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API reference album/recording...? Consoles
Old 8th December 2006
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bunch of hoooosers... At least one of em...
Old 9th December 2006
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How many of you have ever sat your own personal butt in front of an API or discrete Neve and tracked a band? If not, I hope you get to sometime. Those desks have major personallity and vibe built in.

No other console I've ever used (which is all of them, I think) will translate the drum stick impacting the head better than an API. An API has a unique "smack" all it's own. Not my favorite for everything, but for tracking rock drums, it tends to sit them very well in a mix/ Tons of transient headroom from the high current opamps/transistors and mil spec power supplies. You can plug a set of NS-10s directly into the stereo bus output of an API and get them pretty loud and clean. That's old school output mentality, with far greater current capacity and drive capability than modern designs. Have some respect.

Neve, A-Range and API are at the heart of nearly all great, classic rock albums. Each has their own thumbprint. All 3 can be great sounding in the right hands.

The less informed "API sux" type posts in this thread are on par with the "Chevy/Ford kid peeing on the other's logo" stickers that rednecks put on their pickup trucks.


have to agree with mr T here. i have mixed alot on ssl's and trident...not much experience on api's or neves for mixing. i have always been missing something on the ssl for my ears. i love api eq's and pre's for tracking...esp drums and bass...my 512's just get drums sounding RIGHT to me.

i just mixed a project on the api legacy at omnisound in nashville... it sounded AMAZING. (omni's great room and outboard selection was nice too !!!) the low end is SO cool on those desks. really simple layout, clean, punchy and low end for days. I personally REALLY dig the API sound...it certainly worked for the project....very happy with the results.

its interesting to read all the info here about specific albums that were done on api desks, and the associated opinions of everyone posting here. i think until you are pumping your own tracks through ANY desk, and hearing the results....you just don't really know.

for me...api rocks...

peace..

jchristopherhughes
Old 9th December 2006
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my notion of "the API sound"

five words:

MITCHELL

FROOM

AND

TCHAD

BLAKE
Old 10th December 2006
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five words:

MITCHELL

FROOM

AND

TCHAD

BLAKE
Don't know if they really use API.... but these guys really rocks. thumbsup
Old 11th December 2006
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I believe all the early Zappa and the Mothers (late sixties, early seventies) were recorded at Apostolic Studios in NY on API gear. They also had a 12 track Scully!
Old 11th December 2006
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Is that the API-ish console with the Nickel transformers? If so ... brighter.


Dave Matthews Band early albums all API?
Yes, I believe the DMB (early stuff) was done at Greene Street on the API Legacy (serial #001).
Old 11th December 2006
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If all those early Van Halen albums were recorded on API's what more proof do you need??? Those are some of the most kick ass albums of all time!
Old 17th December 2006
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If all those early Van Halen albums were recorded on API's what more proof do you need??? Those are some of the most kick ass albums of all time!
That is great to hear, i just added API to my rack, i would have to say that API is a staple here and is making my studio far far far far better.
Old 26th February 2007
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The latest Switchfoot album.
Old 26th February 2007
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[QUOTE=Mark Ettel;754026]>
I thought of a little more A.P.I. history. The A.P.I. in Sunset Sound's Studio 3, where Prince recorded and mixed all his albums after the second one, which I worked on BTW (anybody remember "I wanna Be Your Lover"?), was bought by QUOTE]

Hell, yeah, I remember "I Wanna Be Your Lover". That was excellent, and too cool that you worked on that. thumbsup

That was the same record with "I Feel For You" and those really rockin' guitars & vocal on "Bambi". Bambi rocked. I love that stuff. More details on the sessions, please, if you have time and the inclination to share - I appreciate it.
Old 13th March 2007
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[QUOTE=digibird;1149193]
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>
I thought of a little more A.P.I. history. The A.P.I. in Sunset Sound's Studio 3, where Prince recorded and mixed all his albums after the second one, which I worked on BTW (anybody remember "I wanna Be Your Lover"?), was bought by QUOTE]

Hell, yeah, I remember "I Wanna Be Your Lover". That was excellent, and too cool that you worked on that. thumbsup

That was the same record with "I Feel For You" and those really rockin' guitars & vocal on "Bambi". Bambi rocked. I love that stuff. More details on the sessions, please, if you have time and the inclination to share - I appreciate it.
This all sounds great, i always wondered where he got that sound of " I wanna be your Lover" The was a killer song with a killer sound.

anyone know what was used to record the rarly Aerosmiths albums ?
Old 28th April 2007
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What's better, a Tele, a Strat, or a Les Paul? A Yamaha drum set or a DW? Chocolate or vanilla?

These are all just tools, a means to an end, and they're all good. If you have the luxury of choosing between them, get to know their characteristics and pick the one that works for the project (which was the original intention of this thread).

I have a lot of different pres, EQ's, and compressors in my studio but often when I freelance, I have to work with whatever is in front of me. That doesn't change the goal, which is "make a great recording." Just take what you have and work with it. Any "high quality" gear will work. Even "mediocre quality" gear can work.

Anyone who is busy working in this field is likely to work on a lot of different equipment. Enjoy the variation and the challenge.

Here’s another vote for the Indian.
Old 29th April 2007
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Not heard yet & so a little off topic but some of the next Radiohead seems to be tracked through an API console.

<img src="http://www.radiohead.com/deadairspace/images/Hmmmmmmmm.jpg">
<img src="http://www.radiohead.com/deadairspace/images/Ns10sAe1s.jpg">
Old 23rd October 2007
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Mary Chapin Carpenter and Dave Matthews Band.

Bias Studios - Acclaim

Two studios, both API consoles.

Studio A

Studio B
Old 18th December 2007
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Tridents

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Ok, so far no one has been able to name anything good that has been done with APIs. Someone throw a fricking bone here, cause it's only reinforcing my belief that Neves are completely superior to APIs.
I actually think more rock has been on Tridents.......To be honest. Rumbo in California has a list of studio B ( Trident 80C) Records that are pretty wide range.
Here is a list from the Former Rumbo 80C...........Pretty big list of big artist........

MADISON, WI--(Marketwire - December 4, 2007) - Madison Media Institute - College of Media Arts (MMI) in Madison, Wisconsin, is proud to announce the recent addition of a Trident 80c 40 input recording console. "We try to expose our students to a wide range of industry-standard equipment," says Doug Olson, chair of the recording department at MMI. "We want the students to have the opportunity to work on a variety of top-of-the-line recording and mixing equipment." The school's rich history of involvement with media sets it apart from other schools. MMI is recognized as a training leader by its peers in education and businesses involved in new media production.

The console was purchased from Rumbo Recorders/Metronome Studio B in Canoga Park, CA (formerly owned and operated by Captain and Tennille). The recording pedigree of the console reads like a who's who of artists and musicians. The list of those who recorded on this console includes but is not limited to: Kiss, the Smashing Pumpkins, Guns N' Roses, Fleetwood Mac, Motley Crue, John Cougar Mellencamp, Tom Petty, Stone Temple Pilots, No Doubt, The Rembrandts, Ice Cube, Keb Mo, P!nk, Spinal Tap, Mega, and Ringo Starr. There were also a number of movie soundtracks that were recorded and mixed on the console including: "Speed," "Robin Hood," "Interview with the Vampire," "Godzilla" and "Thirty Something."
Old 18th December 2007
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unwound recorded by steve fisk.
mmmmmmm
Old 18th December 2007
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Tool used an API desk for drums on "10,000 Days"

Recording Tools "10,000 Days Album-Mixing Tool's 10,000 Days record

Some great drums in my opinion as far as modern rock sounds go.
Old 18th December 2007
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Trident TSM

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I know someone mentioned Bad Animals in Seattle:

I'm pretty sure Soundgarden's Superunknown was tracked there on API.

Also Down on the Upside was tracked by Adam Kasper and fellow gearslut Mattct at Studio Litho studio in Seattle (API)
Most Seattle stuff in Seattle If not ALL at these three or four studios 1. Bear Creek Studios TRIDENT TSM! Lots of Soundgarden! Bad Motor Finger & Singles 2. London Bridge Neve 80 series. 3.Soundhouse (Lots of 90,s Seattle) Trident 80B! 4. Bad Animals has always had some type of SSL and was usually used for alot of Mixing etc.....

Trident Trident Trident...................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think everybody is on such a ****ing API Neve discrete kick they forget to use there ears.......
Old 18th December 2007
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Trident Trident Trident!!!!!!!!

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I know someone mentioned Bad Animals in Seattle:

I'm pretty sure Soundgarden's Superunknown was tracked there on API.

Also Down on the Upside was tracked by Adam Kasper and fellow gearslut Mattct at Studio Litho studio in Seattle (API)
Trident TSM recordings......Bear Creek Studio - Projects

Trident 80B Soundhouse SOUNDHOUSE | Clients

Avast now Trident A range.....WE Pledge To Have A Website By 2010
Old 18th December 2007
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I may be wrong, but seems that Steve Vai's "Fire Garden" and "Alien Love Secrets" were recorded and mixed all in the API console he used to have in his studio.
Also seems that these days he rack mounted that console and only use it's pre/eq/comp to track straight to Pro Tools. Mixing ITB.
Please Correct me if I'm wrong.

Vai.com - The Official Steve Vai Website > Sights and Sounds > Virtual Vai
The Mother Ship is full comercial now. They revamped the studio...Personally I do not think
the Steve Vai API records sound all that great.........IMHO
Old 18th December 2007
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Originally Posted by Kestral View Post
Ok, so far no one has been able to name anything good that has been done with APIs. Someone throw a fricking bone here, cause it's only reinforcing my belief that Neves are completely superior to APIs.
Well the API's at Sunset Sound were and are custom, the original two were Bushnell/ DeMedio made with APi components.

As for records.... how bout the first couple of Van Halen records (studio 2)
Old 18th December 2007
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He has (or had?) a circa 1998-ish API Legacy. I believe it was made just prior to the Legacy we installed at a studio I helped build about that time. I remember Jeff Bork (or someone up there) asking me if we would like to have the same black VU meters that were custom ordered for Lenny's desk.

In any event... he makes use of such a variety of old stuff that you can't really say that one of his records "sounds like" API, Neve, or anything in particular.
I have worked on this console. I redesigned some of the 2510 opamps in it, Lenny was not pleased with the playback of his previous recordings heard through it. The entire resistor arrays and impedances were changed out to lower noise.

I fell out of love for API when Hotter Than July was recorded at Wonderland in 1980. That album has that small, dry API sound that does not flatter a talent like Wonder. It was installed into a Record Plant remote truck parked out on the parling lot of the studio on Western Ave.

That console was used for another couple of years, then a Neve 8128 was bought and installed into the smaller control room. The API was lifted out of the truck when Stevie bought it from Record Plant. A SSL was installed into the truck. At home in Los Feliz a Neotek was installed for home recording.

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Old 18th December 2007
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i know for sure that the legendaric channel one studio in jamaica used an API 2488, so everything on channel 1 records (wich means a huge part of the classic reggae tracks from the mid seventies till mid eighties) were cut on that console, also Bunny Lee, King Tubby (wich was the in house engineer) and Prince Jammy used this studio a lot during that time for their productions so you can check their records also.

Off course, it's reggae, maybe not your style, but it may give you an id.
Old 18th December 2007
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Princes DeMedio

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Well the API's at Sunset Sound were and are custom, the original two were Bushnell/ DeMedio made with APi components.

As for records.... how bout the first couple of Van Halen records (studio 2)
Princes Paisley Park API is all custom DeMedio and all of the Mic pres in that desk are DeMedio.
Only thing API I believe is the 550A eq and some graphic eq,s. The rest is ALL custom DeMedio.
Very cool looking desk! You can see it at the Paisley Park Virtual Tour.
Old 19th December 2007
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How many individual tracks on how many records do you think were tracked and/or mixed using API mic pres or D.I.s and/or API EQs? I think that the answer is something close to countless. How many "great records" tracked and/or mixed using API somewhere in the signal path? Depends on what your definition of great is.

That may not count in your circumscribed world, but common sense says that such usage is a big part of the "API sound." All I know is that when I do a project, I use an API pre when I want that sound, and a Neve pre when I want that sound (and a 560b or 550b when I want that sound). And then I listen and decide if it works the way I want it to or not with that particular microphone/instrument/person. The Purple Audio BIZ has been getting a lot of use lately as has the UA 2108.


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lol, I love how every time someone thinks they've come up with an API spotting it turns out to be a Neve. Seriously, is it really that hard to come up with just one measly great album? Just one! Come on, throw me a fricking bone here. This is not helping the n00bs here that are reading. btw, Diana Krall albums are not great.
Old 20th December 2007
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Most or all of the Steve Miller records
http://mixonline.com/recording/inter...ers_swingtown/
Old 20th December 2007
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Most or all of the Steve Miller records
http://mixonline.com/recording/inter...ers_swingtown/
Thanks for that!

I Like the part about the Chief Eng. saying you can't cut vocals like that......LOL
Old 20th December 2007
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Most Seattle stuff in Seattle If not ALL at these three or four studios 1. Bear Creek Studios TRIDENT TSM! Lots of Soundgarden! Bad Motor Finger & Singles 2. London Bridge Neve 80 series. 3.Soundhouse (Lots of 90,s Seattle) Trident 80B! 4. Bad Animals has always had some type of SSL and was usually used for alot of Mixing etc.....

Trident Trident Trident...................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think everybody is on such a ****ing API Neve discrete kick they forget to use there ears.......


Only Studio X in Bad Animals had the SSL. They used to have an A & B room which both had API boards. I believe Bad Animals was originally Kaye Smith studios, which some people bought and added on to. I remember they had a platinum record on the wall at Bad Animals for Steve Miller's Fly Like An Eagle credited to Kaye Smith studios. I've always thought of that as having the API sound.

Also some of Zappa's 70's stuff.
Old 20th December 2007
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Soundgarden's Down on the Upside-API.
Old 20th December 2007
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A buddy of mine did some work on the last 3 Stevie Ray Vaughn records.

He said that almost all of the tracking was done thru a vintage api side car.

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