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2buss rides before/after mix compression
Old 16th May 2006
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2buss rides before/after mix compression

Hey,

Title pretty much says it all. I was a fan of doing chorus rides before hitting compression
but i recently read an interview with a mixer that likes to do it after mix compression,
whats your preference?
Old 16th May 2006
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After compression.
Old 16th May 2006
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Before, but I have auto release on so it doesn't squish too much.
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Old 16th May 2006
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after...always.
Old 16th May 2006
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riding the mix buss

when do you ride the master fader in the mixing process? early on or towards the end closer to printing? Does this depend on whether the rides happen post buss compression or pre?
Old 17th May 2006
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after the dust has settled...I do master rides, if needed...
Old 17th May 2006
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I never thought of riding the master fader, it doesnt really make sense to do it if the mix is done right.

What reason do you ride the master fader?

Just a thought.

Eric M.
Old 17th May 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by parissound
I never thought of riding the master fader, it doesnt really make sense to do it if the mix is done right.

It's fun...

Ever go Sky Diving? It's like that....
Old 17th May 2006
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Thats funny, but really?
Old 17th May 2006
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sierously.....
Old 17th May 2006
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before compression if i want everything to get thicker and louder.

after compression if i want everything to just get louder.

i also hit tape, so riding after the master makes perfect sense.

also, i never ride the master fader. it's not a rule, i just never feel the need to do it.


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Old 17th May 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by parissound
I never thought of riding the master fader, it doesnt really make sense to do it if the mix is done right.

What reason do you ride the master fader?

Just a thought.

Eric M.
Really? you never heard of this?. Dynamically its excellent for giving a chorus extra
umph and makes a song breath a lot more by giving good range between the chorus and the verse. I remember reading that Andy Wallace
usually rides the chorus anywhere up to 4db extra to make it really kick in.
Old 17th May 2006
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I ride it after the compressor with the exception of using the SSL comp in auto release.
Old 17th May 2006
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how does this relate with the ME and his comp/limiting?



Jason
Old 17th May 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Poulin
how does this relate with the ME and his comp/limiting?



Jason
It's possible that the mastering engineer will perform his own rides into the limiter.
Old 17th May 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by picksail
It's possible that the mastering engineer will perform his own rides into the limiter.

Or smash your mix to hell and then all your hard work is for not........



Gotta find a good mastering engineer, and explain to them what you did, and that you want to retain the dynamics. If they can't do that....then on to the next one.
Old 18th May 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by djui5
Gotta find a good mastering engineer, and explain to them what you did, and that you want to retain the dynamics. If they can't do that....then on to the next one.
Not sure what you mean by...what is it....dynamics?

I'm not privy to that term. Sorry, never heard of it.

Old 18th May 2006
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haha!!

Old 18th May 2006
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After.

There's no reason to fight the compressor.

I also do further bumps sometimes in mastering... sometimes quite a lot.

also, I've NEVER had a mastering engineer squash a project... i think they get blamed for crappy L2'd mixes.
Old 18th May 2006
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I do it before... my reasoning (apart from my ears, and personal preferences in this) is that in this modern age of crazy limiting.. Whenever you have a passage that you want to be quieter.. instead of turning the whole colume of it down.. your better off to just give it some of it's dynamic back (which is what you essentialy end up doing)

The other way to go is just to limit slightly harder on the chorus sections.. and then normalize them all seperately (chorus ends up louder)

On the mixing side of things.. if I've got a decent amount of time for a project ( I usualy do..) then I tend to end up doing alot of automation.. and usualy the chorus ends up being mixed quite differently to the verse.. generaly a little louder.. more kick.. ect.. in these cases I don't think any master fader riding is generaly neccesary.. but I leave that upto the mastering engineer
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