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Old 10th December 2013
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An 80's series Neve equivilent to CAPI "The Missing Link"

I know this doesn't exist, I was just musing over what something like this would actually take. (A second gain stage, but created to mimic the mechanics of the old 80's series consoles I mean.) Anyone have any ideas?
Old 10th December 2013
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Honestly any Neve 1272 pre or Clone! For years people have been running them on the 2 buss for the sound!
Old 10th December 2013
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Honestly any Neve 1272 pre or Clone! For years people have been running them on the 2 buss for the sound!
I do that all the time (Maybe it would work?)


I was reading this article by John Klett on Neve topologies (LINK HERE)
and I was looking at the CAPI Missing Link pretty closely when I was mulling this over.

Lets say you had an AML EZ1073 or something. A modern clone without an attenuation knob, could something like a fader be simulated mechanically (*only with a knob, without costing fortunes), in an authentic way to what the old Neves had going on.

Anyway...I just wonder if something like that could be made for the 500 series. Maybe I'll PM Colin about it.
Old 10th December 2013
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I just built my own. Added rare 1884 modules (roundcan marinair) to my 1066 (roundcan marinair) then vintage faders (black) and currently a metal knob 33609 is still in place where hopefully a pair of 2264x will be soon into a pair of very early <#1000 1272. and then a pair of red faders. great for tracking with faders, as inserts, and of course summing. All you need is faders in the end.
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I just built my own. Added rare 1884 modules (roundcan marinair) to my 1066 (roundcan marinair) then vintage faders (black) and currently a metal knob 33609 is still in place where hopefully a pair of 2264x will be soon into a pair of very early <#1000 1272. and then a pair of red faders. great for tracking with faders, as inserts, and of course summing. All you need is faders in the end.
Man, you have to take a picture of that sometime, that sounds like it's a beaut.
Old 10th December 2013
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Man, you have to take a picture of that sometime, that sounds like it's a beaut.
Its in storage as im building my new studio but this is how 1884 look like as not even the die hard neve gurus seem to remember them. They are bigger than regular 1883 and surely twice the weight
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Old 10th December 2013
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Its in storage as im building my new studio but this is how 1884 look like as not even the die hard neve gurus seem to remember them. They are bigger than regular 1883 and surely twice the weight
Crazy...where's the new place going to be? Love the photos though!
Old 12th December 2013
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Its in storage as im building my new studio but this is how 1884 look like as not even the die hard neve gurus seem to remember them. They are bigger than regular 1883 and surely twice the weight
Hi

Actually, this Neve Guru remembers them...

Back in the early 70's Neve made several 24 channel 4 bus broadcast consoles based around 1066/1073 and these routing units with the hideously expensive to make anodised aluminium bar knobs. The consoles were 5004's but I doubt any exist now as most were bought for peanuts from the broadcast companies who had written them off, then were gutted for their 1073's and 1272's which started the quest for these modules.

Old 12th December 2013
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"Build a better mousetrap and people will beat a path to your door"...

So I guess the challenge is out there to the Neve re-creators to create a '73 channel strip that has the front end of the 1073, the EQ of a 1073 combined with an 81 or 84 and an output attenuator/second gain stage?

Geoff??
Old 12th December 2013
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Hi

Actually, this Neve Guru remembers them...

Back in the early 70's Neve made several 24 channel 4 bus broadcast consoles based around 1066/1073 and these routing units with the hideously expensive to make anodised aluminium bar knobs. The consoles were 5004's but I doubt any exist now as most were bought for peanuts from the broadcast companies who had written them off, then were gutted for their 1073's and 1272's which started the quest for these modules.

who would have guessed :D

of course, there is lots of neve gurus but only one geoff!

"hideously expensive to make anodised aluminium bar knobs" sounds ok to me

hope europe was a great trip!
Old 12th December 2013
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"Build a better mousetrap and people will beat a path to your door"...

So I guess the challenge is out there to the Neve re-creators to create a '73 channel strip that has the front end of the 1073, the EQ of a 1073 combined with an 81 or 84 and an output attenuator/second gain stage?

Geoff??
to truthfully recreate it you'd have to put a lot(!) of transformers in there
Old 12th December 2013
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who would have guessed :D

of course, there is lots of neve gurus but only one geoff!

"hideously expensive to make anodised aluminium bar knobs" sounds ok to me

hope europe was a great trip!
Hi

Europe trip was fabulous, rather long at 2 months and well over 4,000 miles of driving, and met nephew and his family in Felzberg and Aurora distributors in Vienna, Milan and Paris.

Only down thing was near Calais where we were booked into a site about 20 miles south of the port to catch the P & O ferry the following morning.

The GPS said the site would be on our right.... what are the odds that there would be two sites... first a Roma Refugee Site and the actual RV site next door, further along the road?

Turned into the first site which had a site name at the entrance and RV's and trailers parked inside...

First clue was lots of children and no adults in sight... they surround our RV like we are Santa Claus arriving early... a boy of about ten pushes a coat through the drivers door asking if we wanted to buy...

I declined, figured something was up, and drove out of the site. When I found the proper site I discovered the boy had stolen my Samsung Galaxy S4 from a cubby hole on the dashboard and the other kids had tried to break into the box trailer I was towing while I was distracted... fortunately the door was double locked with a padlock.

But it showed that their parents taught their children to steal...

Very sad... the phone was insured but I lost a lot of photos

Old 12th December 2013
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bummer...

felzberg? never heard. does the viennese distributor carry a sidecar?
yea france already started deporting them :/ kinda sad
use a "cloud" to sync your fotos, did that when i walked "the way" totally worth it and free.
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bummer...

felzberg? never heard. does the viennese distributor carry a sidecar?
yea france already started deporting them :/ kinda sad
use a "cloud" to sync your fotos, did that when i walked "the way" totally worth it and free.

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Felzberg is a small village in Germany... Vienna could get it, France, Floating Point Audio, has one you can play with. Check our site's Facebook for comments from a user. http://www.facebook.com/auroraaudio

I have my phone and pcs backed up by Carbonite but the wifi's at campsites is shakey at best so last full back up was pre the Paris photos.

Those Romas are already in the UK, camped near Marble Arch and use bushes for toilets...

Old 13th December 2013
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Yikes Geoff!!

Reminds me of the gypsy children in Moscow right after the wall came down. If you walked on the street, they were everywhere and they would surround you, and anything not tied down - passport, wallet, money or whatever would dissappear faster than you could blink. You'd get hands up under your shirt grabbing anything not firmly fastened to you. Sad.....and more than a little scary. Sounds like a great trip other than that....
Old 5th January 2014
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found pics of a Neve 5004 desk, those must be the only ones left to be found.

what an amazing summing desk this must have been, all "roundcan" mainair 1066/1884.

didnt ever get better than this desk (imho).
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Old 5th January 2014
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found pics of a Neve 5004 desk, those must be the only ones left to be found.

what an amazing summing desk this must have been, all "roundcan" mainair 1066/1884.

didnt ever get better than this desk (imho).
Hi

Yes, they were rare and great consoles usually made for independent TV stations back in the early 1970's. I am not sure about the round can thing as I can recall these consoles, just, and thought they had rectangular Marinairs.

Most of these consoles were sold to brokers for peanuts, typically around two thousand pounds (plus the back hander to the guy at the TV company) then gutted for the 1066/73 and 1272's because it was thought 4 bus 4 Aux consoles would fetch more $$$ in pieces than sold whole.

Sadly that's still a valid thought...



PS Look closely at the area above the faders... it was a transparent "Perspex" Acrylic with four different coloured lamps below it - to remind the engineer which busses the channel was assigned to. Don't forget that TV was mono back then and there would be a main and back up path.
Old 6th January 2014
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Why the fetisch on Roundcan Marinairs Nickelironsteel?
Just because they are rare or do you think they sound so different from other Marinairs?
Old 7th January 2014
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Why the fetisch on Roundcan Marinairs Nickelironsteel?
Just because they are rare or do you think they sound so different from other Marinairs?
imho: they sound and perform as different as vf14m sounds different to nuvistors in a u47. some don’t hear the difference. i certainly do.

when my rack of round can 1066 was last serviced i also serviced a pair of rectangular marinair 1066 that funnily were even a few serial numbers lower than the round cans. (both <#1000).
sceptical at first he told me the round cans really impressed him, especially how they shield against electric interference (mind, I’m not tech, don’t ask me specifics) compared to the rectangular ones.

foremost, they do sound different and they are my go to for lead vocals for tracking since they have a magic to them that no later 1073 has and combined with a a. grosser serviced u47 brass long body vf14m they are the ultimate vocal preamp for that solid state sound. (maihak v41b being the ultimate tube preamp of course for the u47)
Old 8th January 2014
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Interesting.
I have both versions (in a 1066 and a rare 1067 module) but have not realy tried them side by side to see if there was any difference.
The best Neve module i have had was a 1064 but that had the apparently not so desired St Ives 10468.
I honestly think all this hype is a bit silly have about every version of the 10468 maybe i should build a transformer rig and do a shoot-out between them.

The roundcan Marinairs was a "copy" of the earlier Gardners but i wonder if they have the same construction inside and if they are different from the later square transformers.
I have almost every version of the Gardeners so could try those out as well.
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Old 8th January 2014
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Interesting.
I have both versions (in a 1066 and a rare 1067 module) but have not realy tried them side by side to see if there was any difference.
The best Neve module i have had was a 1064 but that had the apparently not so desired St Ives 10468.
I honestly think all this hype is a bit silly have about every version of the 10468 maybe i should build a transformer rig and do a shoot-out between them.

The roundcan Marinairs was a "copy" of the earlier Gardners but i wonder if they have the same construction inside and if they are different from the later square transformers.
I have almost every version of the Gardeners so could try those out as well.
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Actually, I was informed that the 10468 was a stock Marinair transformer that was assigned that Neve number and then later copied by St Ives for a second source. It's a long time since I dabbled with this stuff in detail but I don't believe you will find a Gardners transformer with exactly the same ratios as the Marinair.

As for packaging... I believe the Octals had the same laminations and bobbins, etc., as the rectangular, just housed in a bigger case. Neve wanted to mount all the transformers inside the modules so the octals had to go...
Old 9th January 2014
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Hey you know I ran just a pair of 73 clones on the buss for a little while before I got into the summing game. I liked the output up a touch more than the input, just check your levels in PT to make sure it's not distorting (in a bad way) at -0- and go at it. I mixed on an old neve a couple of times, I remember when I ran the 73's across the buss it reminded me a little of it.

I do prefer the sound of API like gear on the buss much more. I guess I'm going to have to break down once I get some cash and build a pair of the Missing Links, few of my buddies have told me they are great.
Old 9th January 2014
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Hi

Actually, I was informed that the 10468 was a stock Marinair transformer that was assigned that Neve number and then later copied by St Ives for a second source. It's a long time since I dabbled with this stuff in detail but I don't believe you will find a Gardners transformer with exactly the same ratios as the Marinair.

As for packaging... I believe the Octals had the same laminations and bobbins, etc., as the rectangular, just housed in a bigger case. Neve wanted to mount all the transformers inside the modules so the octals had to go...

What points to a different direction from that is that i have never seen a T1444 before Neve used them, nor another Marinair either, in any piece of audio equipment.
Cadac and Audix used them as well but i believe that was a few years after Neve started using them.
But maybe they were a small company before Neve started buying transformers from them?

I also believe that the roundcans are the same inside as the rectangular ones.
I opened up my roundcan yesterday and sizewise the bobbins are the same as the rectangular transformers.
Either way, they seems to have been used at the same time along eachother.
Old 9th January 2014
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Yes i got close serials and the rounds and the rect were used interchangeably

Their innards are the same
Different housing
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What points to a different direction from that is that i have never seen a T1444 before Neve used them, nor another Marinair either, in any piece of audio equipment.
Cadac and Audix used them as well but i believe that was a few years after Neve started using them.
But maybe they were a small company before Neve started buying transformers from them?

I also believe that the roundcans are the same inside as the rectangular ones.
I opened up my roundcan yesterday and sizewise the bobbins are the same as the rectangular transformers.
Either way, they seems to have been used at the same time along eachother.
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There were earlier transformers than T1444... I have records of T1443 for the mic transformer. It was the basic rectangular case with two "L" shaped pieces much like the St Ives and Carnhills of today and they went to that fully wrapped case with the T1454, first with ten pins then later with 11.

This info was from when I was at Neve, it only remains now on my Psion 5MX mini-computer now. No pictures or further info.

Yes, it was a relatively small company...

Old 11th January 2014
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Geoff keep that Psion running! I can only imagine the the Neve data that would be lost without it!!!
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Hi

There were earlier transformers than T1444... I have records of T1443 for the mic transformer. It was the basic rectangular case with two "L" shaped pieces much like the St Ives and Carnhills of today and they went to that fully wrapped case with the T1454, first with ten pins then later with 11.

This info was from when I was at Neve, it only remains now on my Psion 5MX mini-computer now. No pictures or further info.

Yes, it was a relatively small company...

Perhaps a little off topic Geoff, but what's going on with this setup:
THE WAREHOUSE STUDIO

What are they doing with 10x 1883 bus modules?
Old 3rd November 2014
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Perhaps a little off topic Geoff, but what's going on with this setup:
THE WAREHOUSE STUDIO

What are they doing with 10x 1883 bus modules?
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It appears they mounted the channel amps and routing units + faders in a custom frame of sorts...

http://www.warehousestudio.com/files...und/S4-web.jpg

Of course the is not class A but is a powerful beast, none the less.

I'm not sure what they are doing about bussing....

Something weird with their site using IE11... the pictures are huge but not scrollable... when I paste a link here, the picture is tiny.

Old 4th November 2014
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Just wanted to say it's always great to read your posts on Neve gear Geoff! Thx for sharing your wealth of knowledge!
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Perhaps a little off topic Geoff, but what's going on with this setup:
THE WAREHOUSE STUDIO

What are they doing with 10x 1883 bus modules?
Totally off-topic. But that link just blew my mind for a moment. So weird, I ran a Studio in Jacksonville, Florida called Warehouse Studios, I know that's probably a common name around the world, still takes me back a while. I was there with the original owner for many years, the place still exsist, although only a shadow of its' former glory since it has passed hands several times now. The origin dates back to 1969, but its' current location and incarnation began in 1977. If you know anything about the history of music from that area of NE Florida, then you probably know the bands I've worked with, although I'll refrain from dropping names. Ok...sorry about the rant. Carry on.
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