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Old 26th September 2002
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so are you trying to be hip spelling cool with a K?

so the dip**** put a hatchet through his sisters head [was her name molly?]... he might of done it sober, he was obviously mentally derranged. i know a guy who stabbed his brothers wife 30+ times with the turkey carving knife on thanksgiving. so what? i also know a guy who blew his cousins brains out accidentally.... sober. **** happens.

but i guess according to renie that was just a dream anyway...

poor knox... i dont try to be hip. i dont give a **** about being "hip"... thats all illusion anyway. nobody is "hip". but i have experienced a lot of things. why dont you talk to your homeless men and find out that if they did consume lsd, it was simply one of many things ingested of which the others were more likely contributing to their own demise.

renie was making rash generalizations encompassing ALL substances which are far from equal. you dont suck dick to score a hit of lsd. but you might if you smoked crack and had no money. furthermore, she made assumptions of the effects of lsd without even coming close to its actuality.

and p.s. my wife VOLUNTARILY took it on her own accord... and took it many times after as well.
Old 27th September 2002
  #62
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AJ
I'll not waste time here as this subject is not what this forum is about . . You used the words "the first time I dosed my wife" THAT isn't voluntary in my days. THAT pissed me off, as to me LSD is not a joke and it seemed that you thought it was hip that you dosed someone. Especially a loved one. Somebody dosed me once and I knocked the **** out of them . . . it was your word. THAT is what you got a reaction from.

I will say this . . . as a recovered addict that has lived "drug addiction" and has come out the other end . . . and works with others that have done the same . . . . . none of it is to be glorified. Now what someone else does is none of my business as long as it doesn't effect me. But, don't assume, until you get in and work with others, that LSD has not been a problem or caused problems for some.

As far as the other dumbass comments . . . you are welcome to send any thing to my email you wish if you need response.
Old 27th September 2002
  #63
I think you CAN lump all drugs together..

Booze
Smokes
Narcotics

All cost you money & make you look older.
Old 27th September 2002
  #64
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Quote:
Originally posted by Knox
it was your word. THAT is what you got a reaction from..
and it was your misunderstanding. how about first time i turned on my wife. fed her. gave her. its a DOSE, thats how its given. DOSED is being given.

i dont think i would knock the **** out of someone for giving me acid, id probably thank them and be on my merry way.

and frankly i dont give a **** about some homeless guys sob story... especially not when i work my ASS off to get what i want in life. sure i will give them a smoke if they ask for it, possibly buy them a beer. but to generalize the effects of drugs with a minority who couldnt handle their **** is a bit overboard.


jules, acid can be gotten from $0.60-$5 a hit that lasts for 12 hours. after which most people dont do again for a while [although i did go for a month straight once]... most say i still have a baby face [plus i smoke, drink... basically do as i wish].... its those nasty cocaine habits that will cost you a fortune.
Old 27th September 2002
  #65
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Sorry man . . I got to respond to this one!

That last comment about "not giving a **** about a homeless guy" shows me how clueless you really are. Is that what you REALLY think or is this another of your sensationalist post to get a rise? Homelessness has very little to do with people that"couldn't handle their ****" . . . it can happen to any one . . who knows? Maybe even you.

And yea man . . . someone dosing another with a powerful brain **** of a drug when they are not prepared is a selfish, chicken**** thing to do to someone and knocking the **** out of them is letting them off lite in my view. Again . . ask Billy Cox for one. Dosed is "dosed".
Old 27th September 2002
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what the **** do i care about billy cox for? [are you speaking of the band of gypsys billy cox? if so i REALLY dont give a **** then, i always preferred noel redding in the band] dosed is dosed, so what? its only a brain **** drug for the weak minded... and does the human population really need more weak minded individuals? the world seems to be full of them. its a relatively easy trip even for the uninformed in the proper enviroment, permagrin all night. i dont think i would want to take it with charles manson however... its all about who you choose as company.

and no, i really doubt homelessness would happen to me.... although i do believe the universe has had it in for me the past few weeks. but guess what? im going to keep on fighting until my last breath.'

so keep on with your holier than thou sobriety bull****... better yet, save it for your little homeless friends who give a damn.... then again, most of those people dont.
Old 27th September 2002
  #67
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p.s. getting pcp slipped into a J is FAR WORSE than getting dosed on acid. or having crack snowcap slipped on a bud...
Old 27th September 2002
  #68
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lol . . u really are a chicken**** little punk aren't you? I thought you just acted like one . . now I see you really are one. Drop your tough guy act and send it to email if you need to continue this, though personally I'm too busy for it. Doesn't your 'little' tough guy ACT get exhausting? Personally . . I don't care if you shoot glue into your brain . . . sobriety is what I do for me.
Old 27th September 2002
  #69
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better than being a sober old fart fuuck
Old 27th September 2002
  #70
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It's a mystery to me, but I do have a theory.

Alphajerk vacilates between lucid, sometimes remarkably thoughtful posts, and somewhat insensate, needlessly vulgar and offensive posts. Why?

I would guess that a perusal of a couple of forums would likely reveal AJ at the center of more flamefests than 99.9% of posters. OTOH, he also has a pretty big fanbase, due primarily to the aforementioned thoughtful and insightful posts. Again, why the dicotomy?

I think this thread is intriguing, as it relates to my theory. Why would a person who seems at many times like a "thinker" and seems to have his heart in a good place in some posts write "and frankly i dont give a **** about some homeless guys sob story"?

The answer, as far as my theory goes, is "drugs". Seriously. But it's only a theory, since I can't possibly know in reality.

One of my least favorite aspects of recreational drug use, heck substance abuse in general, is the often unpleasant effects it has on otherwise nice people's persona, while inhaling, ingesting or imbibing. Anyone else feel the same?

So my theory is that undulating moods, the result of some sort of controlled substance intake, are behind the wide panorama of posting dispositions we see.

Again, it's just a theory, but I'm the sort who involuntarily rotates puzzling questions over and over in my mind, looking for resolution. This thread, and the passionate defense of some pretty serious (at least IMO) drug use just seemed to drop some puzzling pieces into place for me.

I hope these comments aren't overly offensive, as I realize they might appear. Please consider the complimentary aspects of my post, as well as the potentially critical ones, in the balance. But I don't find any of this a compelling argument on behalf of drug use.


Regards,
Brian T
Old 27th September 2002
  #71
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This thread is on drugs....

Old 27th September 2002
  #72
How essentially ancillary drugs really are to good music in the year 2,002 is moot IMHO.

A teetotal, Mormon recording engineer could knock up a credible 'psychedelic sound effect' for a songs middle 8, I am sure of it.

I am sure a lot of effective Trance music gets made without a MDMA pill being taken.

If all the good chord progressions have been 'used before' - have all the drug altered states been 'taken'? To be replicated, or imagined with ease by anyone? So much so that drugs have become - "un-special"?



P.S. please chill the hate filled posts.. Move the action back up to the cerebrum and away from the fists.. thanks..
Old 27th September 2002
  #73
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Quote:
Originally posted by BrianT

The answer, as far as my theory goes, is "drugs". Seriously. But it's only a theory, since I can't possibly know in reality.

One of my least favorite aspects of recreational drug use, heck substance abuse in general, is the often unpleasant effects it has on otherwise nice people's persona, while inhaling, ingesting or imbibing. Anyone else feel the same?

So my theory is that undulating moods, the result of some sort of controlled substance intake, are behind the wide panorama of posting dispositions we see......

...I hope these comments aren't overly offensive, as I realize they might appear. Please consider the complimentary aspects of my post, as well as the potentially critical ones, in the balance. But I don't find any of this a compelling argument on behalf of drug use.

Regards,
Brian T
Brian

You have hit the nail on the head. It's important to bear it in mind.

I don't think you've been offensive just balanced and insightful.

For music performance and production the question is whether or not we tolerate, desire or reject the 'hyped' positives that can occur under the influence. As we've seen in the thread there is lots of evidence that well loved records have been made this way and there are lists of the casualties.
These examples are the extremes at both ends of the spectrum.

For me now, any magic I could capture that way is not worth the price that's paid for it. It seems like that route has been well and truly trodden, now we're maybe looking at new creative ways to allow the magic to flow
that enhances the people involved on the way....


PS Jules didn't see your post b4 posting this off yuktyy
Old 27th September 2002
  #74
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Quote:
Originally posted by BrianT
I think this thread is intriguing, as it relates to my theory. Why would a person who seems at many times like a "thinker" and seems to have his heart in a good place in some posts write "and frankly i dont give a **** about some homeless guys sob story"?
'

nice theory but just a theory... the reason i dont give a **** about some homeless person is because i bust my ****ing ass every day of the year. i just went 5 years straight on 80 hours weeks without a vacation.

knox is just so full of himself thinking the homeless dont want to be there... they do. they DONT want to work. they DONT want to make their lives better. most have just simply given up on life. you might not know it but even though the town of asheville is small compared to the major cities but there is actually more homeless people here per capita than most [if not all] major cities. i have talked with a ****load of them so my opinion isnt just spawn from ignorance.

they just want the fish, they dont want to learn how to fish. that is my problem and thats why i dont give a **** about them. of course i hold as little value for those who are intent on catching EVERY fish leaving none for anyone else. its a balance. i dont hold either end of the spectrum in high regard.

you can think its due to the drugs but its not... its just my values. i dont carry the sacred value of human life that some people carry. i believe in abortion, the death sentence and see the human race as a cantankerous cancer ridden sore on the face of the earth simply out to destroy rather than coexist. egotistical beings who destroy plants and animals without concern as if humans are somehow better than these "inferior" beings. so why should i care about another humans existance on this planet ultimately overpopulating the earth and destroying it? a lifeform who think they are so much better than they have nothing to learn from these other inhabitants [which includes ergo, psycilocybin, salvia, wormwood, dmt, peyote, sativa and any other base that can enlighten the user] we lost [or never gained] out telepathic abilities to communicate with other inhabitants... regulated them to food and pets... all the time holding humans as the dominant force shaping the planet [while destroying it] would you like to supersize your order?

so who's heart is really in the right place?
Old 27th September 2002
  #75
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Quote:
Originally posted by BrianT
I would guess that a perusal of a couple of forums would likely reveal AJ at the center of more flamefests than 99.9% of posters. OTOH, he also has a pretty big fanbase, due primarily to the aforementioned thoughtful and insightful posts. Again, why the dicotomy?
you got me on that one... i have no clue either. but i have been this way from day one [long before i inbibed any substance]... but anyone who has actually met me in person knows better than just my words here. in person they are delivered with a smile and while they might still be non congruent with the major populations ideology, they are not as offensive as might seem posted here [or anywhere]
Old 27th September 2002
  #76
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Quote:
Originally posted by alphajerk
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so who's heart is really in the right place?
The person who acts in a loving way towards other human beings.


Regards,
Brian T
Old 27th September 2002
  #77
Are warm fuzzies just round the corner?


If so, could someone score me an 1/8th!

grggt
Old 27th September 2002
  #78
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Quote:
Originally posted by BrianT


The person who acts in a loving way towards other human beings.

thats that humanistic egocentrism im talking about. such a shame.
Old 28th September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by alphajerk


thats that humanistic egocentrism im talking about. such a shame.
So I surmise that this means you believe that acting in a loving way towards other people somehow precludes acting in a loving way towards animals, plants, places or other objects? That seems odd to me, as a concept.

Is it the act of loving people that bothers you, or the belief that loving people somehow dilutes one's ability to love other deserving things, or do you simply disapprove of love in general?


Regards,
Brian T
Old 28th September 2002
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well i did say i gave them smokes and an occasional beer... thats loving.

the concept is that there are already too many humans. we kill deer when they overpopulate an area. why do we insist on saving all humans while we destroy everything else?
Old 28th September 2002
  #81
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Which specific humans do you think should be the first to go?

BT
Old 28th September 2002
  #82
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It ain't the crack, but the cracker that's the problem here, but this thread is really going down hill fast. Take care Logan
Old 28th September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by BrianT
Which specific humans do you think should be the first to go?

BT
honestly. the ones who want to go. we dont have a problem putting our animals to sleep when they are suffering from disease but we put the doctor in jail who helps humans who need to leave their body.

we try and save all humans instead of leting those who want out just go.
Old 28th September 2002
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live and let live

Old 30th September 2002
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as someone who worked in studios in the late 60s thru the 70s i can tell you that i never heard anything that couldn't have been better without the drugs.....so many great musicians i have worked with are no longer here....and i am lucky to be breathing and clean for 16 years.....and enjoying producing and recording more than ever....
Old 30th September 2002
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Despite what my parents probably feared for years when I was younger, my drugs have pretty much always been more or less limited to music (my worst habit), rollerblades, motorcycles, red wine, good food, and female, uh, companionship...(difficult to overdose on the latter, though, when you have as little time as I do). And now, this forum as well -- (note to self, spend less time here).

Regarding drugs, I am pretty tolerant...as long as people are respectful of others and the studio and are in reasonable command of themselves.

Day to day, what I usually see happening is a little bit of alcohol, lots of cigarettes, and a fair amount of fatties. Not so much coke anymore, and very rarely anything else, fortunately.

I'm around young people a lot in the 16-25 age bracket and watch them as they go through their drug phase...the anti-social stuff, the money problems, the encounters with the police...then coming out of it and getting their stuff together. It's an ongoing struggle for many of them, though.

My attitude regarding my own habits has always been that I've got enough problems to deal with, without adding a drug one.
Old 2nd October 2002
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wiggy Neve Slut
[B]'the thin white line... such a waste of time' Shihad 1998 (NZ band)

Bro I come from the same town as these cats..If you know em you'd laugh. BTW they are now called Pacifier & are trying to make it big in the states.I say best of luck!!!

cher cher

FWIW here in Aotearoa it is considered rude not to bring the weed of wisdom to a session . Peace
Old 3rd October 2002
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A couple days ago, I arrived at a studio to do a session... Several hours go by, and I figure the artist is late, or flaked, etc... I get a phone call from the artist's girlfriend at the hospital, explaining that he freaked out after doing some lines of 'speed'. While I'm thankful I didn't have to witness this at the studio, I would have rather made music than watch TV all time staring at my watch.

Today I got a phone call from this artist, who I consider a friend, asking me for a loan. This is an arist who is on a major label with several records under his belt.

Hard drugs cost the industry money, time, effort, trust, and are just generally wrong in any work enviroment.
Old 16th March 2003
  #89
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Brian Wilson
Peter Green

Two guys I wish had never tried acid.

-K
Old 16th March 2003
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I'm tolerant of Dope and drinking, (as long as it isn't out and out drunkeness), but I have never heard any artist play better under the influence.

Sure, I know guys that can still play well after a joint, but sure as hell they don't play better for it.

Any hard drugs Heroin, crack, etc. they are wasting their time trying to book me, I honestly don't need or want their work.

Regards


Roland
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