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SPL Transient Designer Dynamics Plugins
Old 14th March 2005
  #211
By the way the Sony Trans Mod can ad drum punch to an over compressed mix in a mastering situation.... It's helped me out of a few jams...
Old 14th March 2005
  #212
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Originally Posted by deft_bonz
there is just one thing with the transient designers:

they change the sound character even if you bypass

that's a pitty, but with a patchbay you can prevent this easily
Just FYI: We have hard bypasses via relays here to provide power fail safety. They switch from input to output directly, so only I/O stages and maybe also wires are left for producing changes.

Anyway -- it was not made for bypassing ...

Greetz
Paul
Old 14th March 2005
  #213
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Originally Posted by SPL
Just FYI: We have hard bypasses via relays here to provide power fail safety. They switch from input to output directly, so only I/O stages and maybe also wires are left for producing changes.

Anyway -- it was not made for bypassing ...

Greetz
Paul
Then I probably hear the I/O stages. It's not a bad thing, not at all. You just should think of it
Old 14th March 2005
  #214
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Is there active circuitry between the input and output when the bypass is engaged? I always hate it when designers do that. Signal should go directly from input to output via relays. Doing things that way makes it very easy to see what a processor is doing to level...which so many boxes don't do a good job telling us via a couple of leds, or a single clip light.
And besides, putting anything active in the bypass loop means that in a power-loss scenario the unit won't pass audio...so I'm a bit confused about being able to hear the "in/out stages" in this case. It sure would be good to include schematics for gear when the unit is purchased....hint, hint. None of my SPL gear (I've got 5 different models) came with schematics.

-tom
Old 14th March 2005
  #215
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Originally Posted by deft_bonz
Then I probably hear the I/O stages. It's not a bad thing, not at all. You just should think of it
I don't doubt at all that you, me, everybody hears even I/Os.
There are no stages without effects. As you said, the solution to exclude the TD I/Os is a patchbay -- though we hear that too

But from our experience, these differences from components/stages are nothing compared to differences caused by cables and their varying capacities depending on the lengths -- higher capacities cause dampening of upper frequencies.
For example, if you'd connect the cables to/from TD to each other and compare this to the bypassed TD, it would be more precise to judge the I/Os effects. Or if you'd compare the signal going through such an cable loop without TD to the original signal, you'd hear what the cables are doing. Though its a difference to have two 1 feet cable with a unit between or one 2 feet cable ...
OK, keep thinking ...

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Paul
Old 14th March 2005
  #216
A very true word, indeed

The differences between bypassed/not bypassed is though more apparent, because you get used to the sound of your wires and patchbays. Normally you can not bypass your wire'n'cables just like you can do it with bypass knob on a unit. So you get used to the "sound" of your studio. Within this sound you hear the changes that a unit makes of its own. The whole discussion here is based on the fact that the studio is cabled up with high end brand like mogami etc.

That said, I just wanted to explain that the change made by the TD is bigger than other high end gear. When you use it though, the win is much more worth than the sound change. If you don't use it, then no one should patch in gear anyway.

Nevertheless I recommend to everyone a TD. In my eyes it is a cult like 1176, Distressor, etc...

TD is a great unit.
Old 14th March 2005
  #217
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Originally Posted by TER
Is there active circuitry between the input and output when the bypass is engaged? I always hate it when designers do that. Signal should go directly from input to output via relays. Doing things that way makes it very easy to see what a processor is doing to level...which so many boxes don't do a good job telling us via a couple of leds, or a single clip light.
And besides, putting anything active in the bypass loop means that in a power-loss scenario the unit won't pass audio...so I'm a bit confused about being able to hear the "in/out stages" in this case. It sure would be good to include schematics for gear when the unit is purchased....hint, hint. None of my SPL gear (I've got 5 different models) came with schematics.

-tom
Hi Tom,

when bypassed, the signal goes just straight from Input to output to maintain signal flow even without power, e. g. if the power supply of a TD would blow.
As I said before in the thread with deft_bonz, there's a lot to mention before you even CAN compare what the I/Os are doing. Like anything else they influence something, but one would have to compare to alternative I/Os and then evaluate this difference of passive components like connectors and internal wiring ... which certainly is far beyond those effects from cables for example.

Thanks for your hint, in another thread I already promised to pay more attention to specs and schematics in our manuals -- and I will!

If you or anybody else needs schematics, just drop me a note.

Regards,
Paul
Old 14th March 2005
  #218
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deft_bonz
A very true word, indeed

...

TD is a great unit.
Thanks man.
Old 20th April 2005
  #219
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you're one of the only people I've heard of that has both units,would love a bit of description of the strengths and weaknesses of each.
Cheers,
Chris
2nd that. if you had to pick one (Sony or SPL), which would it be?
Old 22nd April 2005
  #220
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I have both, and do use both, but am currently selling the SPL. It's an invaluable, brilliant piece of gear, however... for what I do, the Sony TM is just much more practical. I'm not forced to commit to tape, I can use it on as many tracks as my Powercore will handle, and it has a bit more control than the TD by itself.

Don't get me wrong, the TD is great, and works magic on a number of tracks... however, I find that every so often there will be a track that just isn't working well through the TD, but because of extra control in TM, I can play around with in different capacities throughout the course of the mix and, very often, find something that works.

I should also add, that I have the 2channel version, and am a bit of wuss when it comes to dealing with unbalanced devices. I suspect if I had the 4 channel XLR version, I might have different feelings about selling it. From the minute I first used the 2 channel version, I realised that I should have gotten the four channel version, so if you are going that route, do yourself a favor and get the 4 channel version to start with.

b :*
Old 22nd April 2005
  #221
I still have no new opinion for you!

We use our 4 channel Transvestite Designer on drums during tracking, the Sony TM gets use at mixdown time..
Old 22nd April 2005
  #222
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oh, and where can i get one.... their list of dealers is lengthy but no one stocks them! i checked several.
Sorry to seem like I'm "pimping" but we have at least two of the 4 channel units on the shelf at any given moment.

Carry on.
Old 22nd April 2005
  #223
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does anyone have any before/after using the spl mp3's or anything? interested in getting this for kicks and snares..
Old 22nd April 2005
  #224
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Originally Posted by ~ufo~
That's a good tip, I'm looking for one, guess I'll narrow the search down to the 4 channel version then..

To paraphrase a conclusion I reached when I reviewed the TD for Recording Magazine circa 1999:

It's so much fun you'll definitely want 4 channels.

I use it during mixdown almost exclusively, and I've never tried a compressor in series with it, either pre or post. Rather, as another poster mentioned, I've done parallel stuff where a signal gets multed to the TD & a compressor & then it all gets mixed in the console. Killer combo for drums, & bass guitar.
Old 22nd June 2005
  #225
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SPL Transient Designer

does anyone know where there are some audio samples for say drums treated with and without the TD?

ive been meaning to have a listen to one for ages but could never find anythig online.

anyone?
Old 22nd June 2005
  #227
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that, i did not see.


Old 22nd June 2005
  #228
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I have heard the gear in question here...While used on the insert of a bass DI, oh my!!!!

The SPL TD is for REAL, not FADE AWAY!!!
Old 22nd June 2005
  #229
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It basically gives you more or less "snap" or "whoosshh" on drums. Attack or sustain, simply. I'm totally addicted to mine, it's fast, easy and easy to overdo heh

Go get one !
Old 22nd June 2005
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Listen to "Back In Black" in the MP3 section of this forum! thumbsup
Old 23rd June 2005
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Personally, I hate the sound of the attack on my TD4 and almost never add any - especially without padding the input first. The sustain control - very useful.

ymmv
Old 23rd June 2005
  #232
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Originally Posted by juniorhifikit
Personally, I hate the sound of the attack on my TD4 and almost never add any - especially without padding the input first. The sustain control - very useful.

ymmv
I know mine does... though adding attack is tricky, I have found it best done in a parallel processing event with the sum of the parts blended to create the whole of the sound... you can end up with some wonderfully organically grown unnatural sounds playing around like that... or at least I have... like you say, YMMV
Old 23rd June 2005
  #233
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Like nearly everything else, it's really easy to overdo. A little TD4 goes a long way...
Old 19th April 2006
  #234
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SPL Transient Designer - worth it..?

hi slutz,

I was wondering if some of you know the spl transient designer.

I once had the chance to test it, I even could compare it to a distressor.
Tested with a Kick drum (electronic), it made some great things - adds lots of punch and bing the kick very up to front (which was not possible in that way with the distressor - well I guess these units work in diffrent ways, I don't really want to compare those two, I just had the chance to let the signal run through both units).

my questions: what are the experiences of pro audio ingeneers with the spl td?

thanks for any feedback,

gitarrero
Old 19th April 2006
  #235
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If you mix for a living you will never want to be without one...This box has saved me many times from overcompressed drums and over saturated tape signals. It's so quick and intuitive when mixing and sounds amazing on kicks and snrs.
-brian
Old 19th April 2006
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....Worth every penny! I just wish everything worked as well!
Old 19th April 2006
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Old 19th April 2006
  #238
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There is nothing to even think about...get one!
Old 19th April 2006
  #239
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Has anyone compared any of the transient shaping plug-ins to a hardware box like the SPL? - I guess that might be the only hardware box there is...??? I tried the sony plug-in and honestly, it didn't seem to do much.

j
Old 19th April 2006
  #240
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I like mine It too bad they don't have a balanced 2 channel but hey...the 4 rocks
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