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Gefell M930 or UMT70? Condenser Microphones
Old 23rd January 2018
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I almost entirely agree...

Except I'll use UM70 or M71 where most people would use a U87, and I'll use a M930 or M940 where most people would use a U89.

The Neumanns are great mics, I prefer the Gefells.
i like the u89 more than the u87 (too much high end) but i don't like the neumann sound in general

so the m930 sounds flatter then the um70? from what i read i thought it's the other way around ... i want to try them both ...

which of them gefells would work on more voices and which one handles sibilance and mouth noise issues better?
Old 23rd January 2018
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To reiterate and paraphrase Doc Mixwell,


M930 is a more modern sound.

UMT70 a more vintage sound.

I have experience with both, moreso with the M930, but I also for a short time owned a UM70S (the one with the transformer)

I seem to remember the M930 having a little more proximity effect....but it's been a long time. I'm pretty much a U87 man these days.
Old 23rd January 2018
  #33
Owned the MT71S for awhile and only sold it to pay for a new interface. Also owned the M930T, also a really nice mic but would probably prefer the one with the M7 capsule as a more universal vocal mic without the issues you mentioned. Gefell's M7 mics both old and new have that "in the pocket" sound that fits really well in most mixes.
A lot of folks here prefer the older transformer models which I haven't tried but have tried the transformer/no trans in the M930 and there's a little more color from the transformer. If you're using a nice preamp with a transformer/tube, the differences probably get smaller.
Old 23rd January 2018
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so the m930 sounds flatter then the um70? from what i read i thought it's the other way around ... i want to try them both ...
What country are you in?

In the UK you can certainly try them both side by side - there are demo models available either to you or the store.

Not sure about other countries - ask the local Gefell dealer.


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which of them gefells would work on more voices and which one handles sibilance and mouth noise issues better?
The M 930 has a modern mylar capsule, the UM 70 / UMT 70 / UMT 70S have the Georg Neumann M7 PVC capsule.

It's really down to personal choice and what works better for you.
Old 23rd January 2018
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What country are you in?

In the UK you can certainly try them both side by side - there are demo models available either to you or the store.

Not sure about other countries - ask the local Gefell dealer.




The M 930 has a modern mylar capsule, the UM 70 / UMT 70 / UMT 70S have the Georg Neumann M7 PVC capsule.

It's really down to personal choice and what works better for you.
i'm from austria ... and already e-mailing with gefell support .... they recommend me a umt800 to try out and are willing to send me one for testing ... i asked them if i can get a m930ts, umt70s and a umt800 to try them side by side .... but now i also want to compare the sdc's m200 and m300 .... sluttieness all over me
Old 24th January 2018
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i'm from austria ... and already e-mailing with gefell support .... they recommend me a umt800 to try out and are willing to send me one for testing ... i asked them if i can get a m930ts, umt70s and a umt800 to try them side by side .... but now i also want to compare the sdc's m200 and m300 .... sluttieness all over me
The UMT 800 is a very nice mic. M7 capsule in a larger body than the UMT 70S and 5-pattern switchable, rather than 3. Should sound similar to the UMT 70S, but has more patterns and the large body would have an effect.

The M 200 series have nickel capsules and the M 300 series have mylar. The M 300 and M 310 have ceramic capsules that are very stable as the only metal is the sputterings on the diaphragm and backplate.
Old 24th January 2018
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The UMT 800 is a very nice mic. M7 capsule in a larger body than the UMT 70S and 5-pattern switchable, rather than 3. Should sound similar to the UMT 70S, but has more patterns and the large body would have an effect.

The M 200 series have nickel capsules and the M 300 series have mylar. The M 300 and M 310 have ceramic capsules that are very stable as the only metal is the sputterings on the diaphragm and backplate.
Clarification: The M20, M21 and M27 capsules which are part of the SMS 2000 System are mylar/gold capsules. The M29x Series (294, 295, 296 and 297) have nickel capsules.

Last edited by sdelsolray; 25th January 2018 at 05:22 PM..
Old 25th January 2018
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Clarification: The M20, M21 and M27 capsules which are part of the SMS 2000 System are mylar/gold capsules. The M29x Series (294, 295, 296 and 296) have nickel capsules.
Correct, sorry I was quite tired when I posted.
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