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Anyone still using an API 8200a for summing? Summing Mixers
Old 4th June 2013
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Anyone still using an API 8200a for summing?

i have to down scale my studio a bit and still have an api 8200a laying here unused.

so i was thinking about a very simple DAW setup with 8 outs into the 8200a.
i would use the 8200a inserts for my left over outboard something like this:

channel 1-2 = drums -> 2500 and 5500
channel 3-4 = synths -> SMC2B
channel 5-6 = whatever -> Nothing
channel 7 = kick/snare -> Chandler Germ. Comp
channel 8 = vox or bass -> LA2A

the stereo out of the 8200a would go into a TK Blender/Smart C2 combo into a lavry black ad.

this way i wouldn't even need a patchbay anymore and could get a little analog feeling if needed.

but i do mostly electronic/pop now - no rock! so i am not sure if i really would benefit from this compared to going fully ITB with maybe my C2 on the 2bus …

and since it would probably take days to hook it all up and test this setup, i was hoping that someone has an opinion on this matter ;-)

so does anyone use a 8200a in a electro/pop context?
or should i skip the summing, sell it all and just keep something nice for the 2bus??
Old 5th June 2013
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I would be interested in some user opinions as well... your scenario looks like a cool and flexibel setup for mixing/summing.

but if you tend to sell it... hit me up
Old 5th June 2013
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I use an api 8200/7800.
I believe otb summing makes a big difference. Plus, you've got two api line amps to run your mix through.
The inserts are neat for a/b'ing, but not totally necessary.
The fader knobs are hard to mix with, usually best to leave them all open and mix with the daw.
Only having 2 sends can be kind of limiting as well.

I definitely think the 8200a makes a huge difference rather than just 'bounce to disk'.
I would probably keep a dsub patchbay around if you've still got one.

sounds like you might still need a monitor controller.. I don't know if the 8200a has separate monitor outs and 2 track outs.
Old 6th June 2013
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After reading this I am thinking of getting my Dangerous Music summing box out of storage and putting it back in the arsenal of gear being used.
Old 7th June 2013
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The 8200A kills!
sad they stopped making em,

Ah well,
Old 8th June 2013
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Thx for all the input!
i will give it a try … hope i will be happy with it.

right now i have 2 x uad 2192, api a2d, lavry da 10 & ad 10, one extra da 10 for monitoring.
all clocked by the uad 2192 and hooked up via rme adi-4 dd aes.

for the ultimate converter scale down i will now get a rme UFX and just keep a lavry ad10 & da10 via the AES i/o of the ufx.
8 analog outs of the ufx will go to the 8200a for the hardware inserts, back in via ad10. da10 for monitoring (into colemann M3PH).

now i have to rebuild my place ... good chance to clean up all the unreachable corners that have never been cleaned for the last 3 years ... heh
Old 9th June 2013
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Originally Posted by Doc Mixwell View Post
The 8200A kills!
sad they stopped making em,

Ah well,
you don't say. is the entire dsm line discontinued or just the standalone 8200a?
Old 7th July 2013
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api? api? api? api? api? api? api? api? api?

The 8200a is very cool.
Old 20th July 2013
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I also work exactly as you are planning to do with a 8200a. Except I have a Gml comp on the master and Elysia comp and 554 on the drum bus...
The analog summing - and api transformers, DOES make a big difference. I do agree a lot with the previous comment about that.
I probably would upgrade to 16 channels summing to have more submixes possibilities and analog processing.
I mostly mix acoustic and pop music.
The API 8200 was definitely one of my best investments.
Just my opinion of course...
Old 31st October 2014
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So when I called my local dealer for an SSL X Rack he told me he has still a 8200A in stock.... The unit is brand new, and they never looked back to that box. He told me it very worth this rare unit.

Im on Protools HDX,
Omni
HD I/o
Massive Passive
Manly VarMu
Lexicon Verb pcm91/81
Eventide H3k

How to hook up??
I'm thinking the lex via aes, and the Manleys on the inserts of the 8200A.

I'm wondering about the stereo outs.
Is there a also a insert possibly on the stereo out of the 8200A?

Please some tips n tricks.
Very near future...
I'm also in getting a lunchbox with some Api 550B and 525
Old 31st October 2014
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No insert on the master...
I own a GML 8900 permanently on the output of my 8200 going to my AD converter.
It's no a big problem in my opinion.
Old 31st October 2014
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Aah an other one...

The stereo outs back into the omni??
I don't get any other converter..
Old 31st October 2014
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No insert on the master...
I own a GML 8900 permanently on the output of my 8200 going to my AD converter.
It's no a big problem in my opinion.
Thansk for your reply Chewing.

I think the same way to do with my vari mu.
But always thought à bus compressor should always hooked on inserts instead of using the outputs to the input of an device and forward to the record medium.... Don't where I got that but somehow I picked it up somewhere and made it my standard.

Do you use the inserts on the 8200A?
What about the auxes? In use?
Old 31st October 2014
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We have an 8200a in our B room. Very cool little unit. Keep it AND get something nice for the mixbus (this is GS after all)
Old 1st November 2014
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We have an 8200a in our B room. Very cool little unit. Keep it AND get something nice for the mixbus (this is GS after all)
Nice for the mixbus?
Any suggestion? I looked up for n Api 7800 Master module...hard to find...
But any other configuration tips please..
Old 1st November 2014
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No insert on the master...
I own a GML 8900 permanently on the output of my 8200 going to my AD converter.
It's no a big problem in my opinion.
Whoa, what converter are you using then? It had better cost $10k+!
Old 1st November 2014
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I still sum to the 7800/8200 rig. Love it. Out of the DAW via RME cards, into 32 channels of Apogee DA 16x, into 32 channels of API 8200 channels. All mixing done in DAW. I do use the panning and inserts on the API rig.
Old 2nd November 2014
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I still sum to the 7800/8200 rig. Love it. Out of the DAW via RME cards, into 32 channels of Apogee DA 16x, into 32 channels of API 8200 channels. All mixing done in DAW. I do use the panning and inserts on the API rig.
Your mix out?? Where do you print that? Back into your daw?

I have a 8200A to try out. The unit is brand new and today I'm going to hook it up to my protools.

The auxes where can you use that for?? Can you use that as fx sends?
I understood that the auxes are post fader...
Old 2nd November 2014
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Your mix out?? Where do you print that? Back into your daw?

I have a 8200A to try out. The unit is brand new and today I'm going to hook it up to my protools.

The auxes where can you use that for?? Can you use that as fx sends?
I understood that the auxes are post fader...
Either as fx sends or parallel processing.
Old 2nd November 2014
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Your mix out?? Where do you print that? Back into your daw?

I have a 8200A to try out. The unit is brand new and today I'm going to hook it up to my protools.

The auxes where can you use that for?? Can you use that as fx sends?
I understood that the auxes are post fader...
If you ever want to sell let me know. I'm after more of these
Old 2nd November 2014
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If you ever want to sell let me know. I'm after more of these
I'm having a custom desk made for my B room. Might be persuaded to let mine go at that point.
Old 2nd November 2014
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I'm having a custom desk made for my B room. Might be persuaded to let mine go at that point.
If I link the two 8200a's does the signal go through the summing amps twice? I know you can link 8200's and then go into the 7800 but how does it work with the A version?
Old 2nd November 2014
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Whoa, what converter are you using then? It had better cost $10k+!
I have a mada 2 converter.
Quite nice !!
Old 2nd November 2014
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I have a mada 2 converter.
Quite nice !!
I think to go for a Lynx Hilo...

Still im configuring this, and what makes sense to send to the 8200A;

1-2 vocals
3-4 drums/bass
5-6 keys/gtrs
7-8 mstr/fx returns?

So what my concern is next.

Like for the vocals, when using verbs/delays itb for ex. altiverb/revibe
where do i route those fx?

And like to vocals are coming into input 1-2, and i would like an outboard EQ/Dynamics on it...( say a lunchbox )
than i can use the i send/returns for that, but i need to chain the external ex/dyn together and the output of the last module in the chain back into the 8200A via the return...

but this is my main concern...If i want to use that vocal to go into an fx (itb or external dive )...how do I fix that?

Old 2nd November 2014
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You must route the fx in the same out.
Unfortunately you must keep in mind that you will do a stem mix. So you can not compress your vocal bus on a side and not compress the vocal fx on the other side
It's always tricky. Sometimes it can be complicated
If you really have to go analog on a specific track you'd really would have better to print it on your daw.
Then you can use the fx of your daw..
Same thing for the drumbus.
Hope this helps
Old 2nd November 2014
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If I link the two 8200a's does the signal go through the summing amps twice? I know you can link 8200's and then go into the 7800 but how does it work with the A version?
You can't link 2 8200a units together, it doesn't work.

The 8200a and 8200 link together - up to 5 8200 units i believe.
Old 3rd November 2014
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You must route the fx in the same out.
Unfortunately you must keep in mind that you will do a stem mix. So you can not compress your vocal bus on a side and not compress the vocal fx on the other side
It's always tricky. Sometimes it can be complicated
If you really have to go analog on a specific track you'd really would have better to print it on your daw.
Then you can use the fx of your daw..
Same thing for the drumbus.
Hope this helps
Yes Thanks Chewing,

I'm goin to figure this out...maybe there is a way to use the aux sends to the daw back, so i will have the post signal of lets say the vocal channel. And send that back to my daw...

maybe i could go for use a lunchbox as inserts on my daw, make the entire wit ale outboard there and the send it to the 8200A...

if i want to use a little verb on a snare then the color of the signal will be fed the send with its own "post" signal...

I see a lot of possibilities here...

I think it would be better to use a patch bay so i can use my outboard across the entire rig each time as i want...

im selling my lexicon to buy bricasti and want to make full advantage of this.

i already saw that with linx hilo i will have al lot of possibilities according to monitoring...and the l/r of the 8200A back into protools ...
Old 3rd November 2014
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Whoa, what converter are you using then? It had better cost $10k+!
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Old 3rd November 2014
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I either print to analog tape or send the mix into my UA2192 and digitally into a Tascam solid state recorder. Then move the digital mix into my DAW for final processing.


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Your mix out?? Where do you print that? Back into your daw?

I have a 8200A to try out. The unit is brand new and today I'm going to hook it up to my protools.

The auxes where can you use that for?? Can you use that as fx sends?
I understood that the auxes are post fader...
Old 3rd November 2014
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Originally Posted by chewing View Post
I have a mada 2 converter.
Quite nice !!
Very nice. I've been using a Hilo lately...wonder if the MADA would be an upgrade.
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