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Old 6th June 2006
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btw, Diana Krall albums are not great.
this is not a true statement.
sonicly, this is wrong.

rumors, also stunning,

how about the main drums/ guitars on Nirvana's Nevermind, i though they were 512b's am i wrong? those are great sounds as well.
Old 6th June 2006
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how about the main drums/ guitars on Nirvana's Nevermind, i though they were 512b's am i wrong? those are great sounds as well.
That record was done at Sound City St. A -- 28 input Neve 8028 with 1084 [or are they 'officially' 1085's because of the detents on the gain pots -- Rail?] modules.

JP
Old 10th June 2006
  #123
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>Only the some of the overdubs and all the mixing was done at Criteria in Studio C on the custom MCI. The basic tracks were cut in L.A. at the Record Plant on an API.<

I think you're right. I sure they did some mixes at the Record Plant, but they probably didn't make it to the record. I'm sure they did more vocals at Criteria, thus making remixes necessary anyway. This kind of has my curiosity up though because Bill Symzcyk built his own studio in Florida, Bayshore Recording, in 1976, which was the year H.C. was released. I don't think it was ready enough for the mixes on "Hotel California", but he did mix an Eagles live album there later. One of the reasons Bill Symzcyk like the MCIs is because the mute switches were very fast. He was one of the first producers to comp vocals from 6 or 7 takes instead of punching everything in all the time and the MCI made this a lot easier. The album was definitely recorded in L.A on the A.P.I. though.
I thought of a little more A.P.I. history. The A.P.I. in Sunset Sound's Studio 3, where Prince recorded and mixed all his albums after the second one, which I worked on BTW (anybody remember "I wanna Be Your Lover"?), was bought by him when Sunset Sound built a new custom console for the room. In 1987, he installed it in Paisley Park's Studio B, where it is still in use. You can see a picture of it if you go to the Paisley Park website. The A.P.I. that was in Ocean Way Studio A, which was replaced by the Focusrite Forte console, was sold to Neil Diamond. It is still in use in his studio facility in L.A.
Old 10th June 2006
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You are joking, right? This is about getting a rise and entertainment!

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Ok, so far no one has been able to name anything good that has been done with APIs. Someone throw a fricking bone here, cause it's only reinforcing my belief that Neves are completely superior to APIs.
Have you actually read some of these albums? Regardless of your taste, many many many of these albums are all-time great albums with songs and productions that most likely run cirlces around anything you've ever done... or if you are Prince or Van Halen or any other of these musicians, by all means, speak up!

Man, just take Prince for example...who cares if he is your cup of tea or not, that man, his performances, writing AND production are genius...but more imporntanly, if he can make a musical statement on an API, he could do it on a Neve, an SSL or a frickin' Mackie.

I'm afraid you are just a bored Internet geek trying to create entertainment, so please leave this board because I come here for real information and founded debate (even if it is not popular), at least is grounded with some thinking.

Please tell us something specific about YOUR findings, rationale, opinion based on outcome...don't jsut ask the question and then run!

There are professionals using this board and people who may not be pros, but with real heart and passion for music, please don't ruin that, please.

-andrews

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Old 10th June 2006
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Originally Posted by Mark Ettel
I thought of a little more A.P.I. history. The A.P.I. in Sunset Sound's Studio 3, where Prince recorded and mixed all his albums after the second one, which I worked on BTW (anybody remember "I wanna Be Your Lover"?), was bought by him when Sunset Sound built a new custom console for the room.
I'm impressed.... That was a classic track! thumbsup

Do you remember any details about the session...

All the instruments sounded great on that track... guitars, bass, drums!

Any tidbits would be cool... like gear used other than the API, etc. What did they use on the vocals, guitars, and the bass???
Old 10th June 2006
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Doors recorded at Sunset Sound too, but that was (before API). Engineers, get out your Doors and compare.
Old 10th June 2006
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Doors recorded at Sunset Sound too, but that was (before API). Engineers, get out your Doors and compare.

What console was used at Sunset for the doors?
Old 10th June 2006
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Bob Dylan - "the man in the long black coat"

recorded with Daniel Lanois.

one of the most gorgeous recordings in the history of music.

nevermind the sibilence... it's dylan.. something had to be ugly.
Old 10th June 2006
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I'm impressed.... That was a classic track! thumbsup

Do you remember any details about the session...

All the instruments sounded great on that track... guitars, bass, drums!

Any tidbits would be cool... like gear used other than the API, etc. What did they use on the vocals, guitars, and the bass???
Ditto!

It's a shame the radio edit fades out before the outro. I really like that bit.

All of Prince's early dancefloor tracks sound fantastic.
Old 11th June 2006
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How many of you have ever sat your own personal butt in front of an API or discrete Neve and tracked a band? If not, I hope you get to sometime. Those desks have major personallity and vibe built in.

No other console I've ever used (which is all of them, I think) will translate the drum stick impacting the head better than an API. An API has a unique "smack" all it's own. Not my favorite for everything, but for tracking rock drums, it tends to sit them very well in a mix/ Tons of transient headroom from the high current opamps/transistors and mil spec power supplies. You can plug a set of NS-10s directly into the stereo bus output of an API and get them pretty loud and clean. That's old school output mentality, with far greater current capacity and drive capability than modern designs. Have some respect.

Neve, A-Range and API are at the heart of nearly all great, classic rock albums. Each has their own thumbprint. All 3 can be great sounding in the right hands.

The less informed "API sux" type posts in this thread are on par with the "Chevy/Ford kid peeing on the other's logo" stickers that rednecks put on their pickup trucks.
Old 11th June 2006
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Neve, A-Range and API are at the heart of nearly all great, classic rock albums.
That is so incorrect.
Old 11th June 2006
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That is so incorrect.

Cool. Can you straighten me out with your knowledge? I would appreciate it.

BTW, by "classic" I mean vintage like Zep, Cream, early AC/DC, Hendrix, etc. If you're going to say "SSL" what I'm talking about precedes their existence (unless you count the "B" model, maybe).
Old 11th June 2006
  #133
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Prince's Paisley Park Studio B is outfitted with an API console.

http://www.paisleypark.com/sound_studioB.asp

There are several references on the net suggesting that more than just a few of Prince's hits were tracked and/or mixed on an API.

http://mixonline.com/mag/audio_princes_kiss/index.html

http://www.housequake.com/showthread.php?threadid=56697

I'm sure you can find more.
Old 11th June 2006
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Cool. Can you straighten me out with your knowledge? I would appreciate it.
Helios, Trident, Dimedio (his non-API desks), Bill Putnam, his tube and non-tube desks, and all the custom consoles in top studios such as Columbia.

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BTW, by "classic" I mean vintage like Zep, Cream, early AC/DC, Hendrix, etc.
This is funky net research, but what I found so far.

Hendrix = Helios
Cream = custom built, Atlantic
Zep = Helios, Putnam
AC/DC = MCI
Stones = Helios
Queen = Trident
Old 11th June 2006
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He engineered the first two Crowded House albums with Mitchell Froom at Sunset on that desk as well.
And also tracked a heck of a lot on the EMI Neve at "York St Studios" in New Zealand.
Old 12th June 2006
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Neve, A-Range and API are at the heart of nearly all great, classic rock albums.
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Originally Posted by vernier
That is so incorrect.
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Originally Posted by BrianT
Cool. Can you straighten me out with your knowledge? I would appreciate it.
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Originally Posted by vernier
Helios, Trident, Dimedio (his non-API desks), Bill Putnam, his tube and non-tube desks, and all the custom consoles in top studios such as Columbia.
Last I checked, the A-Range was made by Trident

You may also want to include the REDD series consoles
Old 12th June 2006
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Last I checked, the A-Range was made by Trident
Yep, Trident A-range ...the king of kick butt.

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You may also want to include the REDD series consoles
Absolutely.
Old 9th August 2006
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I'm pretty sure most Kravitz stuff (at least the 2 first albums) were done on a Trident A range.

nope. the trident a range didn't come come til after the first record. first record was a trident 80.

d. gauss
Old 10th August 2006
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there are a handful of Unwound albums recorded by Steve Fisk that were done on an API console.
"punch" some to mind.
"clear" is also a good descriptor.
Old 10th November 2006
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I may be wrong, but seems that Steve Vai's "Fire Garden" and "Alien Love Secrets" were recorded and mixed all in the API console he used to have in his studio.
Also seems that these days he rack mounted that console and only use it's pre/eq/comp to track straight to Pro Tools. Mixing ITB.
Please Correct me if I'm wrong.

http://www.vai.com/SightsSounds/virtual_vai/index.html

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Gear used in The Mothership from time to time has included a 40-input/40-channel API console with GML automation, a Studer A800 24-track tape machine, a Studer A827 24-track machine, ATR 102 with 1/2" & 1/4" headstacks, Apple computers, and a bunch of other stuff.

Some of "Passion and Warfare", all of "Alien Love Secrets", all the guitars to the Whitesnake "Slip of the Tongue" record, much of "Sex & Religion", all of "Fire Garden", the "PCU" score and most of the various one-offs were recorded in this studio.
Old 17th November 2006
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I know someone mentioned Bad Animals in Seattle:

I'm pretty sure Soundgarden's Superunknown was tracked there on API.

Also Down on the Upside was tracked by Adam Kasper and fellow gearslut Mattct at Studio Litho studio in Seattle (API)
Old 17th November 2006
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i believe its how the engineer made the console sound.Ive heard a1 mixes done on a mackie24/8.The engineer made the sound that came from said console.Hum
Old 17th November 2006
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Some of the early Fania (70's Latin/Salsa era) was done on API.
Old 17th November 2006
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Lenny Kravitz uses an API console right?
He has (or had?) a circa 1998-ish API Legacy. I believe it was made just prior to the Legacy we installed at a studio I helped build about that time. I remember Jeff Bork (or someone up there) asking me if we would like to have the same black VU meters that were custom ordered for Lenny's desk.

In any event... he makes use of such a variety of old stuff that you can't really say that one of his records "sounds like" API, Neve, or anything in particular.
Old 7th December 2006
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do you actually think it really matters whether zep or the stones or hendrix etc ad nauseum used neve or api or a helios?
they all did something timeless in spite of the technology that surrounded them.
who friggin cares.
Old 7th December 2006
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Not sure if it's been mentioned... Allman Brothers Live at the Beacon Theatre was recorded with a vintage API. I'm pretty sure some of their 'vintage' stuff was API consoles as well.
Old 7th December 2006
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He has (or had?) a circa 1998-ish API Legacy. I believe it was made just prior to the Legacy we installed at a studio I helped build about that time. I remember Jeff Bork (or someone up there) asking me if we would like to have the same black VU meters that were custom ordered for Lenny's desk.

In any event... he makes use of such a variety of old stuff that you can't really say that one of his records "sounds like" API, Neve, or anything in particular.
Our Legacy + has black meters that were left over from ones made for Lenny's console. What studio did you work on? Ours?

Tom Petty wanted to buy the console that was commisioned for our studio. The studio build schedule was already behind so not sure if he ended up getting one or not.

Peace, Todd
Old 7th December 2006
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I just went back and brushed up on the gist of this thread...

Just to beat the canadian to the punch... The Allman Brothers suck too. There, I said it.dfegad <-- that's me peeing in your mouth kestral...fuuck
Old 7th December 2006
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Kravitz

Listening to "Rosemary" on Kravitz's Let Love Rule album, I would swear it was recorded on an API...

If anyone has any knowledge of where this album was recorded, please feel me in...its just got a vibe to it!
Old 8th December 2006
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do you actually think it really matters whether zep or the stones or hendrix etc ad nauseum used neve or api or a helios?
they all did something timeless in spite of the technology that surrounded them.
who friggin cares.
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