful and enjoyable experience. Hopefully the talent will match all that will be used in the project.

To put things into perspective (granted, not all things being equal) Rudy Van Gelder recorded some of the greatest music ever by some the greatest musicans ever in his mother's living room in Hackensack New Jersey, with a handful of mics and minimal equipment...


P.S. it was a joke from an earlier post. You'd have to of been there, haha..

I'm hoping so too. I'm pretty happy with who I know I'll be working with. Although, the new band we'll be tracking on our down-time we'll be fun as well.
Old 10th August 2014
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Talent.
Old 10th August 2014
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Jokes aside, what's missing? ::
Humility?
Old 10th August 2014
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As others have noted, your list is pretty comprehensive. The 1608 or the 5088 would be a better complement to the rest of the gear you've listed, but it wounds like you have that in hand.

Couple of other things would be thinking about for expedition:
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(5) Furman M-8Lx Power Conditioner
Despite the name, the Furmans are basically distribution with filtering. Unless you are certain of a clean grid where you're going, I'd be thinking about balanced and/or buffered power.

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(1) Art SLA-II Power Amp
I assume this will drive the NS10Ms. However, unless you've established that the SLA-II is your amp of choice for the 10Ms for some reason, I'd play safe and steer towards something else (eg Bryston or Yamaha) for this role.

Those quibbles aside, others have mentioned converters and headphone amps - and fwiw, you've also not mentioned patchbays, line pads, splitters/mults, metering, instrument effect pedals, tuners, sandbags or a host of other small consumable, incidental and "afterthought" items such as batteries, plectra, drumsticks, gaffa, cables testers, soldering gear, basic electrical tools and the like.

Oh, and spare drivers for the NS10s!
Old 10th August 2014
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but creating a creative atmosphere to record a band in is, so sounds like a good idea to me .
It's only a great idea if it works well…as someone who have done this more than a few times at various levels I know that it's not as romantic as it seems.

If you don't have the technical chops to setup and get sounds within a reasonable time, you lose momentum, If you don't have the technical chops to troubleshoot and solve problems you will lose momentum. If you don't have the experience and discipline to keep the musicians motivated and hence keep things moving you will kill momentum and if this becomes a wankfest of using every piece of gear just for the sake of using it you will kill the vibe.

Without experience, discipline and common sense it's easy to lose sight of what's important, and what mic and preamp you use is suddenly more important than the results you get.
Old 10th August 2014
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It's only a great idea if it works well…as someone who have done this more than a few times at various levels I know that it's not as romantic as it seems.

If you don't have the technical chops to setup and get sounds within a reasonable time, you loose momentum, If you don't have the technical chops to troubleshoot and solve problems you will loose momentum. If you don't have the experience and discipline to keep the musicians motivated and hence keep things moving you will kill momentum and if this becomes a wankfest of using every piece of gear just for the sake of using it you will kill the vibe.

Without experience, discipline and common sense it's easy to loose sight of what's important, and what mic and preamp you use is suddenly more important than the results you get.



Extremely well said and extremely true.
Old 10th August 2014
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Humility?
Only on GearSlutz would a guy who's offering to record everyone for free get such a hard time from so many cynics.
Old 10th August 2014
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I'm having some weirdness with the automatic spell checker, it keeps changing the spelling of some words turning them into other words. In my post above it changed every instance of lose to loose.
Old 10th August 2014
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Loose the spellchecker!
Old 10th August 2014
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It's only a great idea if it works well…as someone who have done this more than a few times at various levels I know that it's not as romantic as it seems.

If you don't have the technical chops to setup and get sounds within a reasonable time, you lose momentum, If you don't have the technical chops to troubleshoot and solve problems you will lose momentum. If you don't have the experience and discipline to keep the musicians motivated and hence keep things moving you will kill momentum and if this becomes a wankfest of using every piece of gear just for the sake of using it you will kill the vibe.

Without experience, discipline and common sense it's easy to lose sight of what's important, and what mic and preamp you use is suddenly more important than the results you get.
Experience, discipline and common sense? I've met engineers with the experience, and more hands on technicalities then most. But, oddly they have the common sense of a dullard. Tracking and mixing has become so one-sided (what Pre-Amp for this, what EQ for that, what Compressor for this track) that there's no deviation between the standard for creativity.

What everyone forgets to put in the equation is there is NOT a standard for this art. Everyone has their own ears and they all react to vibrations in the air (sound) differently. Just because something is treated as the "Standard for a certain application" doesn't mean that there is not something you'll like more.

I'm highly disciplined and have no expectation to use every single piece we have available. I do however, plan to find what works for each "track" and apply my knowledge of each piece to help with that selection. Any testing or brain-storming for the new gear will be done at a time when tracking/mixing is not of the utmost importance.

It seems that because you offer something really nice for others who cannot afford it, you get a lot of negative feelings from people.
Old 10th August 2014
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It seems that because you offer something really nice for others who cannot afford it, you get a lot of negative feelings from people.
I don't see anyone berating you for offering that service...
I think that tidbit was fed to you by an earlier post, but if you look at the entirety of the thread there is no such notion from anybody.

If you feel there are negative feelings, look elsewhere...
Old 10th August 2014
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Tracking and mixing has become so one-sided (what Pre-Amp for this, what EQ for that, what Compressor for this track) that there's no deviation between the standard for creativity.
You do realize that a lot of talented people have been doing this successfully and with a lot of creativity for a very long time…the wheel was invented a long time ago.

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It seems that because you offer something really nice for others who cannot afford it, you get a lot of negative feelings from people.
Seriously dude…there was absolutely NOTHING negative said about you or your intention(s) in the post you quoted or any other post for that matter.
Old 10th August 2014
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I don't know about negativity, but there have been a lot of pointless posts in this thread.

Nevertheless Jerry there are also some great suggestions, and IMHO you should heed Samc's words. He was, I believe, referring mainly to the setup and preparation, which others have mentioned too -- setup time and troubleshooting can easily kill the creative vibe.

The creative time *after* setup is complete is, I suspect, where your main interests and talents lie. You don't strike me as a guy who loves lying on his back under patchbays trying to figure out why your ****ing DB25 connector is shorting out, or why there are sparks every time you patch, etc. Forgive me if I'm wrong and you love that kind of miserable endless demeaning back-breaking horrible toil.

Aside: I've spent 2 years re-flooring and re-wiring my basement, and this weekend I discovered I don't have the 240 XLR connectors I need to solder up the last of my patchbays. When I started down this road, I thought I would be set up and ready to make music in September... 2012...

Setup always takes way longer than you expect / have time for / can afford.

But as Samc says, with careful planning (you've got 4-1/2 months) and advance preparation, you can certainly pull it off. Think of your adventure as a live show, or a tour. When you're in a pinch recording or mixing a live show, you have to have a backup plan already in place and committed to memory. If you arrive with that, you'll be able to spend your energy on the creative stuff, and make some great recordings.

Be prepared to be exhausted at the end though.

Good luck!

Johann

Last edited by jtienhaara; 10th August 2014 at 11:48 PM.. Reason: August to January is 4-1/2 months, not 6. *Sigh*
Old 11th August 2014
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You do realize that a lot of talented people have been doing this successfully and with a lot of creativity for a very long time…the wheel was invented a long time ago.


Seriously dude…there was absolutely NOTHING negative said about you or your intention(s) in the post you quoted or any other post for that matter.
I didn't mean anything bad by what I said. I was more referring to some many users asking "which pre for this, what compressor for that". I was referring to the fact there's a lot of people out there who want you to tell them how to do there job. I, in fact, meant no disrespect in anyway.

I, however, could not quote 10 posts, (the one about humility) and etc. So, I made my reply based on what I thought to be the most helpful and carefully thought out post. Just use the search function here. There's so many "what should I buy for this or that" threads its insane. Even I'm guilty of asking such. When I should of in fact took the time to test, research and see what I preferred.

I, however hopefully have enough time to carefully plan out this entire thing. Have plenty of back-ups, for if a issue arises and etc. I'm sorry if my post came off as disrespect. I didn't mean it be judged as such.

I, however agree that the "creativity" wheel was invented long ago. I do however, think that it's disappearing. You have so many young engineers and other individuals who think because so-and-so used X-gear, that they should too. Just because you have the microphone, the Pre-Amp/EQ, the Compressor doesn't mean you're gonna sound like Micheal Bolton, Prince, Micheal Jackson or whoever.

Hopefully this made more sense as to what I was referencing. All the best!
Old 11th August 2014
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Without a pre-made road-rig, just be sure to prepare yourself for a few days of setup before you get to have any fun. I have done quite a few remote-records and my small rig, completely prepared, prewired, and planned-for-ultimate-efficiency still takes half a day to get together.

Seems a lot of work for just a month! If it were 2, 3, or more, I would be more pumped for you!

Even so, Have fun!
It's going to be awesome!
Old 11th August 2014
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I've done lockouts on studios for less than 30 days and spent over $45k (though there were separate engineer fees, tape cost, and other stuff). This doesn't seem that extravagant. Considering he is doing 2 albums, evaluating gear he is looking to buy, and rolling in a vacation, I rather like the idea. Good luck and enjoy. I will post back if I think of anything. I agree, there is some key item(s) missing--will letcha know if I think of it.

As always, be sure to have plenty of cables, strings, repair gear, strobe tuner, get all the guitars set-up properly ahead of time, drum heads, spare keys, etc. No sense blowing a lot of time running out for little **** you forgot.
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It's only a great idea if it works well…as someone who have done this more than a few times at various levels I know that it's not as romantic as it seems.

If you don't have the technical chops to setup and get sounds within a reasonable time, you lose momentum, If you don't have the technical chops to troubleshoot and solve problems you will lose momentum. If you don't have the experience and discipline to keep the musicians motivated and hence keep things moving you will kill momentum and if this becomes a wankfest of using every piece of gear just for the sake of using it you will kill the vibe.

Without experience, discipline and common sense it's easy to lose sight of what's important, and what mic and preamp you use is suddenly more important than the results you get.
all true, but production also is about 'going with the flow', get stuff happening. some chaos is good.

i thought this link might be appropriate, a web series called 'recording in improvised spaces'

Tutorials
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all true, but production also is about 'going with the flow', get stuff happening. some chaos is good.
You can't 'go with the flow' when there is no 'flow' and there is no 'flow' when you get bogged down with problems.

A location you don't know, which presents the potential for acoustic and noise problems...and a potential for electrical problems too. Then there is a large hodgepodge collection of gear and accessories that is not setup as a working system…and in my experience this adds up to lot of potential for things to go wrong.

I don't have to be in control all the time but chaos has never worked for me.
Old 11th August 2014
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Just hire Nathaniel Kunkel or someone who has done this before. This is a massive undertaking for someone who has to ask "whats missing." Sorry but you are kind of leaving youself open for some poking.
Old 11th August 2014
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Scanned the list; DI's?
What about some material for gobos or acoustic treatment?
Correct me if I missed it in your first post. Its an impressive and somewhat intimidating list. Have fun!
Old 12th August 2014
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Scanned the list; DI's?
What about some material for gobos or acoustic treatment?
Correct me if I missed it in your first post. Its an impressive and somewhat intimidating list. Have fun!
I'm actually taking along 300 GIK Acoustics 2x2 Free Stand Acoustic Panels and 80 or so Bass Traps on stands. I've also got a bunch of random (mostly whirlwinds) DI's in my miscellaneous box containing spare XLR and 1/4" connectors, my soldering kit, random pop-filters, clips, strings, picks and etc. Even got a few random Harps in there!

Jtien, you're actually correct though. My associate will actually be the one doing all the crawling around under the patch bays. I prefer to sit at and be in control of the desk, make sure everything is tracked correctly and make sure that each piece selected is giving the result our client wants!
Old 12th August 2014
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My associate will actually be the one doing all the crawling around under the patch bays. I prefer to sit at and be in control of the desk, make sure everything is tracked correctly and make sure that each piece selected is giving the result our client wants!
Did you, or he check the house to be sure it will be suitable for your needs?

Is the electrical supply safe, adequate, and stable enough? How much noise can you make without disturbing the neighbors? How many hours and which days can you make noise?

These are all situations I had to deal with on two recent recording projects in two different countries and in one case we had a big house in the middle of the countryside without neighbors but were constantly disturbed by three warring clans of crows. They were fighting for control of the trees around the house and made an awful racket when they attacked each other.
Old 12th August 2014
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Did you, or he check the house to be sure it will be suitable for your needs?

Is the electrical supply safe, adequate, and stable enough? How much noise can you make without disturbing the neighbors? How many hours and which days can you make noise?

These are all situations I had to deal with on two recent recording projects in two different countries and in one case we had a big house in the middle of the countryside without neighbors but were constantly disturbed by three warring clans of crows. They were fighting for control of the trees around the house and made an awful racket when they attacked each other.
Question 1: Yes, the electrical supply is safe, adequate and stable enough.
Question 2 : The area is completely secluded (nearly 10 miles from closest neighbor). Although, I have contacted the local area municipal building to get paperwork to be allowed above the maximum NL for those 30 days and paid my fees.

As far as crows go, I'm a great shot. They mess this up for me, I mess them up, haha.
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