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Which Mic for my Vocals? AKG C24 or C12? Condenser Microphones
Old 1st January 2011
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Which Mic for my Vocals? AKG C24 or C12?

I have a matched pair of vintage C12 mics and a Mint Vintage C24 to choose from to record my vocals. The chain are 2 Vintech X81's into Distressors. I also have a Great River Pre. I wish I had some other options but I'm lucky to have these. Anyway, for my voice, what signal chain would be best? I'll post a workmix with a scratch vocal to give you and idea of my voice tone. Thanks.

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Old 1st January 2011
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If you have to ask... neither.
Old 1st January 2011
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why track a lv in stereo ? for choirs sure but else ... ?
Old 1st January 2011
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id say listen to them all in a shoot out....put em in a track and see what the favorite is. quality problem by the way. good luck.
Old 1st January 2011
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If you have to ask... neither.
I didn't HAVE to ask, was interested in informed opinions since I have never used these mics for vocals. Will Be Tracking Acoustic GTRs through the C24 though

As far as the Stereo thing, The guy who owns the mics (studio owner etc for 40 years says He got the Mic from Sunset Sound and it was Kenny Rogers' Fav Vocal Mic etc..I told him I never heard of anyone recording vox on a C24.
Old 1st January 2011
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As far as the Stereo thing, The guy who owns the mics (studio owner etc for 40 years says He got the Mic from Sunset Sound and it was Kenny Rogers' Fav Vocal Mic etc..I told him I never heard of anyone recording vox on a C24.
As far as the sound of the individual mics go - that's a judgment call you'll have to make... give them a try, make an educated decision. They're all great mics.

On the stereo thing... I'm a bit too lazy to rewrite the technique... so I'll excerpt it from the T-funk website TELEFUNKEN Elektroakustik :: TELEFUNKEN AR-70

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One of the most unique ways to use the R-F-T AR-70 is in "dual mono" mode, which can lead to all kinds of interesting textures for vocals. By running the outputs into two different microphone pre-amplifiers, the user can now have one capsule set up to sound its best on quiet passages in a vocal and the other for louder passages.

If the user runs about 10db more gain on the microphone pre-amplifier for the capsule that is set up to record quiet passages, then both outputs can be recorded separately and blended later; or a compression device can be used on the pre-amplifier that is set up for the quieter passages which will net about 12-15db of gain reduction as the singer gets louder. These two outputs can be summed and the resulting signal will maintain a relatively constant level while being automatically combined for optimal capture the performance.
--- I learned this technique from Don Smith -- he said he usually used the technique with a Neumann SM-69, I've used those as well as C-24's.

I hope this is of some assistance.

Peace.
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I didn't HAVE to ask, was interested in informed opinions since I have never used these mics for vocals.
They use the same capsule - they sound very close to each other - the C24 maybe a tad darker.

You're asking which of 2 mics that sound quite similar is best... If you had asked the differences between an RCA44BX and a C12 then maybe I could pick one for your voice...
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They use the same capsule - they sound very close to each other - the C24 maybe a tad darker.
Due respect - the tonal differences would be the variation from mic to mic. They have all the same parts, the differences would be due variations in maintenance, tolerances in original manufacture [or due to service], etc. Upon birth one would not have sounded brighter or darker.

The C-24 is a tad noisier than the C-12... but for most applications the difference in noise floor is not appreciable.

Peace.
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Just pick the one that sounds best. I've used the C24 at Sound City for vocals, but just used one channel. Unless one mic is broken, it's win/win and no need to obsess.

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Old 2nd January 2011
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Thanks Guys. I ususally hear C12's being used on Females so that's the reason I got a bit nervous. I'm sure we'll be able to dial it in. Would have preferred a U47 as I've used that before on my voice but beggars can't be choosers!
Old 2nd January 2011
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Well if your choice is between a C12 or a C24 then that part's already decided.

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Old 6th January 2011
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As far as the sound of the individual mics go - that's a judgment call you'll have to make... give them a try, make an educated decision. They're all great mics.

On the stereo thing... I'm a bit too lazy to rewrite the technique... so I'll excerpt it from the T-funk website TELEFUNKEN Elektroakustik :: TELEFUNKEN AR-70



--- I learned this technique from Don Smith -- he said he usually used the technique with a Neumann SM-69, I've used those as well as C-24's.

I hope this is of some assistance.

Peace.

Thank you for sharing,

kind regards, Darc.
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I have been working with the C12 for three years now, and it is a wonderful microphone. The warmth of the sound is simply amazing. With a good vintage pre, and some plate verb, the experience could be almost psychedelic. The C12 offers vocalists a high level of responsiveness. This mike is a musical instrument which the vocalist learns to play by regulating distance, sound pressure, and angle of approach. I have no personal experience with the C24 but this page provides some interesting insights.

What about the AKG C24
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