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BAE 1073MP vs Fearn VT-2?
Old 20th September 2010
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BAE 1073MP vs Fearn VT-2?

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Old 20th September 2010
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Hi
Don't any of the 'local' dealers do 'sale or return' over there?
Get both and try them head to head.
Matt S
Old 20th September 2010
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Originally Posted by Chris Lago View Post
Has anyone compared both pres at all? I'm looking into the 2 and I'm wondering which pre would give me the highest quality vocals. Of course the BAE 1073 MP and MPF cost less, so I'd really like to know if anyone has compared the 2 for vocals.
Haven't I seen you say you've heard both of them? I could be wrong.

I have heard both of them, and I still have the VT2.

FWIW - I sold an Aurora GTQ2 to afford it. The BAE is a great unit as well.

All great units. You Can't find a bad choice.
Old 21st September 2010 | Show parent
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I don't think the VT2 will be better than the BAE, just different...

You can always 'rent' them from Economik and send both back.
Old 21st September 2010 | Show parent
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Hey, I've heard the VT-2 in person next to a Neve 1081 and I thought that the VT-2 was much better, and I've only heard the BAE 1073MP on here, but it sounded great. It's a matter of quality vs money. Yes I could get both from Economik and keep the one I like most, but I wasn't intending to by a new Vt-2 (VT-1 in my case), I was intending to buy a new BAE 1073mp or the MPF from economik though. I just feel bad sending both back if I realize that the VT-1 is much better and I want to buy it used!
As a card holder/lifetime member of the Regional Boutique Audio Gear Pimping Association [AKA the R.B.A.G.P.A] - I would strongly recommend that you speak directly to Francois about your investment, goals, aesthetics - outlook on equipment selection - and get the professional council that this equipment really requires. Those guys are very cool folk in my experience - and I am sure you can work out a demo with them to arrange the "best" purchase for you.
Old 21st September 2010 | Show parent
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what mics and compressor's are you going to be using in conjunction with the vt2 or the bae ? that might give people a better idea when looking at the rest of your chain, and which pre compliments your chain.
Old 21st September 2010 | Show parent
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Just curious, has the MA5 lost favor with you? Is that not working for vocals?
Old 21st September 2010 | Show parent
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Fearn.

Also, tracking comps can be your friend. Any intimate, light breathy dramatic vocal can significantly affect the performance. Like the difference between making love and making porn.

But hey, i am told by many women that many guys don't know the difference between that either.

Its not all that hard to track with compression though if you are looking to affect the performance but not impart a total sonic signature.
Old 22nd September 2010 | Show parent
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I just got done with a project where I Used the D.W. Fearn VT-2 on lead Vocals for most of the tracks and I really feel like it is one of the all around best preamps for a Big vocal size. It does sort of soften transients somewhat, but its ever so slight and usually works in your favor when tracking vocals.
I've also used it for Kick drum and Bass DI. which worked wonderfully as well. Seems like whatever you put it on it exaggerates the size of the source. It's kinda funny. It's a beast of a preamp though.
Old 22nd September 2010 | Show parent
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Fearn sounds very classy, so smooth and natural.
1073 (incl. bAE) is r'n'r.
Something like NOS Vette vs. new RR Phantom.
Both are stars, but I prefer RR (if choice given)
Old 22nd September 2010 | Show parent
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I just want a cream of the crop Preamp to say that I have one!
Really..?? Say it to who? Us or clients? If I say Fearn, most clients would look for a potted plant. Say Neve, & I'm pretty sure most clients are not thinking about her..

Old 22nd September 2010 | Show parent
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I gotta ask - Do you want thick - dark and dense, or supple - soft and round? The Fearn has a tone that makes things sound better than you thought before you patched it, and the transistor stuff mentioned is much more weighty and very coloring of the sonics of the microphone, which might be desirable for low end microphone with zipper installed into their output. The Fearn can subdue problematic hf resonance and brittleness, but IME still doesn't turn **** into fairy dust. No preamp does that.
Old 22nd September 2010 | Show parent
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Do you want thick - dark and dense, or supple - soft and round?
i need to go get a rub and tug after reading that
Old 23rd September 2010 | Show parent
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Never used the VT-2, but I have the BAE 1073MPF and so far vocals are the only thing that I don't love it on.

I got the BAE a few weeks ago and have since tried it on a few different vocalist (screamers and singers) with several different mics: Lawson L47mp, 421, 414.

In most cases a Chandler Germanium pre beat out the BAE for vocals, except in one instance where I actually ended up preferring a Great River mp-nv2 (which seemed weird to me being that the great river is essentially a lesser 1073 clone than the BAE...but whatever, it sounded better so **** it).

I do tend to prefer the BAE on pretty much EVERYTHING else though...and I would still highly recommend it as a general purchase...it's just not my cup of tea for vocals.
Old 23rd September 2010 | Show parent
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I vote for the fearn, although in this price range you could pick up a used pendulum quartet I(they go for about 2200) or for 2600 theres a used quartet II on the bay right now . then you can take the money you were going to buy the tubetech with and use it for other gear purchases..... like a downpayment on a used sony c 800g ......heh
Old 23rd September 2010 | Show parent
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Interesting thread this. I have a VT1 which I love on my wife's voice. Been thinking of adding a 1073-ish pre to give us another flavour which might suit my voice better - perhaps something with a bit more grit or bite. Still unsure though...
Old 23rd September 2010 | Show parent
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From audio files I have heard on the net, I personally would say no.
UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!

Yaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is AS GREAT, but its different and I cannot believe you hold higher credence to audio samples on gearslutz than you would your own experience with something in your own environment. The Q1 is a GREAT piece of hardware - but it fits a DIFFERENT aesthetic than these boxes, which is why you should try it out first before you disregard its stature against something else. Sorry Chris - I don't mean to be harsh - but I don't believe you can form a pro opinion or experience with a sample.
Old 23rd September 2010 | Show parent
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Obviously a couple of great pres. I have the BAE 1073MP and another unhearalded pre(Mercury M72). I am really getting intrigued by the Fearn...but I am still afraid of it. A reality check would mean I would have to sell both of mine to get it. I was 'almost' ready untill Adam said " The Fearn can subdue problematic hf resonance and brittleness, but IME still doesn't turn **** into fairy dust." After that, my confidence has wavered.

However, if Chris was to get a Fearn and also purchase the Sony 800 mic,
he might not be able to post anymore. His feet would probably be too far off the ground to reach a keyboard as he would be floating away to hog heaven.
Old 24th September 2010 | Show parent
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Wow, a Fearn, a Sony 800 ,and a Cl1B...quite a combination! Chris, I would tend to think you are getting greedy, but I realize you are only asking for that setup in mono instead of everything in stereo. This humbly shows true professional discipline...and a bit of the ascetic. Hope you get it. thumbsupthumbsup
Old 24th September 2010 | Show parent
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Wow, a Fearn, a Sony 800 ,and a Cl1B...quite a combination! Chris, I would tend to think you are getting greedy, but I realize you are only asking for that setup in mono instead of everything in stereo. This humbly shows true professional discipline...and a bit of the ascetic. Hope you get it. thumbsupthumbsup
Thanks, but if I have an ma5 already; i should just add the Cl1b, use the K2/ma5/cl1b chain and eventually buy the Sony c800g at the end of April, sounds like a plan. I could buy the fearn, but I would have to save even more $$$ for a compressor... I mean as much as the Fearn is great, why steer away from the Cl1b at this point if I already have a decent pre in the MA5?

I need a Cl1b, but I'd love to have a fearn too, so yeah
Old 24th September 2010 | Show parent
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Hate to throw yet another element into the mix but my VT1 only began to really shine when I got my room fixed. No slur intended on your recording environment - it may well be stellar - but I got more bang for my buck from bass traps. I'll go now.
Old 24th September 2010 | Show parent
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Hate to throw yet another element into the mix but my VT1 only began to really shine when I got my room fixed. No slur intended on your recording environment - it may well be stellar - but I got more bang for my buck from bass traps. I'll go now.
My room sounds great, I put bass traps where they were needed. Could you post a song recorded with the fearn?
Old 24th September 2010 | Show parent
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Actually, ever since I bought the Mytek 96AD, the MA5 has really come to life! I was thinking of selling it but not I want to keep it, the bass is much better and bigger now. I really like it, I don't think I'd sell it. I just want a cream of the crop Preamp to say that I have one!
The MA5 is cream of the crop... You can already say that!

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Get a top notch mic before you go buying additional preamps. You already have an excellent preamp. Now save some money and get that C800G.
Old 24th September 2010 | Show parent
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My room sounds great, I put bass traps where they were needed. Could you post a song recorded with the fearn?
I'd love to Chris but we only do voiceover here. I've recorded the odd mate singing for fun but it might not be fair to post those results since I'm pretty clueless about vocalist recording and tend to overdo the compression.
Old 24th September 2010 | Show parent
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What about compression? I just feel like right now I could pretty much get by with a DBX 160 while tracking (meaning using a bit of compression for direct monitoring, so the singer can be more comfortable), and just record the unprocessed version, use the Tubetech Cl1b vst plugin, then De-Esser then Tubetech EQ plug. The vst compressor is 85 to 90% there in terms of sound, but I can't compress as much as I would be able to with the hardware, it loses a bit of sparkle and also, it's modded after the stock tubes, and I'm used to using one with Tele tubes.

Should my next piece of gear be the Cl1b or just save up and get a c800g?
Get the microphone next! Your CL1B lust is a product of spending entirely too much time on this forum.

I like the CL1B, but there are a half dozen other compressors I like at least as much on vocals. And, in your case.. no compressor is going to have the impact that a better mic will.

So do the following:

Get the 800G, and keep the MA5.

Get a compressor when you have the money.

Don't spend all day on GS.

Get some exercise and eat a well balanced diet.

Make good music and live a long and productive life.

Old 24th September 2010 | Show parent
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Get the microphone next! Your CL1B lust is a product of spending entirely too much time on this forum.

I like the CL1B, but there are a half dozen other compressors I like at least as much on vocals. And, in your case.. no compressor is going to have the impact that a better mic will.

So do the following:

Get the 800G, and keep the MA5.

Get a compressor when you have the money.

Don't spend all day on GS.

Get some exercise and eat a well balanced diet.

Make good music and live a long and productive life.

Thanks, by the way I do work out everyday so I'm good in that department! Thanks a lot for your advice, it's been helping a lot. I don't know if you realize this but a lot of my gear purchases have been based on what you keep telling me to buy heh

Don't tell me to buy a Fairchild next though
Old 24th September 2010 | Show parent
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If you're curious

Since I have my VT1 for sale right now, I will refrain from commenting. However, you're asking for clips, so I'll give you a clip:

http://www.meryll.net/rimziate/Katillus.mp3

Vocals: U47 > DW Fearn VT1 > Distressor > API 550 EQ - MCI JH16
Acoustic guitars: U67 > DW Fearn VT1 > Distressor > API 550 EQ - MCI JH16
Old 24th September 2010 | Show parent
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As mentioned earlier, I never record vocals - we do solely voiceover - but this is a mate of mine who does a bit of karaoke. I record him from time to time for fun and he buys me a beer. This vocal got done in one take and couple of fixes.

Don't beat me up because I'm pretty clueless about vocal recording - but it might give you an idea of the VT1 sound. There again I might be doing Doug a complete dis-service! Anyway - warts and all here is my mate Stan....
Attached Files

Head on my shoulder_Mix.mp3 (5.43 MB, 5221 views)

Old 24th September 2010 | Show parent
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Andrewh,....that is a great clip. I appreciate you posting it, loved the blends of sounds, that Fearn sounds great on everything...interesting variety on the vocal textures also. thumbsupthumbsup
Old 24th September 2010 | Show parent
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Drive it

If you want to hear what it sounds like when you drive the VT1 harder, listen to the vocals on this song:

http://www.meryll.net/mp3/cassark.mp3

When I first heard the play-back in the CR (I'm the singer), I wasn't so sure I liked it that hot. Turned out to be one of my favorite vocal sounds on the album.
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