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Hand Crafted Lab Tube micamp and compressor, Blind test against 1176,v72,ADL and more Condenser Microphones
Old 12th November 2005
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Hand Crafted Lab Tube micamp and compressor, Blind test against 1176,v72,ADL and more

Like many other I was very interested in the products of this small new company.
the specs, look and description made me curios especially at their very low retail price.
as their products are not available on shops I asked their man in Berlin to bring me the compressor and micamp for a pro test in my studio (www.lowswing.de).
Just to clear thing: I'm not connected by any means to hand crafted labs!, I'm just a costumer and i thought I'd do here a favor for other by posting here my test files.

these were the test:

acoustic guitar: a vintage km54 was recording guild acoustic guitar through 4 pres :Telefunken v676a (I got 4 of them,they were NOS), tele V72 (in real great condition!),Cadac g268 (very neve-ish class A pre) and the Hand Crafted labs tube micpre. no ee, compressor or any processing direct to swissonic ad24(better than my RME) at 24bit 44.1khz into SX3.1 ditherd to 16bit by apogge UV22HR
Vocals: Gefell um92.1s through the pres above.
ac gtr compressed: one of the files above compressed by 1176, adr compex, ADL cl1000, Hand Crafted tube compressor.
voc compressed: one of the files above compressed by the above compressors.
bass compressed: a 70' vintage Fender fretless precision was recorded through DI in the v676 (this basic file called bass a) and than compressed by the compressors above (files bass b-bass e)

Listen to the files and say your opinion. soon I'll post what is what as well the result we got in the studio (main, my assistant-Andy, and guitarist/vocalist Johannes opinions)

to this post are attached the acoustic guitar test ac a,b,c and d
Enjoy

FILES WORKING NOW!
Attached Files

ac a.wav (1.60 MB, 7763 views)

ac b.wav (1.48 MB, 4682 views)

ac c.wav (1.77 MB, 5556 views)

ac d.wav (1.69 MB, 4679 views)

Old 12th November 2005
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Great idea Low Swing, and I am really excited to hear your recordings!

But for some reason I can open your files but not hear anything! It is just silence...

Strange

I'll try again later,

Rob
Old 12th November 2005
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thanks for the worning the files i took from the studio are empty... something went wrong while boucing,it was a long night...
sorry I'll post the right files tomorrow.
Old 13th November 2005
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[B]files working now![/B]

here is the vocal preamp test
Attached Files

voc a.wav (2.03 MB, 4466 views)

voc b.wav (2.03 MB, 4034 views)

voc c.wav (2.03 MB, 3777 views)

voc d.wav (2.03 MB, 3959 views)

Old 13th November 2005
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compressed vocal test

one of the files of the vocal test compressed (ca 5db reduction ) .
Attached Files

voc comp a.wav (2.03 MB, 3617 views)

voc comp b.wav (2.03 MB, 3225 views)

voc comp c.wav (2.03 MB, 3124 views)

voc comp d.wav (2.04 MB, 3587 views)

Old 13th November 2005
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compressed acoustic guitar

a file from the first post compressed
Attached Files

ac comp a.wav (1.59 MB, 2877 views)

ac comp b.wav (1.54 MB, 3856 views)

ac comp c.wav (1.54 MB, 3171 views)

ac comp d.wav (1.55 MB, 2633 views)

Old 13th November 2005
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the bass compressor test

a vintage fretless precision was recorded through a DI into v676 mic amp (file "bass a") and than compressed ca. -9db (files "bass b" to "bass e")
Attached Files

bass a.wav (950.2 KB, 3174 views)

bass b.wav (950.2 KB, 2949 views)

bass c.wav (950.2 KB, 2813 views)

bass d.wav (950.2 KB, 2833 views)

bass e.wav (950.2 KB, 2536 views)

Old 13th November 2005
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Great work Lowswing. It'll be interesting to see the results on this one.

Stisse

thumbsup
Old 13th November 2005
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I join. Thanks Guy- good works.
Old 13th November 2005
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so anyone want to give it a try and say what is your favorite file?
Old 13th November 2005
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On the compressor A. or D. B is grany C is flat and boaring.
Old 13th November 2005
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sozo which compressor test (bass,voc,ac gtr)? they are not them same (same goes to pres, the order of the test was change between the vocals and guitar)
Old 13th November 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lowswing
Like many other I was very interested in the products of this small new company.
Which company is it ? Any link ?
Old 13th November 2005
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Old 13th November 2005
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guitar > i like A and D the best, A being fuller and D being brighter/tilted to highs... the other two was not bad, but a bit nasal sounding... probably I liked C the least.

voc > A is my favorite, B is interesting - some mild distortion and hifreq rolloff, could be nice to use sometimes, C and D are not bad, but I don't like the HF so much

I can't comment compressor tracks, because they are so different... though vox b has some hum and compressor d is the most even imo. The other 3 seems to be slow at the beginning... slowly going down with volume in the first few seconds.

(and sorry I'm listening only through Apogee MiniDAC > AKG K270 headphones, because I'm at Barcelona without my precious speakers. This headphones sounds really bright, so it may influence my judgement.)
Old 14th November 2005
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Hi Lowswing,

thanx for uploading these wonderful files. thumbsup

I am the German distributor of HCL gear and I´m very pleased that there is so much interest worldwide in this stuff. heh

HCL Trading
Old 14th November 2005
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More Tests

@ everybody:

please also visit our tests against SPL & RME preamps:
www.hcl-trading.de.vu
I recommend the Dobro guitar recordings stike

Cheers,
HCL Trading
Old 14th November 2005
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common be brave and post your insight on these files!
here are my studio crew opinions:
AC guitar file "A" was by far number one after "D" which most thought was nice but not as real as "A" after came "C" and than "B" which i thought was too dark for this application.
for Vocal Pre here was a very tight run between "A" and "D" in the end we agreed that "a" is better but "d" would fit better a rockier singer, "c" was to our hears a bit boring while "b" was good but a bit too dark and seems to call for EQ.
on the compressor files there was less clear results I presonally loved "D" on Guitar "B" and "A" on Voc and "B" on bass.
Old 14th November 2005
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PLEASE REVEAL IT

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE! PM me if you aren't ready to let the cat out of the bag! Thanks.
Old 14th November 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tubesandteles
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE! PM me if you aren't ready to let the cat out of the bag! Thanks.
I'll do .....



in few days heh

why don't you post your impression, i'm really curios on what people think.
Old 14th November 2005
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ac gtr I liked A the best. Clear, 3d, real, less "thickener" than the others.

-R
Old 15th November 2005
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AC guitar I liked

A
D
C
B

Compressed I liked A. But the rest sounded pretty similar and not cool to me. I guess the whole 240 hz thing was bugging me and they all seemed to make it worse.

Compressed vox I like

B
A
C
D
Old 15th November 2005
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2 bus?

Is it capable of nicely doing 2bus compression ?
cheers,
Macmo
Old 15th November 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul David
AC guitar I liked

A
D
C
B
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoZo
On the compressor A. or D. B is grany C is flat and boaring.
Exactly the same here, amazing.

A
D
C
B

Haven't checked the vox yet.
Old 16th November 2005
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ok I'll start to reveal the fact...
Acoustic guitar Preamp test :
A= v676a
B= V72
C= Cadac
D= Hand carfted labs tube pream
Old 16th November 2005
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not bad for the HC ;-)

V72 sounded interesting on voc, is it the 100% condition one?
Old 16th November 2005
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Thanks.
Separate thanks to LowSwing Studio,Berlin in person of Guy Sternberg and to his employees for the done interesting testing.

But continue to state your opinions and wishes, please.

It would be desirable to specify, that for today leveller has received fast/hard mode in addition (opto also) - therefore opportunities of its use have extended. Stereo Link possible also, if need.
Old 16th November 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HandCrafted Lab
Thanks.
Separate thanks to Slowjazz Studio,Berlin in person of Guy Sternberg and to his employees for the done interesting testing.
hmm, it's LowSwing studio
the vocal pre results:
pre A=cadac
pre B=V72
pre C=V676a
pre D=Hand Crafted

in this test the HCL pres was our winner.

matucha, My v72 is in top condition recaped and taken care by engineer recomended by Oliver of Tab/telefunken USA

the copmressor results will be published soon ...
Old 17th November 2005
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Any ideas on the costs of these units in US dollars?


Thanks
Old 18th November 2005
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compressor files:
acoustic guitar compressed by:
A=HCL
B=1176
c=compex
D=ADL

vocal compressed by:
A=compex
B=1176
C=HCL
D=ADL

bass compressed=
A=none compressed pure file (precision->passive DI->v676)
B=1176
C=ADL
D=compex
E=HCL
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