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Old 20th September 2002
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AS long as the smell doesn't distract me, do your thing. Drug abuse is pretty much for herbs, but smoking in the control room and other places I have to work bugs the fuk out of me, and I don't really tolerent it. The a-holes I don't pay mind to, but if my friends are abusing junk, I try to offer some preachless words of friendly advice.
Old 20th September 2002
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There is a trend I have seen with coke and heroin - it comes in and equipment goes out.

I was luck enough to not get into it when my friends were. Way too many horror stories.

I don't preach against it, I just stay away. No problem if a client wants to partake, they become someone else's client.

I always think of heroin as a vampire, cause from my experience the users tend to feed on the life of those who try to help.

Well, that got me down. Anyone up for a game of frisbee? yuktyy
Old 20th September 2002
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Anyone up for a game of frisbee? yuktyy

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Old 20th September 2002
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Got it!

Hey Jules, go long!!!
Old 21st September 2002
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This is your gear budget...

This is your gear budget on drugs...

any questions?
Old 21st September 2002
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devils advocate

i dont let people in my studio unless they are on hard drugs
i dont have time to waste ...
i might let them in if they smoked a bit of THC or drunk alot of JD
but if musicians cant take their careers seriously enff
then i dont see why i should spend any of my finite
time on this planet having them bore me to tears.

..the 4 camp..

led zep
the stones
pink floyd
bob marley
chilli peppers
beatles
rage against the machine
billy holiday
charlie parker
mingus
louie armstrong
sex pistols
nirvana
janice joplin
bob dylan
free
busta
..any decent hip hop
the cure#
XTC
anyone....

you do the maths ........

Old 21st September 2002
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OK, drugs have had a positive influence on many people that led them down new and interesting creative paths; but look at your list and think about how many of those bands/individuals suffered devastating losses and/or tragic deaths at young ages as a direct result.

- jon
Old 21st September 2002
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Hard drugs are one thing but I must say that I am more than a little shocked at the anti-cannabis sentiments expressed in much of this thread. Tracking is one thing, but I find that a mild hallucinogen such as THC can only aid in mixdown. It is, after all, an enchancer(amplifying/distorting emotional responses) and can save you a great deal of time evaluating the "aesthetic" of whatever sonic alterations you are experimenting with in a mix. I have also found it useful during extreme detail work such as tweaking the minutia of an artificial reverb to absolute perfection(a sorely lacking skill in most engineers, IMHO)

The downside, of course, is loss of context. However, with refrequent referencing this ceases to be a problem. Additionally, I have heard individuals claim to be unable to interface efficiently with the machines whilst stoned but that has never been a difficulty for me.

bye-bye
kesserich
Old 21st September 2002
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no one said it was going to be easy...

Old 23rd September 2002
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yall are arrested

Old 23rd September 2002
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Re: devils advocate

Quote:
Originally posted by vsl666
i dont let people in my studio unless they are on hard drugs
i dont have time to waste ...
i might let them in if they smoked a bit of THC or drunk alot of JD
but if musicians cant take their careers seriously enff
then i dont see why i should spend any of my finite
time on this planet having them bore me to tears.

..the 4 camp..

led zep
the stones
pink floyd
bob marley
chilli peppers
beatles
rage against the machine
billy holiday
charlie parker
mingus
louie armstrong
sex pistols
nirvana
janice joplin
bob dylan
free
busta
..any decent hip hop
the cure#
XTC
anyone....

you do the maths ........

I've done the math.

Charlie Parker
Dee Dee Ramone
Darby Crash
Nick Drake
Janice Joplin
Bon Scott
Shannon Hoon
Jimi Hendrix
Layne Stanley
Steve Clark
Ray Heredia
Sid Vicious
Johnathon Melvion (Smashing Pumkins Keyboardist)
Jim Morrison
Bradley Nowell
G.G. Allen
Elvis


Lose a friend or two to hard drugs, and it will piss off any normal thinking human being. Not to mention the countless list of artist that began teabaggin' the balls of life when they started hard drugs.
Old 23rd September 2002
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besides the 'fors' and 'agins'... I thought the question was what would I do...

Those 'for' folks are just fine...and most of them would spend the necessary energy explaing why they should be allowed to do what they wish in the name of artistic enhancement...and that's fine with me.

But the 'agin' folks should not be frowned upon for their positions nor should we be required to offer an explanation - as my Dad says, "He who hath the gold makes the rules." Same with cigarettes-if I visit someone who is a non smoker, common sense demands that I do not light up in his house or business.

If for no other reason, respect for everyone's right to choose, not just the very vocal minorities...

If a client absolutley insists on toking while here, I ask them to step over to a neighbor's yard (one one side: a prosecution attorney...one the other side a local Drug Abuse counseling center...out back is a Nazarene church...)
Old 24th September 2002
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hi e-cue

how ya doing ?

you only live 1nce...if i choose to spend my time in a studio
then it had better be with the best artists .. i dont intend to spend my days doing middle the road mediocre bollocks..if those people
for whateverreason feel the need then what can i do ?
i mean if i said no to any artist that took drugs who would i work with ?i would not turn any of the folk down on my list for
that reason

*shruggs*

its a hard subject..but the better artists tend to be broken people ?the better artists seem to feel life on a more intense
emotional level than i do ..from day to day ...maybe it all
gets a bit intense whatever the reason if billy holiday turns up i think i'll set the mic up and shut up ..its what i live for
what else could i do ?

also we dont live in an ideal world ..its just the way i found it..
and altho people seem to feel that you ought to be able
to be one of those folk on the list without chemicals it just never seems to work out like that does it ? so who am i to fly in the faCE
of reality

if you wanna live 4 ever go do yoga
i go in the studio to do the do
if you see what i mean
anyway i bet youve had your moments huh ?

and MICHEAL ? why did you change policy ...??as you can tell i think your new policy is better ..if good music is the top of your list....and if it isnt it wont be huh ?

grudge

Old 24th September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by David R.

I always think of heroin as a vampire, cause from my experience the users tend to feed on the life of those who try to help.

wow. so true.
Old 24th September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by vsl666
and MICHEAL ? why did you change policy ...??as you can tell i think your new policy is better ..if good music is the top of your list....and if it isnt it wont be huh ?

grudge

when did I change my policy? I was exposed to extensive druguse by some of the artists I worked with at the beginning of my career, after I moved to the USA. I was green and inexperienced and had not been exposed to that kind of "partying" before. I was wasting a lot of time on recording stuff that got erased the next day when they realised what REALLY went down on tape. I had to sit there, recording with earplugs in my ear, while the artist was listening to the monitors so loud that the poweramps overheated every three minutes. That's when I decided, that this is not for me and that I was going to stay away from it, even if it would cost me income, like in the G&R situation.

If anybody wants to kill themselves by abusing drugs outside of the project, when we're not working, fine. I'll try to talk some sense into them, but if they don't want to hear about it, nothing I can do. Just don't waste MY time by making me a slave to your addiction. And if this ends up being the only way the music business functions, I'll do something else.

I did my share of drugs when I was 15, no coke or heroin ever, just every pill and hashish that was available at the time, mixed with lots of alcohol. Luckily I came to my senses just before it was too late and never touched anything after. Today I get physically sick when I smell a fatty being burned anywhere within 25 feet of me.

So, same policy: don't waste my time by taking drugs that affect your ability of judgement while we are working together. Besides that, I don't like to be in an altered state of mind, when I have to make decissions affecting the life of 4 or 5 people, whose future might be in my hands right there and then. That is some heavy **** if you think about it. heh
Old 24th September 2002
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Michael,

That was pretty much Mutt's headspace. He's substance free. He was obviously saddened when he talked about all the live's he'd seen ruined by drug use over his career.

So none of that shenanigans in the CR on a Mutt gig. If people choose to commit slo-mo suicide outside the CR, what's a producer to do? But in the CR, not.

Hey, we're talking personal opinion and headspace here, right? I would be bummed out to think that I required a substance to feel truly creative. That just seems like a groovebuster to me.


Regards,
Brian T
Old 24th September 2002
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Re: hi e-cue

Quote:
Originally posted by vsl666
how ya doing ?

you only live 1nce...if i choose to spend my time in a studio
then it had better be with the best artists .. i dont intend to spend my days doing middle the road mediocre bollocks..if those people
for whateverreason feel the need then what can i do ?
i mean if i said no to any artist that took drugs who would i work with ?i would not turn any of the folk down on my list for
that reason

*shruggs*

its a hard subject..but the better artists tend to be broken people ?the better artists seem to feel life on a more intense
emotional level than i do ..from day to day ...maybe it all
gets a bit intense whatever the reason if billy holiday turns up i think i'll set the mic up and shut up ..its what i live for
what else could i do ?

VSL, uhm, okay... Maybe you are the one person I wish would do too many drugs and OD. fuuck

Drugs are a pain in the ass in the studio. Save that crap for when the record is done. Then snort what's left of your advance up your nose and watch your penis shrink, stay up for weeks straight, and end up shivering behind a dumpster man *****ing yourself for more rock.
Old 25th September 2002
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drugs r bad m kay

i guess im not saying drugs are good or bad
im not saying i take them on sessions
but the question was to studio/session policy
and if kurt/billy/john lennon or whoever turned up
turn on then i would let them in
rollz
happily

this is a service industry heh

mutt might not put the bands he works with do/have...
i remember a couple of sessions quite well...rollz

E CUE...fuuck

Old 25th September 2002
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Drugs are evil .... no matter how much you think they create vibes, special electricity , unique environmental states of mind blah blah etc etc ...

NOTHING justifies the use of them .... NOTHING .... I couldn't care less if it was Kurt or John or Lou or David or whatever. Fact is that there are lots and lots of young kids and adolescents out there who look for role models in the music industry. It's and evil that should be banned ...; also from the music industry.
Old 26th September 2002
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all drugs are not evil... its the people who despise them that are evil. long before the recreational use of drugs, shamens of all communities used them to make contact with the spiritual world. to find answers. to enlighten.

sure there are some bad drugs. cocaine really has no purpose other than numbing your body and mind. crack is certainly evil... meth...

but pot evil? maybe laced with PCP [but that is certainly fun if it works for you and doesnt freak you out... my girlfriend a long time ago smoked it with me once and i loved it but it made her puke] LSD is an incredibly NONevil drug... which has the capabilities of opening up the universe. i hear that DMT actually DOES open up the universe on a scale that is IMPOSSIBLE to describe. Salvia does as well [and its currently legal]. psycilocyben is another mind expander drug... only the weak minded seem to be bothered with its power.

musicians arent meant to be role models. neither are sports figures. parents are supposed to be role models. teachers to some extent just due to the amount of time they spend in kids lives.
Old 26th September 2002
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X$?u?]Originally posted by alphajerk [/i]
LSD is an incredibly NONevil drug... which has the capabilities of opening up the universe. i hear that DMT actually DOES open up the universe on a scale that is IMPOSSIBLE to describe. Salvia does as well [and its currently legal]. psycilocyben is another mind expander drug... only the weak minded seem to be bothered with its power.

musicians arent meant to be role models. neither are sports figures. parents are supposed to be role models. teachers to some extent just due to the amount of time they spend in kids lives.
[/QUOTE]

I'd say LSD doesn't open up the universe, rather it closes off reality and then opens the window to the individual's fantasy world. Like dreaming sleep but rocket blasted. The imagination is great it just seems a disconnected and destructive way of reaching it.

I think we're all role models whatever job/life we do...not just to kids, but to eachother.

I agree with AJ that all drugs aren't 'evil', it's more complex than that. People experiment with possibilites; medically, emotionally, and it comes down to choice at the end of the day.
Old 26th September 2002
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I think muscians 'waiting to become famous' have a lot of spare time for

1) Childrens TV programs
2) Drugs

Perhaps they are connected?

heh
Old 26th September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Renie
I'd say LSD doesn't open up the universe, rather it closes off reality and then opens the window to the individual's fantasy world. Like dreaming sleep but rocket blasted. The imagination is great it just seems a disconnected and destructive way of reaching it.
are you serious? have you ever done it? it doesnt sounds like it from your comment.... because it certainly doesnt close off reality whatesoever, quite the opposite. and its NOTHING like dreaming sleep.
Old 26th September 2002
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When something gets sold, role models are created as schills to promote the product and it's phoney and wrong. As Alpha said role models should be parents and teachers and members of the community that we live in. Because I like a band's music doesn't mean I have to like the individual players. In fact those of us who work with musicians realize that there are just as many (maybe more, due to the phoney bull**** nature of the business) asswipes in the music community as in any community, too bad the MTV generation, isn't hip to this.
As far as banning drugs and creating the "all drugs are evil" boogie man, that is also phoney and wrong. There are all these programs in the schools, run by cops, that preach the boogie man drug bull**** and kids don't buy it and it's very harmful. Some kids, (a lot of kids) eventually do try pot and they find that the info they were given was wrong then they start to question whether the info were they were given on smack and other stuff was wrong. Time to open up drug use and take away the misinformation. I would rather my kids smoke a joint then drink half a bottle of vodka at a party. I would much rather they talk to me about anything they want to check out, something which just doesn't happen when we create the "all drugs are evil" boogie man. Take care Logan
Old 26th September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by alphajerk


are you serious? have you ever done it? it doesnt sounds like it from your comment.... because it certainly doesnt close off reality whatesoever, quite the opposite. and its NOTHING like dreaming sleep.
Yes I'm serious. No I haven't 'done' LSD. I don't think I need to have experienced something directly to have a valid view. I feel I have plenty of relevant experience to inform me. I was using the exact LSD example because you mentioned it but my point is the same whether an altered state is achieved by gin, valium or whatever.

What I meant by the dreaming example is that it's a world of imagination. It's not a very good example. I was trying to highlight the degree of self absorption I think is really going on.

Where we seem to differ is you saying to opens up the universe/reality and my view is that that being 'high' is a false state so it cannot be opening reality it must be closing it. Of course people experience it as an opening but it's illusory.
Like the drunk who thinks they are a better driver/lover/orator once under the influence, it's fake, the connection with reality is diminished...
It's my view that much of the appeal of drugs and drink are their ability to offer a sense of connectedness (often giving permission by releasing inhibition) while really allowing one to escape and detach.

This is a huge complex subject. The actual effects that each individual drug and drink offer are variable of course but I'm talking about a common thread to them all.

Cheers,
Old 26th September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Renie


Yes I'm serious. No I haven't 'done' LSD. I don't think I need to have experienced something directly to have a valid view.
i can honestly say, no you dont have a valid view. i say that in the kindest way... i do not have a valid view of heroin because i have never done it... although i am aware of its severe addictiveness and consequences that i have chosen to stay away from it until i am very old and on my death bed... im gonna be a junky geezer when i grow up. but with lsd, i have done more than the government considers legally sane [in one "trip"], and have taken many of those doses over many occasions... it has NOTHING to do with imagination. its all VERY real. and its so exact everytime that if it were based simply on imagination then it would vary quite differently each time. what does vary is the enviroment and mood of the tripper.

i remember the first time i dosed my wife [then girlfriend] who stated "this is NOTHING like what i had heard about it... all of that was very silly really"... you really dont know jack squat about it until you are actually on it.

i would suggest you do further research [best would be actually doing it] before you come to conclusions on how it makes you feel. lsd is probably one of the most powerful mind expanding drugs ever known to man... and also the drug that brought the human race out of the dark ages into the enlightenment period [do some research to figure that one out, look for ergo rye] sure there are the psylocybin, peyote, mescaline alternatives but NONE give the user the control over the trip like lsd. why do you think the government has such strict punishment for the drug? rapists and murderers get out of jail before lsd offenders... its because it has the power to destroy everything that "they" have put in place to keep the human race complacent.

lsd does open the universe. it most certainly doesnt close it down.... and ****ing on lsd will blow your freaking mind [since you used that in your drunk example.. of course unless you are very experienced, i dont suggest you drive on it]. it also lets one lose their ego and allows for great personal reflection as well as reflection of the enviroment around them.

i have actually had telepathic communication on lsd with another human as well as transcendance of this "reality" we soberly live in. lsd excites your brain beyond where it normally functions [usually @ 7% of its capability].

there is absolutely such an incredible amount of things i have learned due to lsd that would not of come from sobriety, i cant even begin to describe to you. i have played shows on lsd where i was literally playing on autopilot... my mind was fully disconnected with what was coming out of my hands to the guitar. i could actually watch myself play... and i played things that had never crossed my mind before.

be careful what you choose as an "exact" example when you arent fully aware of what that example really is.
Old 26th September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by alphajerk
all drugs are not evil... its the people who despise them that are evil. long before the recreational use of drugs, shamens of all communities used them to make contact with the spiritual world. to find answers. to enlighten.

sure there are some bad drugs. cocaine really has no purpose other than numbing your body and mind. crack is certainly evil... meth...

but pot evil? maybe laced with PCP [but that is certainly fun if it works for you and doesnt freak you out... my girlfriend a long time ago smoked it with me once and i loved it but it made her puke] LSD is an incredibly NONevil drug... which has the capabilities of opening up the universe. i hear that DMT actually DOES open up the universe on a scale that is IMPOSSIBLE to describe. Salvia does as well [and its currently legal]. psycilocyben is another mind expander drug... only the weak minded seem to be bothered with its power.

musicians arent meant to be role models. neither are sports figures. parents are supposed to be role models. teachers to some extent just due to the amount of time they spend in kids lives.

just wondering what your reaction would be if in X years your kid gets picked up by the police for robbing something or someone to get to the money for paying for his last dose of cocaine for example .... sure .... some seem harmless .... but it is also what it drives people to do to get to them ....
Old 26th September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by C.Lambrechts
just wondering what your reaction would be if in X years your kid gets picked up by the police for robbing something or someone to get to the money for paying for his last dose of cocaine for example .... sure .... some seem harmless .... but it is also what it drives people to do to get to them ....
uh, lsd and cocaine are entirely different drugs. lsd is NOT addictive.... and if you see my posts above, i outright say cocaine is a worthless drug. ive done it too, i know plenty about it. i also know that crack is one of the most evil drugs on the face of the earth [figure out how i know that one as well]

you cant lump ALL drugs together.

my kid will know what is up in X years.
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Alphajerk

As I've said, I'm talking about drugs and drink generally. I think they disconnect people from reality, you don't agree, which I accept, and you don't think I have a valid view, which I don't accept. I part company with you here.
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Alpha . . . . you seem so young sometimes, and you always seems like you are trying SO hard to be hip. You speak of LSD being harmless . . . well I was doing LSD in the 60s, probably long before you. Yea, it did open doors of perception and yea I am glad I did indeed take it at that time.

Some of my friends were not so lucky to get out of it "unharmed". Especially my friend that slammed a hatchet into his sisters head on a bad trip. He did time for murder and now has to deal with the fact he killed his sister for the rest of his life. I also know a few others that had bad trips that are pretty fried for the rest of their lives. It may not be as hip to some. You speak of "dosing your wife" . . . man, in my book that is pretty low . . . not hip. Ever read about Billy Cox getting "dosed" on tour with Hendrix and his subsequent breakdown?

You speak of drugs as if they are kool . . . then you speak of someone not "having experience", well I offer this to YOU since I am next to positive YOU have no experience in this . . . . Along with recording, I am also a volunteer facilitator at a rehab center and a founder of a homeless shelter for drug addicted men. You may want to talk to some of them before you make some global statements about it being harmless to all people.

QUOTE "be careful what you choose as an "exact" example when you arent fully aware of what that example really is"
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