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Old 13th September 2002
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I think his mixes tend to be pretty washy, and it works better for mellower bands than for the heavier bands.
I think that Brendan's mixes tend to me more old school rock sounding. Lots of room mic use for drums, usually makes things bigger with layered effects. I think the first STP is OK sounding, I don't l ike the snare and its a little too washy like you said. If I was looking for a mixer for my stuff, I'd prefer Andy.
Old 13th September 2002
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thats odd. i had nevermind in my car yesterday cranking it. im really doubtful that the drums are triggered on that album because they dont sound any better for it. the album is kinda dull sounding. certainly not as good sounding of drums that come out these days with triggered samples in it.

hell, i put in one of my mixes right after it and the drums are very similar [and i didnt trigger shit]...
Wow, I'll have to disagree. I think that Nevermind is very far from dull sounding. There is a lot of upper midrange presence on the whole album and the drums (to me it just sounds like a snare sample added in with tons of midrange eq) sound fat as hell. I think its one of Andy's best. Another great thing is that when mastered, it wasn't "2x4'd" and you can hear the punch of the kick and snare pretty good compared to a lot of todays stuff where it is so squahsed that the drums sound like plastic.

Back to the original topic... Can anyone talk about their techniques? Do they all use that SPL Transient Designer Box to give some extra punch? Do the Alge boys really use the same drum samples each time? What compressors does Andy prefer on his drums?
Old 13th September 2002
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Pretty much the only TLA mix i've liked is the stuff he did on the Wallflower's Bringing Down The Horse album... But then again it was T-Bone Burnett producing so it would take a lot to fuck up the sounds he gets...

I think out of all the above mentioned mixers i like JJP's work the best. He seems to do different things to each mix depending on the style, sound etc... unlike most of the other guys (maybe with the exception of Andy Wallace)...

Old 13th September 2002
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Do the Alge boys really use the same drum samples each time?
In my experience, no samples used. YMMV
Old 13th September 2002
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Yeah, I read an interview with TLA and he said he doesnt like using samples. If there's something not right about the snare, he'll sample the best sounding isolated hit, mess with it, and use that for a sample.

This is what I normally do as well. Samples never seem to work all that well for my stuff.
Old 13th September 2002
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He mixed one of my favorite records of all time, Soundgarden's Superunknown. I generally like his work as a producer and a mixer. Even the Lifehouse record that came out earlier sounded pretty good.


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What does everybody think of Brendan O'Brien's mixes?

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Old 14th September 2002
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TLA mixed Jeremy Toback's "Perfect Flux Thing", which is a lot more subtle than most albums associated with him. Maybe the tracks didn't lend themselves to a factory mix? Nothing else of his listed credits at AMG struck me as something I knew to be particularly good mixing, but I haven't owned the vast majority of those albums.

Wallace's work on "Grace" alone earns him a place in heaven. He mixes a number of genres of music with a great deal of sensitivity to the sensibilities of the artist and the song. I can think of a wide range of mixes that he's done that have been for defining albums of the particular artists. That deserves the name mixer status.

Brendan O'Brien is hard to tag as just a mixer, as he does a lot of production work, too, and has already had a hand in most of what he mixes. Two albums he has just mixed that I am very familiar with are Brad's "Shame" and Satchell's "The Family, and I think they are great mixes, great albums. Great space, great soundfield, dynamics that work perfectly with the music.

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Old 14th September 2002
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i'm a big andy fan but recently a friend passed along a sense field record that just sounded horrible. maybe he polished that brown thing as much as he could...it just lacked...well just about everything...even the vocals were buried.

and while we're voting, i think the nevermind record still sounds great...sure, sonically its a snapshot in time but man...rarely does the pure essence of the band come thru so well.

and not to go OT, but nigel godrich's mixes are quickly becoming my reference points.
Old 14th September 2002
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Wallace's work on "Grace" alone earns him a place in heaven. He mixes a number of genres of music with a great deal of sensitivity to the sensibilities of the artist and the song. I can think of a wide range of mixes that he's done that have been for defining albums of the particular artists. That deserves the name mixer status. Bear
Ditto. Grace could have gone a million different directions, but it's a perfect example of capturing a vibe. He seems to do this flawlessly no matter who he works with (even on Heavier bands like Slayer, or System Of A Down).
Old 14th September 2002
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Ditto.. GODRICH...

I recommend all the travis Albums hes had a hand it.... they might sound like a bunch of pussie sbut htye write great songs and the productions are GREAT IMHO...

He also did a great Divine Comedy Album...

Also the interim period of stuff he did with Radiohead between Bends and OK computer is great as well.... i have documented his progress as one of my fave engineeers with a fervoured passsion..

He's my benchmark to....and its a damn good one tooo!

PEACE
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Old 14th September 2002
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He mixed one of my favorite records of all time, Soundgarden's Superunknown. I generally like his work as a producer and a mixer. Even the Lifehouse record that came out earlier sounded pretty good.
I've mentioned this before, but the drum sounds on Superunknown are HUGE, especially for slower songs. So much punch, thump, and tone, it points to why they made the CD look like it's a vinyl record on the artwork side. Matt Cameron's drumming is responsible for the lion's share of that sound, though. Great in, great out.
Old 14th September 2002
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and while we're voting, i think the nevermind record still sounds great...sure, sonically its a snapshot in time but man...rarely does the pure essence of the band come thru so well.
Hmm... I gotta say Nirvana's essence was purest on Bleach IMO.
Old 15th September 2002
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Hmm... I gotta say Nirvana's essence was purest on Bleach IMO.
I always thought that was the Melvins' essence. rollz

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Old 15th September 2002
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Hmm... I gotta say Nirvana's essence was purest on Bleach IMO.
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I beg to differ..... I rekon 'In Utereo' is what the band really were gunning for..

If you can find the edition of 'Mojo' (uk music mag) that details the whole saga of that album etc... and Micahel Azerad's book 'Come as you are' is an excellent resource for Nirvana info.

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Old 15th September 2002
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And Back to the Techniques....

All this talk on this thread is great but I wonder if we can fall off the tangent and get back to the main idea which is finding out the favorite toys and techniques and tricks of all these great mixers. BTW, POD was mixed by CLA and I thought it sounded pretty darn good.

Alphajerk, I've been listening to Core lately and in my opinion it is not thin at all, its perfect. You're looking for a different sound, with guitars that are much more in the mix with thicker lows. It wouldn't have sounded right on that album. There is a good amount of low mid cut on the drums and the guitars and it allows the vocal to be HUGE and DEEP and it is. I love the extra punchy kick drum although it sure sounds like a sample. There are lots of effects on the album, its not nearly as dry as you find a lot of stuff today and this may add to the perception that it is not as thick and meaty as some other records, but I believe it sounds just like B O' B wanted it to.
Old 15th September 2002
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All I can remember from an AW interview is that he may bring up the overheads on as many as 3 or 4 different pairs on a desk and processes em all differently with eq & compression to 'get' various DIFFERENT things from them,

I suppose like

1 - overall kit
2 - Snare bias
3 - HF sizzle / cymbal sustain
4 - side stick section sound? (just a guess)

Then he blends to taste or specially for different passages of the song.. I keep meaning to try this out more often..

Old 16th September 2002
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Hmm... I gotta say Nirvana's essence was purest on Bleach IMO.
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I beg to differ..... I rekon 'In Utereo' is what the band really were gunning for..

what? absolute horseshit? that albums sucks sweaty donkey balls sonically. bleach certainly kicks its ass. so does a lot of incesticide.


friddman is the best out there right now. his stuff is beyond heavenly.... and dynamic as fuck.
Old 16th September 2002
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AJ....

I used to Love Fridmann's work..But lately since he and mercury REV have been on that whole bullshit 35 mm film medium for mixng.. the mixes MIHO are suffering. THey are thinning out and the bottom end is losing definition.

He did an album after the Mercury Rev album, 'DEserters Songs' which was so obvioulsy mixed to another format other than the film format he and REV love so much. IT was really crisp and defined in the way it sounded compared to my other favourite productions that he has done. The band i am talking about is a Scottish group call 'Mogwai' and the album is called 'Come on and die young'.... Very post rock Chicago type thing done but a bunch of Scots and it Rocks.... in that quiet sort of way...lol

Another crew to watch out for are the Icelandic group called 'Siggur Ros'. THery record onto soundscape (which is mainly used in POST-PRO places) an dmix ona Baby Neve V series... Their record the last one... ageitis broyrm??? sounds great and has good bottom end extension.

PEACE
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Old 16th September 2002
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Another crew to watch out for are the Icelandic group called 'Siggur Ros'. THery record onto soundscape (which is mainly used in POST-PRO places) an dmix ona Baby Neve V series... Their record the last one... ageitis broyrm??? sounds great and has good bottom end extension.
That's a fuckin' great record. I walked into Borders books (big chain store in the USA) one day, heard that playing and had to leave with a copy. Great moody thematic music. If you like the last few Radiohead albums or things like Floyd's Meddle you'll love it.
Old 16th September 2002
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Hey,

I didn't know Sigur Ros would be any famous in the US. Certainly great music. Melodramatic, picturesque, very soundtrack-like. Mogwai are nice too. Anyone knows Goldfrapp? Man, "Felt Mountain" must be one of the coolest "mainstream" records I heard in ages...
Old 16th September 2002
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Sigur Ros.... is Digital done right!!!!

It made a me....a crusty 2" die hard zealot.. realise that there will be life beyond 2" with quality front end and engineers, and its got me excited. This record is so soothing and relaxing and it has great tones.... i have no idea what the fuck they are singing about but who cares when its so damn angelic..!!!.. kinda like Bjork's latest where it seems like it just one long album of her whispering 'something'... im sure it not sweet nothings!

From what i have read they are in the process of recording a new album. Sound On Sound (UK recording mag... the best one by far!) did a large article on them recently and its well worth a read.

RE: Goldfrap.. they got a bit of national airplay here in Australi with their 'felt mountain' album. I liked it quite a bit an dit conjured up moments of cocteau twins for me... which i dig.!! But there seems to be no Robin Guthrie to go overboard with!...lol

PEACE
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Old 17th September 2002
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AJ....

I used to Love Fridmann's work..But lately since he and mercury REV have been on that whole bullshit 35 mm film medium for mixng.. the mixes MIHO are suffering. THey are thinning out and the bottom end is losing definition.
the only ones i know of delineated by the 35MM mix format are mercury revs stuff.
Old 3rd May 2012
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I like when Rob Cavalo and CLA get together, they are an amazing team. I love the sound of their albums. American Idiot is one of the best sounding albums in my book.

I bet that album was mixed on a good old neve console in to an ampex ATR machine. It sounds FAT

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Old 3rd May 2012
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I like when Rob Cavalo and CLA get together, they are an amazing team. I love the sound of their albums. American Idiot is one of the best sounding albums in my book.

I bet that album was mixed on a good old neve console in to an ampex ATR machine. It sounds FAT

P.O.
Um, no. It is a great record, but it was mixed on an ssl, as are all cla mixes.
Old 3rd May 2012
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Reading thru this thread makes me think that I would like to see an E!/Joan Rivers kind of bitchy show about contemporary mixing.
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