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SPL Transient Designer Dynamics Plugins
Old 23rd July 2004
  #151
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Apparently (and I say this as this came from an SPL SALES person) SPL didn't liscence the plug for any other formats other than the creamware card as they weren't happy with the sound. Never a/b'd them to verify that.

The hardware's hard to find as the distributer has a hard time getting in enough to cover demand (or he's just not buying enough).
Old 23rd July 2004
  #152
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Not sure why a company would release even one product they weren't happy with. Nevertheless the users are very happy with the SPL for CreamWare.

Incidentally were you referring to SPL hardware being hard to find? (CreamWare doesn't deal with distributors.)

Johann
Old 23rd July 2004
  #153
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jules
redroom - "Jules how do you rate the Sony against the SPL?"

The sony rocks - so does the SPL

The hardware SPL has a cool hardware groove

The Sony has a cool software groove

Sorry if this is frustrating news!

I downloaded the Sony transient modulator for TC Powercore and love it on kick and snare. If you have a platform to run it, download it. I plan on buying it before the oxford eq (I already have the UA Cambridge though).

FWIW I don't have the SPL.
Old 24th July 2004
  #154
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the sony's a bit more tweakable than the spl, but as Jules said, they seen to be good for different apps!
Old 24th July 2004
  #155
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I have TD on the Creamware card as well as 2 hardware units. They do not sound very similar at all, although are supposed to do the same thing. The soft version is somewhat harsh and 2D in sound and does not give the fat punch of the hardware

Yuri
Old 25th July 2004
  #156
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Yuri I'm not sure that's a fair comparison.

Plugins never sound the same as outboard. Generally it's because they're based purely on digital math, not on crappy op amps and/or cheap transformers. Cheap crap components are exactly what give outboard gear their "fat warm" sounds.

Of course I can't speak for you, but what a lot of people call "harsh" I often consider to be transparency. If you can't hear a plugin until you've slammed it to obscene settings, that's a good thing IMHO.

But to each his own. A lot of people love the CreamWare reverbs. I think they suck!

Cheers,

Johann
(Still a CreamWare fan )
Old 25th July 2004
  #157
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Johann

just commenting on the differences in sound. When I say harsh I mean some sort of metallic overtones and grainy pearcing, unnatural sound, this has nothing to do with transparency. Slamming hardware or software will bring out artifacts, however in hardware they manifest themself much more pleasantly.
You should compare the two versions side-by-side, you will hear what I mean. As for the cheap components...well, its those nonlinearities and distortion which make the sound much more organic, palatable and 3D. Something most software is yet to achieve (but I'm sure will eventually)

Yuri

P.S. I agree most Creamware effects (including reverbs) suck, however the synths are the best soft synth out there
Old 25th July 2004
  #158
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I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for "fat" sounding plugins. heh

As for CreamWare plugs, we'll have to diagree on everything but the overrated verbs. I don't give a dfegad about synthesizers. But the EQs and dynamics are lovely. Just my $0.02. We obviously disagree on that one!

I'd certainly love to try the SPL outboard one of these days. Wouldn't mind trying the Sony plugin, either, for that matter.

Cheers,

Johann
Old 25th July 2004
  #159
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jules
redroom - "Jules how do you rate the Sony against the SPL?"

The sony rocks - so does the SPL

The hardware SPL has a cool hardware groove

The Sony has a cool software groove

Sorry if this is frustrating news!

I asked this a while ago and got something like "i don't see myself having time to do a shootout any time soon".Come on man stick your neck out a little....lol!!!Groove??How safe it that?Your post is not frustrating news it's No news...lol.
Sorry but you're one of the only people I've heard of that has both units,would love a bit of description of the strengths and weaknesses of each.
Cheers,
Chris
Old 29th July 2004
  #160
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All Hail the Transient Designer

The TD4 showed up today (thanks Mercenary staff) and I've had it up most of the day.

What this thing can do for your drums is great. Used one at Wire World and that pretty much sold me on it.

Now after using it here, I can't imagine it not being patched in at all times.

Pulled some more attack out of kicks and snares and shortening up on the sustain helped eliminate hi-hat bleed.

Most importantly, and probably what has me the most excited, only two knobs per channel. Just reach over and twist till it sounds good.

I just love tools that make my life easier.

Ciao.

--Giovanni
Old 29th July 2004
  #161
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yeah, i twisted the knobs at AES and thought it was cool and useful.

How is the signal to noise ratio? Any weird subtle artifacts to the sound besides the intended effecting? Any low level hum or loss of headroom?

I liked the "overall" a lot at AES, but the circumstances were prohibitive to getting down to the nitpicks there.
Old 29th July 2004
  #162
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Old 30th July 2004
  #163
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Quote:
Originally posted by genericperson
How is the signal to noise ratio? Any weird subtle artifacts to the sound besides the intended effecting? Any low level hum or loss of headroom?
I haven't noticed any artifacts. Then again, I've been using it on a mult and mixing it in - so I haven't stopped to listen to it in a critical frame of mind.

Sounds good in the mix though.

--Gio
Old 30th July 2004
  #164
I dont mean to sound (even more) like a pompous ass (than usual) but.. The TD needs to be used CAREFULLY!.... there is plenty of scope to mess up with this unit..!!



Old 30th July 2004
  #165
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Jules is right. I had a TD but sold it. I get a better drum sound with traditional compressors etc.
Old 30th July 2004
  #166
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I was wondering, how does the unit sound on fills and rolls. With some compressors, they compress " naturally" in transition. Im curious as how you work with the spl on those parts.
Old 30th July 2004
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jules
I dont mean to sound (even more) like a pompous ass (than usual) but.. The TD needs to be used CAREFULLY!.... there is plenty of scope to mess up with this unit..!!



The same could be said for all SPL units. They should come with a warning label.
Old 30th July 2004
  #168
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jules
The TD needs to be used CAREFULLY!.... there is plenty of scope to mess up with this unit..!!


I'd agree with that. Probably 90% of what could be dialed in just sounds wrong, ugly. But that other 10% can help save or improve a sound in a large way.

Definitely not a replacement for proper mic selection and placement.

It is like the IBP - just a tool to squeeze out those last little bits to make it all sound better.

I am just excited that it is so easy to use and what it does it does well. I'm sure soon enough it'll just be another patched in piece of gear I take for granted in the rack.

---Giovanni
Old 30th July 2004
  #169
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Originally posted by HardRockBottom
I was wondering, how does the unit sound on fills and rolls. With some compressors, they compress " naturally" in transition. Im curious as how you work with the spl on those parts.
Same here.....
Old 30th July 2004
  #170
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Quote:
Originally posted by entropy
The same could be said for all SPL units. They should come with a warning label.
That's what's so fun about them though! Their stuff is wild. I have 3 SPL boxes. A TD, a Vitalizer, and a de-esser. They can screw your stuff up bigtime if your not careful. But sometimes they're just perfect for the task at hand.
Old 30th July 2004
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Quote:
Originally posted by HardRockBottom
I was wondering, how does the unit sound on fills and rolls. With some compressors, they compress " naturally" in transition. Im curious as how you work with the spl on those parts.
I have found the TD-4 to work brilliantly on fills and rolls, none of that "rat-tat-tat-tat-tat" thing you associate with firing samples. I have also found that some of the more radical effects you can do with the TD-4 work amazingly well as a parallel event as oppossed to putting the thing across the sound.

I have been using it not only on drums, but on bass, guitar, and even occassionally as a parallel event on vocals. There are 8 channels of the Transient Designer in my rack, and sometimes I don't think it's enough... YMMV
Old 30th July 2004
  #172
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.... I have also found that some of the more radical effects you can do with the TD-4 work amazingly well as a parallel event as oppossed to putting the thing across the sound .....

There are 8 channels of the Transient Designer in my rack, and sometimes I don't think it's enough... YMMV
This worries me. I've been wanting to jump in and buy one of these but I have a feeling that if I only have a few channels that it may be difficult to get the mix to work right.

For instance, if the T.D. is used on the kick and you dial in a quick "punchy" sound, the rest of your sounds are going to be soft in comparison. I suppose that the T.D could be used on a buss with more than one instrument multed to it, but I have a feeling that that will be a big compromise.

Anyone getting by with just two or four channels of T.D.?

The more I think about this, the more I believe that the T.D. is necessary to get the Modern Rock and Nu Metal sounds that are driving the kids crazy these days.
Old 30th July 2004
  #173
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hey did you guys have to get special cables made up to get your spl td hooked up? could you describe YOUR set up? i'm trying to figure out if i need special cables for my set up... i run an outboard soundcraft ghost board for my mixing and where i would normally insert a compressor, i shouldn't with the spl cuz that would unbalance it right? any tips for me? much appreciated, thanks.
Old 31st July 2004
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Quote:
Originally posted by mardyk
That's what's so fun about them though! Their stuff is wild. I have 3 SPL boxes. A TD, a Vitalizer, and a de-esser. They can screw your stuff up bigtime if your not careful. But sometimes they're just perfect for the task at hand.
I've owned a few of them in my time, the only one I've kept is a Charisma. The TD is great, one the the best pieces. But there are some dogs there as well. The tube vitaliser....uuurrrgghhhh! Or how about (can't remember the exact name), the Tapehead (just like tape except, not). Their channel strip (IMO) blew chunks! How about "the Qure" (ooooohhhh, I sold one to a mate, I will burn in hell for that!)?

Actually, for me there is only 3 to use, the TD, the charisma (c'mon, I can handle the abuse) and the de-esser (no dbx but hey, it'll do at a pinch).
Old 31st July 2004
  #175
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Sorry if I'm going off-topic here, but i like my SPL Vitalizer.
When I've compared it to an Aphex exciter it's sounded smoother almost evrytime.
I like the surround processing in it as well.
Have you compared this (Classic) unit with the Tube Vitalizer?
Old 14th January 2005
  #176
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Transient Designer, anyone ?

I am not sure that this is the correct forum, but I am sure that if it is not, someone will place it where it should be.

I have a bass guitar track I received in a session, and it has no dynamics. Yet I know the player, and he is great. I'd like to keep his performance, but get the dynamics back. If anyone here has a Transient Designer and the time, I would like to have this track run through the TD.

Email me with what you would charge, please. Thanks.

Craig Woolard
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Old 14th January 2005
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not sure a TD will do what you need here. It works on the attack and sustain of each "event" and IMO wouldn't really add dynamics to an entire performance. Might make it sound better nonetheless. Expansion or reamping might be worth looking into.
Old 14th January 2005
  #178
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I don't think the TD will help. I used it once on bass, but to cut the attack to make it more contrabass like.
Old 15th January 2005
  #179
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If you're working with a VST compatible host, there is a free plug from digitalfishphones called dominion that performs similarly.

- jon
Old 15th January 2005
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Re: Transient Designer, anyone ?

Quote:
Originally posted by caryguy
I am not sure that this is the correct forum, but I am sure that if it is not, someone will place it where it should be.

I have a bass guitar track I received in a session, and it has no dynamics. Yet I know the player, and he is great. I'd like to keep his performance, but get the dynamics back. If anyone here has a Transient Designer and the time, I would like to have this track run through the TD.

Email me with what you would charge, please. Thanks.

Craig Woolard
[email protected](remove this)nc.rr.com

Why are the dynamics missing?
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