Why would anybody want that dfegad sound? Mariah Carey is a wonderful singer, obviously, but on record her vocals always sounds like crap. I swear some dude is patching in a whole chain of exciters with all knobs at 11.

Her voice deserves natural tone, cause she has a good voice.

Reminds me of the horrible vocals on Def Leppard's Hysteria. Distorted highs. Sounds like when I'm shaving in the morning.

Kill the producer.

I rather know what Kelly Clarkson's chain is. heh

Well, one mans trash is another mans treasure right? The 4033, 47, 50 and 60 all have good quality parts and construction and 4047 is fairly smooth for a fet in regards to noise while still having a little bite.

Ray Charles vocals on his final album were recorded with an AT4060 after they decided that the Neumanns and Brauners just didn't fit right with his voice. One mic works better on that singer - on that day - for that song - in that room.

That is the most important aspect of the whole thread.

Substitute just one of these items, and tell me which makes the most difference:

1. Microphone
2. Preamp
3. Compressor
4. Singer

If you picked "4", you are correct.

This is what is wrong with the hyper-technical orientation of many of the questions I see these days. The human factor is marginalized, I think mostly because producers and engineers want to be the stars themselves. So the tech aspect is magnified out of proportion.

Mariah Carey has tone and chops for days, whether you personally are into her style or not. As such, there are at least 8-10 great mics that would deliver her undamaged. Same with preamps and compressors. But you're not going to get her tone without her standing there, whatever you do with the electrons, and what works on her may not happen for somebody else.

Failure to understand the above will lead to a bunch of frustration, ultimately.

Good call Brian... and very well said

Peace and get the best of your vocalist thats it thats all!!

very well said

So - as I said : This person HAS the MAriah Carey air-type voice and the musical baggage to pull it off

So - I went for 1,2, and 3 !

A Tube Tch CL1b as a compressor seems right

and I think I'll get the Peluso 22 521 ... ehr 251 I meant

I 2nd this... is the 521 the new tube one John put out? Or do you mean 251?

Can I ask how the Neve compressors are used? Is this just for limiting, or is there some real reduction being used here.
Personally I love the Neve's, but there aren't that many people I've seen using them in the tracking chain. Great results though IMO!!

I think he means 251... The new mic is the P12, which is similar to a C12.

Many times on the early records it was a C800G -> Focusrite Red->ADL1000.....Add lots of 14k at the mix.
Lots of vocal takes & comping....... i've seen 2-3348's full of LV takes to comp from, and all the takes were great, just lots of choices. She's just an incredible singer.

EQ. Sometimes simple is better.

TH

The neve compressors are used for compression? Just a guess

what do you mean exactly? sending vocals like an effect to a aux track with autotune inserted?

B2 Pro thru Mic Pre4400
heh

Try DSM preset "Mariah"







... not dfegad