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Why no SSL type eq's for 500? Equalisers (HW)
Old 12th September 2011
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Why no SSL type eq's for 500?

Just curious if there was a reason or if it just hadn't happened yet.
Old 12th September 2011
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Don't most people only pick SSL EQ because they're sitting in front of an SSL?
Old 12th September 2011
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i think speck might make one similar
Old 12th September 2011
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I was going to say because SSL have their equivalent, the SSL X-rack. Surely, if you wanted the SSL sound, you'd go for that.
Old 12th September 2011
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Not really. No interest in investing a different format. The question specifically is "I wonder why there aren't any in 500 format". Not x-rack. If I want Neve, API, Trident, or Harrison I can get it in 500 format. Not just because I'm sitting in front of one of those desks or because I invested in another form factor.
Old 12th September 2011
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Originally Posted by jeffinaustin View Post
Not really. No interest in investing a different format. The question specifically is "I wonder why there aren't any in 500 format". Not x-rack. If I want Neve, API, Trident, or Harrison I can get it in 500 format. Not just because I'm sitting in front of one of those desks or because I invested in another form factor.
because SSL want to sell their format and not APIs.
Old 12th September 2011
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That's a reasonable answer
Old 13th September 2011
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The other reason is, their not just differing the format to spite API, it's because part of the SSL concept is their autmation and recall, their format is designed to service that.

That's my best guess, fwiw.

-andrews
Old 13th September 2011
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Originally Posted by jeffinaustin View Post
Just curious if there was a reason or if it just hadn't happened yet.
The question you should ask is why the other manufacturers haven't made their models for the clearly superior X-rack format.

Can you imagine stereo matching Harrison EQs or doing recall on them with the X-rack way?

Regards,
Frank
Old 13th September 2011
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Don't most people only pick SSL EQ because they're sitting in front of an SSL?
Nope...you pick SSL EQ if you like the sound of SSL EQ!

I know it's not the same, but my go to ITB EQ is the Waves SSL - I know what it does, I know instinctively where I want to turn it to to get a given result...I could put any number of different emulations on if I wanted, but the SSL is the one I use.

Of course I use other EQs for other jobs.
Old 13th September 2011
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That's my point. Also I didn't really expect ssl to pump somebody else's platform. I was asking if there was a known reason someone hadn't built a clone of, for instance, a 4000 E series eq since there are a few 4000 bus comp clones. Just a question. Not a debate starter.
Old 13th September 2011
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for the 500 series..it's not an SSL, but it has a lot of tone shaping possibilities is the Tonelux EQ5P.. it's on the clean-ish side..
it's pretty good in the live environment (where I use it)..

Just my 0.02$,

Bests,

Cheu
Old 13th September 2011
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Don't most people only pick SSL EQ because they're sitting in front of an SSL?
No.

Do people just repeat what they read on the internet?
Old 13th September 2011
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Why no SSL product for the 500 series?
Why no GML product for the 500 series?
Why no Manley product for the 500 series?
Why no Tubetech product for the 500 series?
Why no UniversalAudio product for the 500 series?
Why no AVID product for the 500 series?
Why no Prism product for the 500 series?
Why no Millenia product for the 500 series?
Why no Eventide product for the 500 series?
(...)

Because API doesn't make products that fit the other brand's own systems.


To put it a little more bluntly, the 500 series, as it currently stands, has been redefined and targeted essentially at the prosumer market. It is too limited for plenty of professional stuff to fit in or work properly, and for such equipment, another non-propietary (open standard) format, the 19", already exists.
Old 13th September 2011
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Originally Posted by jindrich View Post
Why no SSL product for the 500 series?
Why no GML product for the 500 series?
Why no Manley product for the 500 series?
Why no Tubetech product for the 500 series?
Why no UniversalAudio product for the 500 series?
Why no AVID product for the 500 series?
Why no Prism product for the 500 series?
Why no Millenia product for the 500 series?
Why no Eventide product for the 500 series?
(...)

Because API doesn't make products that fit the other brand's own systems.


To put it a little more bluntly, the 500 series, as it currently stands, has been redefined and targeted essentially at the prosumer market. It is too limited for plenty of professional stuff to fit in or work properly, and for such equipment, another non-propietary (open standard) format, the 19", already exists.
Old 13th September 2011
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Originally Posted by jindrich View Post
Why no SSL product for the 500 series?
Why no GML product for the 500 series?
Why no Manley product for the 500 series?
Why no Tubetech product for the 500 series?
Why no UniversalAudio product for the 500 series?
Why no AVID product for the 500 series?
Why no Prism product for the 500 series?
Why no Millenia product for the 500 series?
Why no Eventide product for the 500 series?
(...)

Because API doesn't make products that fit the other brand's own systems.


To put it a little more bluntly, the 500 series, as it currently stands, has been redefined and targeted essentially at the prosumer market. It is too limited for plenty of professional stuff to fit in or work properly, and for such equipment, another non-propietary (open standard) format, the 19", already exists.
Old 13th September 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jindrich View Post

To put it a little more bluntly, the 500 series, as it currently stands, has been redefined and targeted essentially at the prosumer market. It is too limited for plenty of professional stuff to fit in or work properly, and for such equipment, another non-propietary (open standard) format, the 19", already exists.
Who makes stuff up like this?
Old 13th September 2011
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Who makes stuff up like this?
Someone with an agenda.

Or complete lack of a clue.

Or both.

Probably both.
Old 13th September 2011
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Ah the folks at Millenia is making 500 series products!
People who find the 500 format works for them, build gear for the 500 format.
You have to be willing to deal with the PSU, the size, the I/O!
As versital as the 500 series gear is as a designer it's limited!

There are some SSl based DIY stuff for the 500. As for EQ, which one? Also I'll bet most would want the low and high pass and I'll bet it would be a tight squeeze!
Old 13th September 2011
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I understand that not every piece made for the 500 series is great, actually there's lot of hype and marketing, and I also agree that this format is somewhat limited, not only to space..

Btw there are few manufacturers that don't cut corners and have GREAT professional products (or tools).. like the Avedis MA5 or the E27. I wouldn't call an MA5 a prosumer preamp by any stretch.

Not that this is important but Millennia does a preamp and an AD converter for the 500 series afaik.

But I guess that everyone has his opinion, no problem..





Cheu
Old 13th September 2011
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Well the truth is:

If there is a gear that was first designed on an 19" Rack format..I wll always buy it on that format.....90% of the cases never will be and sound the same in a 500 series format....

Now if the product was originally created in the 500 series, have to sound great!
Old 13th September 2011
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Originally Posted by zak7 View Post
Well the truth is:

If there is a gear that was first designed on an 19" Rack format..I wll always buy it on that format.....90% of the cases never will be and sound the same in a 500 series format....

Now if the product was originally created in the 500 series, have to sound great!
Huh? Whos' truth?
Old 13th September 2011
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I want to see if you can feet perfectly all the components of a unit that was conceived on a 19" rack...and put it on 500series...many are adaptations...not the real deal.

EX A Designs Pacifica : P1 ...are not the same...do not sound the same.
Old 17th September 2011
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The 500 series is indeed limited by the available voltage, current and space. There is only so much you can do with bipolar 16V and phantom power.

For some circuits it works great. For some it does not work great and a compromise can be reached by converting those voltages to other voltages.
But this takes up crucial circuit board space, and might make more heat inside the unit. Some designers would understandably be unwilling to make those compromises.

Designing a good, quiet, robust power supply for your audio design is half the battle of creating high quality analog audio processing gear. The VPR power supply is in no way adaptable for any and all audio gear designs.

It's indisputabale, and not subject to debate among gear designers.
Old 17th September 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jindrich View Post
Why no SSL product for the 500 series?
Why no GML product for the 500 series?
Why no Manley product for the 500 series?
Why no Tubetech product for the 500 series?
Why no UniversalAudio product for the 500 series?
Why no AVID product for the 500 series?
Why no Prism product for the 500 series?
Why no Millenia product for the 500 series?
Why no Eventide product for the 500 series?
(...)

Because API doesn't make products that fit the other brand's own systems.


To put it a little more bluntly, the 500 series, as it currently stands, has been redefined and targeted essentially at the prosumer market. It is too limited for plenty of professional stuff to fit in or work properly, and for such equipment, another non-propietary (open standard) format, the 19", already exists.
LOL

there are some very nice EQ's out their, what is about the SSL you want to see in the 500 format other than the SSL name?
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