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Old 30th August 2002
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speaker-mic

Here is the contraption:



Inside the kick is a Shure SM91 going through the Grace preamp (very nice, very clean preamp) and then via the LittleLabs IBP into the Sony (DMX R-100) converters. The speaker-mic is going through a VIPRE (300 Ohm/slow rise time) then into the Sony converters. Both "mics" are mixed together on one track. Sounds very cool. You can dial in the amount of low end and punch with the IBP.
Old 31st August 2002
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LOL Michael. . . ur in need of Gearaholics Anonymous! Yes all this is great BUT does the song and the band suck? *smile*

actually that is a great idea on the speaker / mic mounting . . . may steal that idea from u
Old 31st August 2002
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Wow... Nice contraption. I've used a 21" woofer (taped to the kick with a towel wrapped around it) in the past that was MASSIVE AS ANNA NICOLE SMITH'S GUT.

You better patient that device asap...
Old 31st August 2002
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here is my version:


although im using it on a resonator kick. i was going back and forth between using that track or not and ended up gating it just to put a THUNK in the kick.
Old 31st August 2002
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Alpha... Just curious, about your set up... Mic Pre, Chain, etc...

With mine, I actually when STRAIGHT to the channel (of the tape machine). No pre, No eq, No Compression.
Old 31st August 2002
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wish i could remember. fatty's ya know i think i ran it into a hhb radius50 with mild compression on it.
Old 31st August 2002
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Originally posted by Knox
LOL Michael. . . ur in need of Gearaholics Anonymous!
Hey, I tried but they kicked me out. heh
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Yes all this is great BUT does the song and the band suck? *smile*
Yep,, great songs, great drummer, lotsa fun
Old 31st August 2002
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I have been trying Michael's set-up for 3 or 4 drum sessions, with great results. But I don't have the little "dial-a-phase" box yet (still got to figure out if it's worth 5 bills or not). I just use the phase on the board, or the pre. I don't mix them to 1 track, though - I record them both and have all kinds of tonal control during mixing, without having to touch an EQ. (In my setup at least) the 91 and the little speaker both sound like ass alone, but together, they are magic. When mixing them up, I know instantly when it's just right, and now that I have a full-blown ADAM surround system, with the ADAM sub, when it sounds right, I know it IS right.

The little speaker works great, got it at Radio Shack for $20 (it has the ever-important rubber ring. The magnet is so large and heavy on mine, that the speaker is louder than most of my dynamic mics! rollz

Oh yeah, the reason they kicked Michael out of Gearaholics Anonymous is because he was such a bad influence on the others, who were making progress...
Old 31st August 2002
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what speaker are you using Michael?
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This is a bizarre but interesting thread...I assume that the heavier-duty the speaker, the more lowend 'whomp'... interesting to see what something like an SVT 10" or an EV 10 would do in comparison to, say, a Celestion...

(Note to self: try an JBL 18" on kick...)
Old 31st August 2002
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what speaker are you using Michael?
I'm using a 6" woofer out of an Infinity 2001 speaker. They were my fav speakers for mixing in the 80s and early 90s. They also were only 50W and I had a 500W Bedini poweramp driving them. Needless to say I had to "subscribe" to spare parts. And it so happens I had a couple of them sitting around when I wanted to try that speaker idea. I think the important part is, that the speaker has a soft rubber ring around the cone, so it is easier to move by air. It does hardly pick up any high frequencies (as in cymbals/snare/hat) even just sitting unprotected outside of the kick. I DO like alpha's setup, gotta try that. Now we have to put bungee cords in the budget heh

Randy
congrats on the ADAM setup How is the sub? maybe we should try THAT in front of a kick heh heh heh
Old 1st September 2002
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That looks pretty cool. Where did the metal stand come from? Looks like something from an Erector set. How does everyone have the speaker wired up? Do you need a direct box or did you just put an XLR on the end?

I have an old Ross practice amp that my bass player from high school left here. It's got an 8" speaker and while the amp is pretty much dead I never bothered to throw it out. I've been thinking about using that for the speaker as mic thing. Thoughts? Should I take it out of the open back cabinet or should I seal the back?
Old 1st September 2002
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Originally posted by mwagener

I DO like alpha's setup, gotta try that. Now we have to put bungee cords in the budget heh
yours is much slicker than mine... and i dont know if i would put bungee cords on that kick in your pic. im going to have to try various speakers, the one in my pic was a stock car speaker complete with paper cone...
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Randy
congrats on the ADAM setup How is the sub? maybe we should try THAT in front of a kick heh heh heh
Michael, the ADAM sub is tight, responsive, acurate, and unbelievably loud. I think I have it set on about "3", to match the SA3s, which are also real loud (but oh so good). As a wannabe bass player, I've always loved mutiple 10" speakers for anything bass. The two 10's in the sub give me 20" of chest-pounding lows, but with 10" response speed, so no matter how low it goes, it never breaks up and becomes soggy.

So it got me thinking - why not try a 10" for the kick speaker, as Midlandmorgan suggested. Only it might be better if it WERE a sub type speaker, because of the long excursion? Maybe I WILL take one of the 10's out of the ADAM and try it! Like hell! rollz Hey btw, have fun in NY!

Alphajerk your setup is so cool. I remember reading about your "shell within a shell" approach, and I wondered what it looked like. Great you could put a picture up. I gotta try the bungy cords too next time.
Old 1st September 2002
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That looks pretty cool. Where did the metal stand come from? Looks like something from an Erector set. How does everyone have the speaker wired up? Do you need a direct box or did you just put an XLR on the end?

I have an old Ross practice amp that my bass player from high school left here. It's got an 8" speaker and while the amp is pretty much dead I never bothered to throw it out. I've been thinking about using that for the speaker as mic thing. Thoughts? Should I take it out of the open back cabinet or should I seal the back?
I put the stand together with pop rivets and aluminum parts from Home depot. It has little rubber feet, so it won't move around. The cable is one of my mic cables on which I cut off the female XLR. It's wired with pin 2 to the "+" of the speaker and pin 3 to the "-" of the speaker. The shield is only connected on the male plug (preamp) side. You can use any mic pre, it puts out enough power to operate the mic pre in a normal range. You DO need a second mic for the attack and high end of the kick. For me the old Shure SM91 plate works great, I think they make that again (Randy?)

If you use the Ross speaker I would probably take it out of the cabinet and mount it somehow (alpha's system comes to mind, what a brilliant idea), but it may sound great in a closed cabinet, haven't tried that yet.
Old 1st September 2002
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Originally posted by Randy Copus

Alphajerk your setup is so cool. I remember reading about your "shell within a shell" approach, and I wondered what it looked like. Great you could put a picture up. I gotta try the bungy cords too next time.
i snapped the pic after i had begun tearing down the session. there WERE blankets over the two kicks making a tunnel of sorts between the two.


im VERY jealous of your surround setup. no way i can afford an ADAM surround setup although i have had the extreme pleasure of experiencing it at michaels. good gawd.

if you want a killer 10" with super long excursion, look for a MacIntosh car sub. those things were the most beautiful sounding sub speaker i have ever heard for the car... its just they took over 1.5 cu/ft of airspace per driver... so now way i could fit that in my car.
Old 1st September 2002
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...You DO need a second mic for the attack and high end of the kick. For me the old Shure SM91 plate works great, I think they make that again (Randy?)
Yeah, the new one is the Beta 91 (just got one a month ago), but it looks the same as the old one. It's hard to say if it sounds different, as I only really ever used the old 91 in live work. It certainly doesn't have any real low end to it (still). I always used one on live stages when I could, because it kept the bass from bleeding into the kick better than dynamics, and the beater click always poked through.

R
Old 3rd May 2008
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I'm def a newb in the high end recording aspet.
I worked with Matt Goldman on a record I was on, and he used a speaker to mic kick and bass cabs.
I never got around to asking him hw exactly he wired it, some instruction on how to do it exactly would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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