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FATSO or vintage LA2A for guitars
Old 29th May 2006
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FATSO or vintage LA2A for guitars

I record guitar overdubs for clients. Which of these two boxes would you choose?
Old 29th May 2006
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Neither unit is terribly flexible or ideal for the wide range of guitarists/sounds you probably encounter.

I'd go with a Distressor over a Fatso and probably an LA3 over an LA2A.
Old 29th May 2006
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DISTRESSOR !!
Old 29th May 2006
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Thanks for the replies.

I should've mentioned that I'm bored with the distressor; there's also something about the midrange that sounds congested to me.

Anything else for acoustic & electric guitars?
Old 29th May 2006
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i'm in to the 1176 and the 33609 on gtrs, they give them a nice transient when they start playing. 1176 is more extreme, the 33609 more mellow, chunky.
-brian
Old 29th May 2006
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If you're recording amplifiers (and especially distorted guitars), I'll vote for NO compressor when recording guitars.
Old 29th May 2006
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Originally Posted by Dave Martin
If you're recording amplifiers (and especially distorted guitars), I'll vote for NO compressor when recording guitars.
Well, you bring up a good point there. Why spend $2k - $4k on a piece of gear that I might not need? I haven't had any complaints of tracks being "under-compressed".

Keep the opinions coming - I'm open to hearing them all.
Old 29th May 2006
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I agree with that. I never put a comp before recording on an amplified guitar. You can always add it after the fact. I think this is maybe a holdover of recording to tape, letting the medium do some of the work before you get all drastic. Obviously, that isn't gonna fly in DAW-land.

But...

If you don't need to compress it on the way in, why would you want to? You can always add compression later, but you can _never_ take it away.
Old 29th May 2006
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In the case of distorted guitars, compression is useful in preventing overs during palm mutes. I use an LA2A for this very application, and like it fine.
Old 29th May 2006
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I'd rather have the compression right pre-DAW, (whether that means compressed or not).

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Old 29th May 2006
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Get another amp!
Old 29th May 2006
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One other thought, if you use a couple of mics on the cab, and you don't want to compress while tracking, keep the tracks separate rather than mixing the two mics down to a single track. For example, you might want to compress a 121 just a bit while leaving a 57 alone to do it's icepick thing.
Old 29th May 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Casey
In the case of distorted guitars, compression is useful in preventing overs during palm mutes. I use an LA2A for this very application, and like it fine.
If I'm trying to control overs, I don't find the LA2A to be that useful since it's attack is so slow; instead, I just turn the preamp down
Old 29th May 2006
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Yes, an LA2A may be slow, but it beats a palm mute to the punch everytime. The envelope of a palm mute is very slow to develop, but it can contain a suprisingly large amount of energy. In most cases, there is no way it doesn't need gain reduction at some point, so I typically catch it as early as possible.

Of course you are right, in general, the LA2A is a tad slow for most typical limiting.
Old 29th May 2006
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The LA2A is great, just not on electric guitars.

Conversely it's wonderful on an acoustic guitar.

I prefer a touch of the Distressor if anything. Albeit, I'm not using the thing for compression, but for girth and that in-your-face-icepick-in-the-forehead sound.

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Old 29th May 2006
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For guitars, the FATSO schools every other thing out there. It doesn't have the midrange thing that the distressor does, and all of its features work so well on a lot of different guitar sounds.
Old 30th May 2006
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Hey Chris!

Knowing you... and your style... I would say for that pushed chordal and picked stuff that you are so good at... the LA-2A would absolutely knock your socks off. (The orignal... not the re-issue). I did a session up at Quad recently and we used their's for a guitar track we did (through Kenny Greenbergs AC-30....only mic was an R121). I didn't compress a whole lot... just some. It sat PERFECTLY where I wanted it to be, and the LA-2A added so much girth... it just killed me! I played the track for Kenny later (it was for different band, so it wasn't him playing guitar) and he immediately as the song kicked off said... "now THAT's a great guitar sound!!".

The LA-2A is a bit slow, and I normally wouldn't have thought of it for electric guitars... but after that experience I have turned to the them more... and loved it! I think it might be JUST the thing for you.

An 1176 and Neve 2254 or my other favorites for bigger rock guitars (power chording, etc). However... WHEN I compress these days... I am still loving my distressor on most things. However.... for big power chords and stuff like that... I have been going without compression a lot lately.

p.s. Don't you have a special delivery coming soon?? Would love to hear that's going.
Old 30th May 2006
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Hey Chris!
p.s. Don't you have a special delivery coming soon?? Would love to hear that's going.
Any MINUTE now. Too bad Vintage King doesn't have a baby registry.
Old 30th May 2006
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Any MINUTE now. Too bad Vintage King doesn't have a baby registry.
LMAO
Old 30th May 2006
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Quote:
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Any MINUTE now. Too bad Vintage King doesn't have a baby registry.

No doubt!! Every newborn baby needs a vintage LA-2A! lol!!
Old 30th May 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisgraff
I record guitar overdubs for clients. Which of these two boxes would you choose?
It completely depends on the style of music your recording..
I usaully go to an 1176/LA2A/Tube tech..depending on track density,BPM,style.
Old 30th May 2006
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A vote for the LA-2A

On distorted gt., I like to bring the gain up on the LA-2A and add just a db or two of GR. It seems to help it sit in the mix better. I also agree about it helping smooth out crazy palm mutes...
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