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Avalon 737 Channel Strips
Old 14th September 2002
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Avalon 737

Hi guys,

I am about to buy a mic pre and am thinking of the Avalon 737 which is just in my pricerange. But it has been on the market since 98. Has anyone heard anything about new models coming out?

Thanks, Bob.
Old 14th September 2002
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For a little more money you could get something much better IMO. The Pendulum Quartet or Millennia STT-1 comes to mind.
Old 14th September 2002
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The 737 is one of my favorite boxes! Pre/comp and a really nice eq a real value. Especially if you can find one used or the fletcher version is cheaper than the silver face unit.
Take care
Daniel
Old 15th September 2002
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Great deal. I own four. Some engineer's claim that if you take a mic into one, and only use the mic pre, then into a 2nd unit for compression/eq, it sounds better, but that's audio voodoo IMO. It's kinda like the SM57 of "Mic PRe, Filter, Compressor, EQ's". Note: It's much better at subtractive eq than additive.
Old 15th September 2002
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Note: It's much better at subtractive eq than additive.
Most EQ's that aren't worth their salt are better at subtractive than additive. Adding gain to a circuit always seems to be a bit of a test of the quality don't you think? What good is a race car that stops on a dime, but can't accelerate quickly, efficiently and with minimum stress to it's design?
Old 15th September 2002
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Personally with Avalon gear u either love it or hate it..

I hate 737..

Mic -pre is aneamic sounding.

Compressor is the nearly useless in most applications IMHO. Its VERY SLOW and i realise that part of that is the fact that its an opto coupled device etc but still not much chop.

EQ is nice and sparkly but not real ballsy..

DI is best part of whole unit... very good for BASS gtr..

Im sure im gona get flamed hard for slammin this one , givne that its a defeacto standard 'all in one box' but for what i do it dont cut he mustard much.. and im a real colour guy and these like most avalon things dont exhibit much colour.

Now checkout the API 7600 channel strip or Focusrite BLUE ISA 430 'Producer Pack' or ISA 220 'Session Pack'... both far better sounding and useable IMHO... but if u dig the Avalon and it gives u woody go for it..... just use your ears to amke the dfinal decision not the marketing..


PEACE
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Old 15th September 2002
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Thanks all for responding. I am going to use this pre only for vocals and for acoustic guitar, would it be a good choice for that? I guess no one has heard of a new 737 in the pipeline then?

Cheers, Bob.
Old 15th September 2002
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nope ....

but I'll ask the local Avalon importer. I know he knows them very well .....
Old 15th September 2002
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The thing about the 737 is, it adds a lot of coloration. Some people don't like it, or colaration at all for that matter on most things. I do wish the attack times could be faster (esspecially for drums), but it's still more responsive than an LA 2A. They do run hot, so make sure if you rack it, that you leave a nice space inbetween peices of gear to vent the heat.
I just cut a demo with a female vocalist and a martin with this, a 47 Feet (to my suprise sounded better than a 47 tube for what we were doing) on her vocals, and a 103 on the ac guitar with awesome results. We were looking for a soft tone on everything and got it. (after trying a 1073, Sytek, Neotek, Focusrite, and even Mackie pres)
Old 16th September 2002
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I think the 737 is great. It does have a sound that I guess some don't like, but I love it. The eq is worth a salt, in fact it is one of my favorite. The compressor is slow like most opto's but it sounds great on some things, not so good on others (drums). The mic pre is not a super clean thing, definetly has a charactor.
Old 16th September 2002
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I'm also looking to get a 737, but have also herd it was a bit too transparent for being tube. I just need to go listen to one. I'm also looking into the Vintech Audio X73 and Crainsong Flamingo but have no idea where to listen. Flamingo a bit out of $ at this time although it's dual channel so actually less per channel. Any feedback? (Vocals, VOs and Acoustic Guitar)
It may be put off now that Digi has Mix up for less.
Old 24th September 2002
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i always use the 737 when recording acoustic guitar...it just smooths out the sound...i use it on some vocals . its a great box but just not right for everything....if you don't have a lot of preamps maybe check out a grace..real transparent and very reasonable
Old 24th September 2002
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I've looked into the Grace 201 but haven't listened.
Isn't it the same as the Digi Pre? Or is that the Grace remote unit only?
Old 24th September 2002
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to be honest i haven't hear any relationship between the grace and the digi pre...and haven't heard the digi pre yet....i have used the grace v2 http://www.gracedesign.com/ and many others. if the digi uses grace that would be great because of the integration with the software in hd. i will ask ....
Old 25th September 2002
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It's OK I guess. I wouldn't mind having one around for the sound it offers but I wouldn't want it as my only mic pre/strip. The $400 Joe Meek VC6 is much more useful IMHO. But that's for the work I do, YMMV.
Old 25th September 2002
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And the big "pre-AES" news is that we've reached an agreement with Avalon Design to do a limited release of VT-737sm units!!

The "sm" are the blackfaced 'special mercenary' units that feature injection mold plastic knobs, same guts as the "sp" units, and a lower price tag [the beauty of injection mold plastic knobs vs. billet aluminum... while "billet" is great for building custom motorcycles, it's kind of overkill on audio gear, IMHO].
Old 25th September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Fletcher
And the big "pre-AES" news is that we've reached an agreement with Avalon Design to do a limited release of VT-737sm units!!

The "sm" are the blackfaced 'special mercenary' units that feature injection mold plastic knobs, same guts as the "sp" units, and a lower price tag [the beauty of injection mold plastic knobs vs. billet aluminum... while "billet" is great for building custom motorcycles, it's kind of overkill on audio gear, IMHO].

great Fletcher .... although I have to disagree on the bilet aluminium .... I love it on the avalons
Old 25th September 2002
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You can have Avalon modify the attack settings to make it faster. I think for the money its a great buy. Like anything, it works on somethings and sucks on others. I 've noticed in situations where a Neve is too colored(for eg.vocals, its actually one of my first choices). It also matches well with a lot of modern mics(for eg. Sony 800). I actually use a pair for mixing background vocal tracks. Summing 32-48 tracks through them with comp and EQ works great.

Compressor is the nearly useless in most applications IMHO. Its VERY SLOW and i realise that part of that is the fact that its an opto coupled device etc but still not much chop.



PEACE
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Old 27th September 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jay Kahrs
It's OK I guess. I wouldn't mind having one around for the sound it offers but I wouldn't want it as my only mic pre/strip. The $400 Joe Meek VC6 is much more useful IMHO. But that's for the work I do, YMMV.
How would you rate the VC1 with the 737?

I'm on the hunt for a good (better than good) mic pre.
I have a short list to go to Portland with:
Avalon 737
Focusrite Red
Joe Meek VC1
Manley Vox Box

and Flamingo...if I can find one.
Old 27th September 2002
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both are very good...each with its own sound..for me the 737 is more transparent than the meek.....
Old 27th September 2002
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To me they don't really compare to me and I've owned the VC1 and the 737. Although the Joe Meek compressor is cool sounding on somethings (probably just as many as the 737) the eq and mic pre on the 737 is a real step and then some above (just to my ears anyways). The Joe Meek's mic pre isn't the best sounding for vocal use and the eq is more of a low fi thing which works great for electric guitar but only for vocals if you want that low fi kinda sound (not puting it down it's a great box to have around when you want that sound). THe 737 is very classy sound to me and has much more depth to it.
Old 27th September 2002
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I prefer the tone of the Meek stuff to the Avalon 737 for most of the stuff I do. The Avalon is mellower and more transparent while the Meek has an agressive mid-thing going on.
Old 27th September 2002
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The Avalon is mellower and more transparent while the Meek has an agressive mid-thing going on.
Yeah, I have two 737's and they get a lot of use, not because they are "tubey" but because they are fairly transparent and most things sound good through them. Oddly enough they are probably the least colored of all my outboard pre's (2-610, API 312, Phoenix Audio DRS-2) and I reach for them with the knowledge that most sources will sound realistic and appealing. They work particularly well on acoustic guitars and my Yamaha C7. I've also gotten a huge sound on dobros and fiddles using a U67, but now prefer the DRS-2 for that.

Rick Krizman
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Old 28th September 2002
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hello!
how would u compare the avalon 737sp and the pheonix drs-2 on vox , kik, n snr ? i'm debating between the two right now....
ur input would be much appreciated. thanks
Old 30th September 2002
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Originally posted by xqtion
hello!
how would u compare the avalon 737sp and the pheonix drs-2 on vox , kik, n snr ? i'm debating between the two right now....
ur input would be much appreciated. thanks
I haven't used either on kick or snare, usually reaching for API's or a rented Neve. But for vocals I'm completely in love with the DRS-2. I really can't quantify the difference. It just gives me a great feeling.

Rick Krizman
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Old 20th June 2006
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I recently purchased two VT 737sp's, at the factory they made the attack times faster and calibrated them to run as a matched pair....

I'm currently useing the pre's for kick and snare and been very pleased so far....thumbsup
Old 20th June 2006
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Dam...LOL this post is from my lurking days....heh

the Fast Attack(Babyface Mod) does work better. I compared it to the attack on the 160xt and with the mod, the 737 compressor seems just as fast...IMO
Old 20th June 2006
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The 737 was my first big dollar pre. I thought it was going to "really take my recordings to the next level". Well, it did. Truth is, it took them up a good competitive notch. But, ... after the "thrill"was gone, I noticed a couple of things. The mic pre was anemic sounding compared to others in the building and the compressor was really pretty useless as a mixing tool or in the vocal strip. I, too, thought "this will be my ultimate vocal and acoustic guitar channel solution". The more pres I heard next to it, the more I knew I had to get rid of it and get something that would give me a better representation of what I was looking for.

I sold it and got the 2 channel A Designs Pacifica. The difference? Oh my god. Acoustic guitar, vocals, bass DI, overheads, strings, guitars, percussion.... It's one of the few pres that I would say you can track any instrument with... I also have the Shadow Hills GAMA8 which is a whole other beast in an all together different price range, but for the same money as the 737, you could get 2 channels of Pacifica, and I only wish it was around when I was making my first pre decision.
Old 20th June 2006
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Although many people diss this pre, I think it is a very awsome unit. I own 3 of these babies and have never regreted paying 2 grand a piece brand spankin new!
Old 20th June 2006
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I think Fletcher made a very smart point on another forum about selecting pre's........

record a few tracks(mulitrack) with a preamp and then see how it sounds stacked together in a mix. IMO, too much thickness might equal mush heh

I can't remember anyone comparing the 737 to DAW vs 737 to tape sound.heh
But I know one thing...the 737 love/hate is about equal.
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