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Old 9th September 2002
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Andy, JJP, CLA, TLA

For the rock stuff that I do, these four guys seem to dominate the mix field. It appears that many of you have worked or even are friends with some of these guys. So can you leak any of their little tricks? Does CLA really use the same kick and snare sample every song? Do you know their favorite effects boxes, samples, mixing guitars, etc? How does Andy get those fat drum sounds? I've always wondered what kind of compressor he uses on his drums or drum subs if he uses a drum sub.

Another mixer who is really amazing me is the guy who did the Drowning Pool. Very compressed, but very clear and big. He also did the Papa Roach first CD. Jay Baumgardner or something.

In no way do I think that if I find this info that I will be mixing like them, and their ears and talent are obviously 90% of the equation, but its just cool to know. You know?
Old 9th September 2002
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Re: Andy, JJP, CLA, TLA

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Originally posted by dirktones
Another mixer who is really amazing me is the guy who did the Drowning Pool. Very compressed, but very clear and big. He also did the Papa Roach first CD. Jay Baumgardner or something.
I believe James Murray also had a lot to do with these records. The NEW FOUND GLORY stuff he did didn't impress me at all, which I didn't see James' name on.
Old 9th September 2002
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You should hear new found glory without all the production. For how the band used to sound 2 years ago, I think whoever produced the new one did a good job.

They were playing shows for around 200 kids a night a couple years ago. Now whoever they're working with has made them sound like a decent band.

My old girlfriend used to know some of them and had their first couple records and they were COMPLETE crap. Just like Blink 182.

Try seeing either band live on TV and you'll hear how bad they actually sound.
Old 9th September 2002
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I don't know them personally, but in terms of gear, these might IMHO be general starting points for Wallace and Lord-Alge (JJP is a totally different ballgame, gear-wise):

Comps: SSL desk channel comps and 1176s

EQs: SSL desk EQs, preferably the E242 modules

Delays: Lexicon PCM42s, AMS DMX, SDE3000s, though others can do fine too

Verbs: 480L, PCM70s, maybe EMT 250, AMS RMX

Harmonizer: Eventides...

Monitors: NS10s (a point in common for all four of them, I believe)

CLA and TLA use an SSL 4k.

Wallace has been working for a long time on SSL 4ks but has started using 9ks lately (latest Korn).

JJP uses a highly-modified Focusrite console.
Old 9th September 2002
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JJP 's room/set-up at OceanWay, B, LA is quite litterally the most over the top room in the world...that I've ever seen....Everthing is top notch and moded. From the Focusright board (not really a focusright anymore, what with all the mods. and inprovements) to the EMI channels (some from "Sgt.Pepper's", Some from "DarkSide...Moon," To the Helios, To the Urie Tube Mixer, ect...evewry kind of compresor nad eq you could name, four full patchbay's competely filled, tons og gtr pedals...then you go out into the huge main room setup with a bar and dinning room set-up, vintage "stations" with drums, gtrs&amps, keyboarsd(lot's of coooooool vintage stuff (of course!). He has a HUGE candelabra that has been burning and dripping differrent colored candles for five six years (very cool looking), irt takes a second assistant an hour to light all the candles and insense, he (the second assistant, does all the documentaion...too much to document for one guy alone)...it's sick!
...there was a mix article about two years back with hi room on the cover...and an interview of him. (Only thing he didn't mention in the interview back then was the transient designers...that everyone else is starting to become aware of...)
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Originally posted by recorderman
JJP 's room/set-up at OceanWay, B, LA is quite litterally the most over the top room in the world...that I've ever seen....Everthing is top notch and moded. From the Focusright board (not really a focusright anymore, what with all the mods. and inprovements) to the EMI channels (some from "Sgt.Pepper's", Some from "DarkSide...Moon," To the Helios, To the Urie Tube Mixer, ect...evewry kind of compresor nad eq you could name, four full patchbay's competely filled, tons og gtr pedals...then you go out into the huge main room setup with a bar and dinning room set-up, vintage "stations" with drums, gtrs&amps, keyboarsd(lot's of coooooool vintage stuff (of course!). He has a HUGE candelabra that has been burning and dripping differrent colored candles for five six years (very cool looking), irt takes a second assistant an hour to light all the candles and insense, he (the second assistant, does all the documentaion...too much to document for one guy alone)...it's sick!
...there was a mix article about two years back with hi room on the cover...and an interview of him. (Only thing he didn't mention in the interview back then was the transient designers...that everyone else is starting to become aware of...)
Is the transient designer a secret weapon of these guys that no one knows about? How would one use it, kick and snare mults and stuff? Tell me more...
Old 9th September 2002
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Originally posted by dirktones


Is the transient designer a secret weapon of these guys that no one knows about? How would one use it, kick and snare mults and stuff? Tell me more...
yes. it's only one thing....it's their ears and experiance, and the synergy of good gigs to work on, etc.
Old 10th September 2002
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Originally posted by planet red
You should hear new found glory without all the production. For how the band used to sound 2 years ago, I think whoever produced the new one did a good job.

They were playing shows for around 200 kids a night a couple years ago. Now whoever they're working with has made them sound like a decent band.

My old girlfriend used to know some of them and had their first couple records and they were COMPLETE crap. Just like Blink 182.

Try seeing either band live on TV and you'll hear how bad they actually sound.
I disagree. Here's why. I've been listening to NFG for a long time, being a fan of the Drive Thru record label (check out RX Bandits last record that sounds a LOT better than the last NFG). Their earlier recordings at least had attitude. Play an old Descendents record, then play an old NFG record. Do the same, only with the new one. It barely sounds a little better, and the attitude has been DAW'ed out of it. Regardless, the point I was trying to make was that the NFG record (that I don't think James Murray worked on) sounds like ass compared to Papa Roach, Orgy, or Drowning Pool (which you do see James' name on), and therefore I believe a lot of the credit can't be given to Jay by himself.


Tom Lord Alge works out of Southbeach Studios in Miami, which is actually located in a hotel called the Marlin. He rocks a SSL 4064 G+ Series there, with, you guessed it, a mountain of compressors from his rental co "Spank" something or other. He chain smokes like a chimney, and I have it on good authority (to not incriminate anyone) that he mixes about 4 songs a day by running all the instruments through the same chains on every mix.
Old 10th September 2002
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Part of that assembly line ethos appeals to me...(not all) I respect it in a satanic / commercial way... Music as product etc.....

Old 10th September 2002
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Originally posted by e-cue


Tom Lord Alge works out of Southbeach Studios in Miami, which is actually located in a hotel called the Marlin. He rocks a SSL 4064 G+ Series there, with, you guessed it, a mountain of compressors from his rental co "Spank" something or other. He chain smokes like a chimney, and I have it on good authority (to not incriminate anyone) that he mixes about 4 songs a day by running all the instruments through the same chains on every mix.
I can certainly relate to his method of running all of the instruments through the same chain of every mix. Over the last 10 years, I've developed preferences for using certain outboard processors on certain instruments, and I rarely change them. And when I do get around to making a change (when I have time and get in the mood to experiment), I'm likely to use the new chain for months. And when I'm paid per song (as TLA is), the more songs I do in a day, the more money I make.

Though some may think it heretical, I've heard som TLA mixes that I liked, too. And, of course, there are the others...
Old 10th September 2002
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I find myself using the same chains a lot, but it really bugs me when clients say "Make it sound just like you did on PROJECT X/Y". I try to give each producer his or her own sound, but majority of them have the "if it ain't broke, then don't fix it" mentality. I can't tell you how many times I've had to make my mixes more generic, printed it, then did a mix for myself after the clients left just for the satisfaction of trying out new stuff.

The TLA method (overcompress the donkey-water out of everything so a whisper is as loud as a yell), whether I like it or not, is a good method. I just wouldn't apply it to every mix. I think it sounds good for bands like Weezer, but not Dave Mathews Band. Dynamics excite me.
Old 10th September 2002
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Dave Mathews was CLA not TLA. And he doesn't do the same thing all the time, but what works for the songs. It just happens that way. I think we all do that, if we want to admit it or not. I know it makes recalls easier that's for sure. And you get a song done faster.
Old 10th September 2002
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faster doesnt equal better.

all of the above [maybe with the exception of andy] are my least favorite mixers out there. if they mixed it, i dont buy the album because i know its cookie cutter crapola.
Old 10th September 2002
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AJ, I thought you liked the Wallace stuff. Maybe those ADAMs are leading you astray...though truth be told, I'm not keen on the mix of the last Korn album.

I would like to actually standardize my chains more...definitely the current path forward...just need 3-4 more 1176s and a couple PCM42s and...and...
Old 10th September 2002
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Originally posted by thethrillfactor
Dave Mathews was CLA not TLA. And he doesn't do the same thing all the time, but what works for the songs. It just happens that way. I think we all do that, if we want to admit it or not. I know it makes recalls easier that's for sure. And you get a song done faster.
TLA mixed on the Ants Marching EP, and crash (or at least got a credit for it).
Old 11th September 2002
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i have a lot of Wallace mixes. i generally like them. probably my favorite is Sonic Youths Dirty album. but yeah, the ADAM's are revealing their flaws bigtime... i do like the first Rage album though. thats why i said with the exception of Andy.

although in reality, i dig the bands more than the mixes. i was a fan of him at one time, but i have just heard guys who smoke him like a big fat J.
Old 11th September 2002
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I think the new Korn record sounds amazingly bad, but I don't blame Andy for that.
Old 11th September 2002
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Sorry E-cue,

You are correct about Crash. I thought you meant the album produced by Glen Ballard, which i thought was horrible. More for the music content than the mixing.




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TLA mixed on the Ants Marching EP, and crash (or at least got a credit for it).
Old 11th September 2002
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I think the new Korn record sounds amazingly bad, but I don't blame Andy for that.
I agree. The stuff I heard before Wallace worked on it was laughable. I wish I had a copy of the mixes before he worked on them. Pure Garbage.
Old 11th September 2002
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The TLA method (overcompress the donkey-water out of everything so a whisper is as loud as a yell), whether I like it or not, is a good method. I just wouldn't apply it to every mix. I think it sounds good for bands like Weezer, but not Dave Mathews Band. Dynamics excite me.
I beg to differ my man (don't happen much with you home-slice)

I think that the Dave Matthews Band would have made it to the level they are at making 100 mill a year anyways, They have a killer drummer and arguably one of the better singer/songwriters of the 90s -On

I love those albums, especially "Crash" - yet I dont think the mixes should have so much credit to to a lorde-alge mix. That band is tight as ****, knows their sound as a unit and knows how to lay in down in one take in the Pant in Sausalito - http://www.plantstudios.com/ - they work in the garden studio - and I cant see those mixes needin another mix after they leave, even as roughs

crash basically sold 8-10 mil units - and it would have sold half that if it was not for the man

STEVE LILLYWHITE

that album those songs, the bands playing, Lilllywhite's production and effects - CLA had an easy ****in gig what that one!
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Old 11th September 2002
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and then there was the "everyday" album:

well, not Glen but you get the point
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Old 11th September 2002
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What does everybody think of Brendan O'Brien's mixes?

Dave
Old 11th September 2002
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Didnt Brendan do the new papa roach record? If so, sucks to be him, because it sounded horrible.
Old 11th September 2002
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i was listening to the first STP album a couple nights ago and it sounded really thin and weak. a BoB production/
Old 12th September 2002
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What does everybody think of Brendan O'Brien's mixes?

Dave
The stuff Brendan did on the new Bruce Springstein record is incredibly vibey, and really works for the record.



A definite 5 starer for me...
Old 12th September 2002
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What does everybody think of Brendan O'Brien's mixes?

Dave
I think his mixes tend to be pretty washy, and it works better for mellower bands than for the heavier bands.
Old 12th September 2002
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I wonder what these guys 'strike out' rate is. They cant get ALL mixes accepted or used...

I wonder what we DONT get to hear...

I am sure all near the actual studio are bound up in NDA agreements...

Spill the beanz!

I immagine these guys are in constant touch with lawyer / managers.

I bet they change scheduals in a heartbeat, if you dont play ball with them..
Old 12th September 2002
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What does everybody think of Brendan O'Brien's mixes?
I usually like them and I'll sometimes buy a disc just because he worked on it. But, my local CD store has a great policy where you can return opened CD's for exchange. I liked the album he did with Kings X a lot, Dogman. Last good record they made IMHO. I also like his work with Pearl Jam on Vs. and the Black Crowes on Southern Harmony. All about vibe with decent but never quite amazing sounds. Not to mention the work with STP who are probably one of the last great rock & roll bands. I bet in 15-20 years people will look at them the way we look at Led Zep today. Anyway, his mixes and albums have never had any kind of real stamp to me in the same way that a "xLA" mix does. The Kings X album sounds totally different then STP or the Black Crowes or STP. He's one of the few big mixer/producers I'd like to work with someday.
Old 12th September 2002
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OK... So JJP has so much freakin gear im still having wet dreams over the Mix cover a few yrs back... But his mixes are my favourite of the lot.. he imparts a sense of character in each production that is not 'atypical' of mixer X Y or Z. ........... and he has all that gear!

TLA & CLA are easily identifiable.. both different but kinda homogenous.. but still great sounding. I could mix 4 songs a day as good as them... i could die and go to heaven!... imaigne what they would sound like if they actually sat down and did a song a day? who knows?

Bob clearmountain is BOB........ still very good and adds a degree of personality even if he does 'smooth' things out a lil for my liking... my fave of his is Crowded Houses 'Together Alone'

Andy....... I got up early yesterday and put on Nevermind and cranked it too 11 while i was waking up in the shower... **** it still sounds great all these years later... great mixes and songs.. I dont care if he triggered from his Wendell cos it really does sound Slammin.... i spose Dave Grohl did help a bit!!!!! I was air drumming in the shower all the way!

Grace was par excelleance!...

PEACE
Wiggy
Old 12th September 2002
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thats odd. i had nevermind in my car yesterday cranking it. im really doubtful that the drums are triggered on that album because they dont sound any better for it. the album is kinda dull sounding. certainly not as good sounding of drums that come out these days with triggered samples in it.

hell, i put in one of my mixes right after it and the drums are very similar [and i didnt trigger ****]...
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