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API 2500 doing the SSL Buss Comp Thing? Dynamics Processors (HW)
Old 17th September 2011
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Try parallel compression in the box (with a compressor plug that doesn't offer wet/dry!)...

I don't do parallel *anything* in the box, not even fx sends... insidious phase smear! Once my ears became attuned to that unique daw parallel-processed phase hash, there was no getting around it.

Drums and vocals suffer the most.


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Old 17th September 2011
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I agree about the ITB phase hash. FX sends are unavoidable for me, because I just don't have enough hardware fx, and because I need the recall for work, but there's no question that when I do even a sloppy A/B of out of the box vs. ITB hardware still sounds better. But... Computers are catching up!
Old 17th September 2011
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Which DAWs? I assumed that plugin delay compensation in modern DAWs was sample accurate. Have I been messing things up using all this time ?
Old 17th September 2011
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Which DAWs? I assumed that plugin delay compensation in modern DAWs was sample accurate.

It's not necessarily a matter of latency, I'm not a dsp guru so I don't claim to know the "why's" of digital sonics. What I know is that anytime I have signal A and it is subjected to dsp process B via a separate bus, subsequent summing of A + B induces problems that to my ears sound like phasing + smearing, especially of the highest registers.

On a console, I can mult a signal into 5 compressors and bring them all back in to a single bus, they merge like they were never apart. With digital, my experience mirrors DanGo: it's sounds better when the processing and blending occur at the same time in the same plugin.


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Old 17th September 2011
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I am very curious to use the drawmer da6 to split the 2bus out into 6 stereo pairs for further parallell procrssing. --> then of course into some mixer. Anyone experience with this setup or some similar device/tool to achieve this?
Old 17th September 2011
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...and in addition to Gregorys post I was recently a bit amazed by the openess and general (good) sonics when I listened to a recording I made with just the raw tracks and no subs. ...and also very liltle plugs I might add. ( Gainstaging usually fine.)
Old 27th September 2011
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Ok, Greg, now I'm reading that you, Mr. Analogue, are putting out a plugin that looks like it'll be fantastic... But, how about parallel compression with it? Still smearing? Or will you build that function in?
Old 27th September 2011
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Ok, Greg, now I'm reading that you, Mr. Analogue, are putting out a plugin that looks like it'll be fantastic... But, how about parallel compression with it? Still smearing? Or will you build that function in?
From what I saw of the plug in, it has the wet/dry mix IN the plugin ON each section! Awesome stuff. So yes, the plug will be doing the wet/dry mixes.

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Frank
Old 27th September 2011
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Hey Frank, that does sound awesome! Looking forward to test driving it.
Old 23rd September 2012
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I don't do parallel *anything* in the box, not even fx sends... insidious phase smear! Once my ears became attuned to that unique daw parallel-processed phase hash, there was no getting around it.

Drums and vocals suffer the most.


Gregory Scott - ubk
interesting.

the phase smear wasn't noticeable at all on my system until i upgraded to logic 9 64 bit. since then i can't use any of parallel comp tricks, which makes me sad, because i had some neat ones!
Old 23rd September 2012
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In my experience the 2500 is incapable of pumping the way you're asking for. To my ears it has a bit to do with the knee and the release; the former is too quick and the latter too slow. But mostly I suspect it's down to the RMS detector and the way it responds to energy, it seems to 'hear' too evenly to pump.

One of these days I've got half a mind to pop the lid on mine and futz around with the attack on that box; I've never adored it, while I've always adored everything else about it. 3:1 is a magic ratio on this comp, not sure why but 80% of the time that's where I end up setting it. Same with 1ms attack.

People love this thing on mix and drums; for whatever reason, those are the two places I almost never use mine. Guitars, on the other hand, or vocals... lovely.


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Greg,

did you ever open up the api and futz around with the attack? inquiring minds wanna know!
Old 23rd September 2012
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Originally Posted by dry;7029746i will have a full brown rack one day. clariphonic/fatso/vac rac (tsl-4)/and a foote control systems p4. if you pulled off a UBK version of the api....i may [I
ONLY[/I] need a brown rack. I might call in to that TBN prayer line and deem this a prayer request. AMEN
I love it

I do really like the "Mittlebronze" anodized material a lot, and my rack has a lot of it!
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